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    Arrow Euro-Mill Registry

    This thread is for members to post which Deckel and similar Euro-style machine(s) they have and which major acc's they own.
    This will be useful for other members to learn who here has similar machines, and to get an idea of what is out there.


    Items you may want to include:

    Brand of machine (Deckel, Alexander, Aciera, etc.)
    Series of machine: (FP,F, etc)
    Size of machine: (1-2-3-4...etc.)
    Style of machine: (lever, two dial, single dial)
    Year of machine: (or close guess)
    Serial number of machine: (optional)
    Measuring standard: (imperial-metric)
    Taper: (MT4-ISO40-NMTB40-NC Stud)
    Control model for NC's: (Dialog 1-11, Contour...etc.)
    Input voltage: (220, 440 or 220-380, 440-380...etc.)
    Cabinet style: (no cabinet-ext cabinet)
    Color of machine: (grey, green, repaint)
    Condition of machine: (beat-fair-good-great-refurbished-new)
    Major acc's: (U'table-indexer-HS head-DRO...etc)
    Primary use: (hobbiest-molds-prototyping-production...etc.)
    City, Country: (Deckelville, Deckelland)
    Comments: (What the group might find interesting)

    If you like, you could simply cut/paste my list and fill in the blanks. A single (smaller) photo (per machine) would be nice but is optional.

    Please refrain from open discussion in this thread.

    Thanks
    Sean

    [ 07-10-2005, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: Sean S ]

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    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 1
    Style of machine: lever
    Year of machine: approx. 1963
    Serial number of machine: 36661
    Measuring standard: imperial .100" per rev
    Taper: MT4
    Input voltage: 220V 3 phase by Teco VFD
    Cabinet style: disconnected sitting in corner
    Color of machine: grey, badly in need of a repaint
    Condition of machine: mechanically great, visually a bit sad....
    Major acc's: horizontal overam, vert head, rigid table
    Primary use: hobbiest-prototyping
    City, Country: Carefree, AZ (Phoenix area)
    Comments: ????

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    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 1
    Style of machine: 2 Dial
    Year of machine: approx. 1970
    Serial number of machine: 53059/08
    Measuring standard: Metric
    Taper: SK40
    Input voltage: 220/380V 3 phase
    Cabinet style: External
    Color of machine: Originally grey,
    Condition of machine: undergoing a full rebuild
    Major acc's:
    Horizontal overam
    Vertical head
    Slotting head
    Fine boring head
    High-speed-head
    Rigid table
    Tilting table
    Dividing head (complete)
    Rotary table
    Spiral milling table (complete)
    Centricator CIII (complete)
    Wholhaupter UPA3 (complete)
    Punch milling kit (incomplete)
    4" vice
    2 jaw vice
    Cabinet (old style two door)
    Collets, arbours, clamps etc (95% complete)
    Primary use: hobby, prototyping
    City, Country: UK
    Comments: Most accesories have been stripped, re-sprayed and rebuilt, also they have been drawn in 3D CAD to facilitate my next model project, a 1/3rd scale FP1 and accsesories

    My machine before shipping to England


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    Series of machine: FP/FP-NC
    Size of machine: 1FP1, 2-FP2's 1-FP3 1-FP2NC, 1-FP4NC
    Style of machine: change gear feed (FP1) 2-crank dial (FP2's) 1 dial change (FP3) Servo shift (both FP-NC's)
    Year of machine: From 1945-1983
    Serial number of machine: (optional)
    Measuring standard: All manual machines imperial
    Taper: 1-#4Morse (FP1) 3 Deckel #40, 2 NC 40 w/pull studd (CAT 40)
    Control model for NC's: Dialog2 Dialog4
    Input voltage: 220, & 380
    Cabinet style: ext cabinets
    Color of machine: (grey,& green
    Condition of machine: Very goood, 1 FP2 in need of rebuild.
    Major acc's: Universal tool makers table (FP4NC) plain table (FP4NC) univeral tables, riser, shaping head, high speed head, rotary table, centering microscope, 4 wolhaupter boring heads 3UPA-3's 1UPA-5. Capto boring system for FP4NC. Overarms, complete dividing head, Deckel vise, Long reach Vertical head (FP2) Heidenhain DRO's on FP2, & FP3.
    Complete set collets (deckel) and CAT40 for FP4NC. Alignment arbor, horizontal milling arbors 1" and 1.250". Precision boring head.
    Primary use: (hobbiest and prototyping
    City, Country: (Benicia & Corte Madera California, USA)

