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Diamond
- Joined
- Sep 25, 2011
- Location
- Garbsen, Germany
Dear Deckel fans,
Yesterday a friend came by to see my 1965 FP2; he has an even older FP1 in his basement and was curious to see what I have been working on in my spare time.
At some point, he asked if I had gotten a milling vise. I said yes, but it was mechanical and I wanted to get a hydraulic vise. But the truth is that when I got everything home, the vise went into a dark corner on the floor of the workshop and has been sitting there since, covered with grime. Anyway, he had a look at it and said, "No this IS a hydraulic vise, I think it's a Röhm, I used to use one just like it".
So we pulled it out and cleaned it up a bit. Indeed it is hydraulic, we put more fluid into it, pushed the piston out with compressed air, shook out the bubbles and air, put in more fluid, and (to my suprise!) it worked well! Here it is:
I think it might be the same as the one in the first picture in this post which I think is also the one in the front in this picture. Both of these are posts from Milacron.
It also looks exactly like the vise in these photos from a 1960s Deckel brochure, posted by TNB.
There was one bit of adjustment that we were not able to get working, and I wanted to ask the group about it. At the end of the "screw" you can see the three red rings; these disappear when the pneumatics get pressurized:
At the end of this shaft is a knurled knob with can be turned back and forth. This switches the action from hydraulic (when it is "pushed in") to mechanical (when it is "pulled out"). The plunger controls a transverse locking pin, which locks the central shaft to the screw.
In my case, this knurled knob assembly can't be completely screwed in place, there is a central