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    Series of machine: FP-NC
    Size of machine: 3
    Style of machine: NC
    Year of machine: 1987/1986
    Serial number of machine: 2803-2989
    Measuring standard: imperial and metric
    Taper: 40 taper (Cat40)
    Control model: Dialog 4
    Input voltage: 240/3p, machine 380/3p
    Cabinet style: "Tall" ext cabinet
    Color of machine: Deckel GREEN
    Condition of machine: Great
    Major acc's:Two speed vertical head(S1/S2). Standard table for now.
    Primary use: Production / MR on the farm
    City, Country: Toppenish, WA
    Comments: Use a phase converter. Control has ancient software. I'll add more as I aquire more! Yes, I was a "MR" in the NAVY.

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    Okay, Okay....here's my story;

    FP1
    lever type, no electrical cabinet so probably 1960ish
    Got a articulated table, shaper head,indexer and a broken/repaired verticle head, horiz. overarm and Deckel vise. all MT4 but I made an adaptor for r-8 and I got a Wally for it.
    It's not pretty, but does remarkable work here in Dallas were I make stuff for science with it. I think it's the only one in town and maybe Texas.

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    Previous owned Deckels: FP4NC, FP3NC, FP2, GK12, NEF 520


    Current Machines;
    Series of machine: 1 DMU 80T, 1 DMU 50 T, 1 CTX 410(lathe)
    Size of machine: x35,y25,z25; x19,y15,z15; x10,z25
    Style of machine: All CNC
    Year of machine: 2004,1998,2005
    Measuring standard: inch/metric
    Taper: Cat40, Cat40, VDI
    Control model for NC's: Heidenhain 530I, Millplus, Heidenhain Din Plus.
    Input voltage: 208 to 400 v step up transformer
    Color of machine: grey-white-ss, green-white, white-grey-green.
    Major acc's: Heidenhain Infrared Probe on 80T
    Primary use: prototyping-production
    City, Country: Atascadero, CA, USA

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    Brand of machine: Deckel
    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 4NC-TC
    Style of machine: CNC toolroom/VMC hybrid
    Year of machine: 1986?
    Serial number of machine: (optional)
    Measuring standard: imperial/metric
    Taper:NC Stud
    Control model for NC's: Dialog 3
    Input voltage: 380v via 220v transformer
    Cabinet style: Short NC cabinet
    Color of machine: green
    Condition of machine: Near New
    Major acc's: Shared (see below)
    Primary use: Holds my floor down
    City, Country: Coos Bay, Oregon
    Comments: This machine is rare in the USA due to its 20 position tool changer.


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    Brand of machine: Deckel
    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 3NC
    Style of machine: CNC toolroom
    Year of machine: '80's
    Serial number of machine: ?
    Measuring standard: imperial-metric
    Taper: NC Stud
    Control model for NC's: Contour 3 w/Siemens Sinumerik
    Input voltage: 380v via 220v transformer
    Cabinet style: Tall NC cabinet
    Color of machine: green
    Condition of machine: Iron good, control needs reprogramming
    Major acc's: Universal toolmaker's rotary table w/Heidenhain
    Primary use: fills space between FP3 and FP4NCTC
    City, Country: Oregon
    Comments: I bought this machine primarily for the universal table with hopes to retrofit the control. Although the control worked, I messed with it and dumped the parameters and have been hoping if I don't reprogram it, it will motivate me to do a conversion.

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    Brand of machine: Deckel
    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 3
    Style of machine: single dial
    Year of machine: '80's
    Serial number of machine: ?
    Measuring standard: imperial screws/metric via Heidenhain VRZ DRO
    Taper: Factory NMTB40
    Control model for NC's: N/A
    Input voltage: 440v
    Cabinet style: standard ext cabinet
    Color of machine: green
    Condition of machine: likely refurbished
    Major acc's:Shared (see below)
    Primary use: (hobbiest-prototyping
    City, Country: Oregon
    Comments: This is the machine I use the most. The condition is on par with the best reconditioned Deckels to be found in Europe. Tolerances and runouts on this machine are as good as it gets. Although I don't know for sure that it was refurbished, the condition would indicate so.

    Shared Acc's:
    Horizontal overarms in 2 styles for all
    Vertical heads for all
    2X Universal Toolmaker's tables w/Heidenhain (FP3/4)
    1X Universal table (FP3)
    1X rigid table (FP3)
    1X fixturing table (FP3)
    1X Universal Toolmaker's table (FP1)
    2X Univeral table (FP-1)
    1X rigid table (FP-1)
    1X Jig grinding table
    1X 500mm rotary table (all)
    1X 300mm? indexing table
    1X Optical rotary table
    1X Jig boring head
    1X jig grinding head
    1X high speed head (FP3/3NC/4NC)
    1X high speed head (FP-1)
    1X slotting head (FP-3/4)
    1X slotting head (FP-1)
    1X corner milling attachment (all)
    1X right angle head (FP-3/4)
    1X right angle quill attachment (all)
    2X Centricator III
    1X Centricator I
    3X Hensoldt centering scopes
    1X Centering scribe
    1X Deckel electronic center finder
    1X Fine drilling attachment
    2X high speed grinding heads + inverter
    1X Wohlhaupter size 1 modular boring set
    1X Wohlhaupter size 2 modular boring set
    1X Wohlhaupter size 3 modular boring set
    1X Wohlhaupter Universal modular boring set
    2X Wohlhaupter UPA5
    4X Wohlhaupter UPA3
    2X Wohlhaupter UPA2
    1X Planetor orbital grinding head (for Deckel)
    1X Precise orbital grinding head (for Deckel)
    2X D'andrea boring/facing heads (adapted)
    2X Indexer (2, 3, 4, 6 jaw chucks, dogs, tailstock faceplates...all complete)
    1X '80's Spiral milling attachment
    3X punch milling attachments
    1X Jena Optik protracting level (for Deckel)
    2X Vise
    1X FP-1 riser
    1X FP-2/3/4 riser
    4X old style (not appropriate but better) cabinets
    Minor acc's (which is alot) or items stocked for sale not listed.



    Sean

    [ 08-23-2005, 01:43 AM: Message edited by: Sean S ]

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    I've got two machines, pretty the same.

    Brand of machine : Maho
    Series of machine: SK250
    Year of machine: unknown (between '50 an '70)
    Serial number of machine: 1553 (the other 1388)
    Measuring standard: metric
    Taper: MT4
    Input voltage: 3 phase, 380 v
    Cabinet style: no cabinet
    Color of machine: orig.colour grey, repainted green
    Condition of machine: very beat up
    Major acc's: Universaltable, shaperhead, coolantpump
    Primary use: hobbiest
    City, Country: Twente, Netherlands
    Comments: All motorgroups have their rat-bike member, I guess I'm the rat-mill member here.
    Have a closer look at www.rijtuigen.net/hobby/metaalwerk/index.htm

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    Brand of Machine: Deckel

    Series of machine: FP

    Size of machine: 2

    Style of machine: two double dials (older type) with x=500mm

    Year of machine: December 1966

    Serial number of machine: 2200-5084

    Measuring standard: Metric (metric/Inch on the TopTen DRO)

    Taper: SK40 S20x2

    Input voltage: 3 phase 380V

    Cabinet style: Ext. cabinet, original green

    Color of machine: Original green (in Decklisch: Erstlack)

    Condition of machine: Good, I think (but right now bonked-see story elsewhere)

    Major acc's:
    Long reach vertical head with bearing for hor. milling(Serial#5084 both)(0.08 nach links)
    Slotting head(Serial#5084)
    Fine Boring head and Riser block (Serial# 4504 both)
    High Speed head, newer type with spindle lock and for hex key
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    Index head SK40 (also original with machine) with:
    3 division plates
    supplementary dividing accs.
    300 mm face plate
    Deckel centering vise (called 2 jaw chuck)
    overarm and tailstock with center
    tailstock for mounting on table
    84 mm 3 jaw chuck on SK40 arbor
    SK40 Center with driver
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    2 x 380 mm round tables with div. plates and suppl. dividing acss.(on their way from Germany)
    Large fixed table
    Swivelling table
    TopTen 3 axis DRO arriving shortly (China made, but I couldn't afford Heidenhain)

    Other accs.:
    Wohlhaupter UPA3, new
    Centricator CIII (ISO40 arbor) with 1 gauge(standard). Like new
    Diacator centering device
    Henninger 801 high speed (12000 RPM) "speeder" with SK40S20x2 arbor (with collets)
    Kelch Weldon holders 6, 8, 10, 12, 16, 20 and 25 mm, new
    Clarkson microadjustable S-type collet chuck, set of metric collets
    Clarkson standard S-type collet chuck, more metric collets
    Full set 0.5 to 17.5 mm Deckel 20mm standard collets with adapter(s)
    SK40 direct collets 5 to 32 mm (almost all sizes, but not nice in taper)
    Standard arbors 16, 22, 27, 32 and 40mm.
    Long arbors 22 and 32 mm.
    Albrecht chucks(0-10 + 1-13NC), with B16-SK40 Kelch arbors, all new


    Primary use: Pure hobby, R/C model aircraft, maybe custom parts for my BMW R80 G/S

    City, Country: Neksø on the Island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea, Denmark, Scandinavia, Europe

    Comments: I got the original test papers for the FP2 itself, the vert. head, slotting head
    and Index head. They were tested by Deckel Dec. 1966 and together delivered to the Ford factories in Köln.


    This picture taken when I drove to Köln to pay the seller and see the machine for the first time.

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    Brand of machine: Deckel
    Series of machine: FP2
    Style of machine: Dual dial
    Year of machine: June/Aug 1979
    Serial number of machine: 8951
    Measuring standard: imperial
    Taper: 40
    Input voltage: 220v
    Cabinet style: External
    Color of machine: grey
    Condition of machine: Very good
    Major acc's: <<as below>>
    Primary use: Hobby
    City, Country: Sunnyvale, USA
    Comments: Effectively the second owner of the machine. It is in very good condition and currently has a Sony
    DRO mounted on it.

    Major accessories:
    Normal vertical head
    Long reach head
    Spiral milling attachment
    Corner milling attachment
    Angular milling attachment
    Shaping attachment
    Fixed (reversible) table
    Universal table
    Dividing (Index) head
    Rotary table
    Boring head
    Grinding head (w/ variable frequency drive and optional electronic feed)
    turbines for grinding head
    High speed head
    Raising unit
    Full set of 40 taper collets and S20 collets (all imperial)
    Full set of 40 taper collets (metric... they were cheap! )


    Dividing head /rotary table hand-wheel
    Centricator III
    Grinding head attachments
    Wohlhaupter UPA3 (40 taper)
    Faceplate
    3-jaw chuck
    jaws for a 4-jaw chuck (no chuck)
    Independent tailstock for index head
    3X Hensoldt centering scopes
    Large Deckel cabinet
    Small Deckel cabinet
    S20 to 40 adapter
    MT4 to 40 adapter

    A bunch of other stuff I have forgotten about!

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    Band Deckel
    Series FP1
    Style Lever
    Age 1930's
    Serial No 8811
    Standard Imperial
    Taper MT4
    Voltage 440
    Colour Grey
    Condition very good

    Accessories
    Fixed table
    Universal table Non Deckel with cross feed
    Dividing Head
    Slotting Head
    Imperial collets
    Face plate
    Standard vertical head

    Main uses are for clocks, gun smithing car components for restoration and building specials, sub contract machining, jigs and fixtures and anything else that I fancy.
    located in Rugeley UK

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    I might add that this machine is probably the oldest FP1 still doing precision work, It is one of those machines imported by Alexander before WW2 and carries both Deckel and Alexander plates.

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    Brand of machine Aciera
    Series of machine:F
    Size of machine: 3
    Style of machine: two dial
    Year of machine: 1970
    Measuring standard: metric
    Taper: W 20 collets
    Input voltage: 380 V
    Color of machine: repaint
    Condition of machine: fair
    Primary use: (hobbiest
    City, Country: Italy

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    I have a Deckel FP1 No. R 8740 I believe it had been reconditioned in the past. Vertical and Horizontal tapers are 40 deg. it is in vgc.
    The only fault I can find is excesive backlash is in the x table screw which I have not tried to rectify as I do not know how to diasemble

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    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 1
    Style of machine: 2 Dial
    Year of machine: approx. 1973
    Serial number of machine:
    Measuring standard: Metric
    Taper: SK40
    Input voltage: 220/380V 3 phase
    Cabinet style: External
    Color of machine: Original grey,
    Condition of machine: Good
    Major acc's:
    Horizontal overam
    Vertical head
    Slotting head
    Fine boring head
    Riser Block
    Rigid table

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    I HAVE A 1970ISH VINTAGE FP4 WITH 22 IN ROTARY TABLE. I ALSO HAVE THE FIXED TABLE FOR IT. I SHOULD HAVE IT POWERED UP THIS WEEK.
    THE MACHINE IS AN INCH MACHINE
    40 TAPER
    COLOR GREY, LOOKS ORIGINAL
    240 VOLT 3 PHASE
    PLANNING ON RUNNING ON A PHASE PERFECT 20 HP PHASE CONVERTER.
    GOING TO ORDER SOME KLUBER 18 SPINDLE GREASE MONDAY.

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    Wanted: Wohlhaupter Universal Boring & Facing Head Model UPA5

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    I do not own this machine yet but am considering buying it if I can find enough tooling for it. It islocal to me and I have seen this machine; it is in good running order though missing some tooling and a few minor parts.

    Brand of machine: Deckel
    Series of machine: FP
    Size of machine: 1
    Style of machine: lever
    Year of machine: 1950's
    Serial number of machine: 32347
    Measuring standard: imperial
    Taper: MT4
    Control model for NC's:
    Input voltage: 220
    Cabinet style: ext cabinet
    Color of machine: green
    Condition of machine: good
    Major acc's:
    Primary use: hobbyist, prototyping, production, repair
    City, Country: Chapel Hill, N.C., U.S.A., 27516
    Comments: lovely machine with many years of life left - tight & works smoothly - is missing a
    horizontal arbor; need more collets for vertical head and end mill holders & stub arbors for horizontal use :: Lawrence : [email protected]

    [ 02-08-2006, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: lflj ]

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    Brand of machine Deckel
    Series of machine: FP3
    Style of machine:
    Year of machine: 1969
    Serial number of machine: 0669
    Measuring standard: inch
    Taper: 40
    Input voltage: 240 3ph
    Cabinet style: My own custom. I used the Deckel breaker. As beautiful as their electrics are, I just didn't need another refrigerator sized object in my shop.
    Color of machine: Several.
    Condition of machine: good-great (Honestly don't know. But it appears to be very good.)
    Major acc's: U'table, Hoffman rotary, horizontal overarm bearing, test bar (actually came with machine!), vertical milling head, Heidenhein dro.
    Primary use: hobbiest-prototyping
    City, Country: Coquille, Oregon, USA
    Comments: Needs a new universal table swivel body casting. Someone broke the hinge ears on this one.


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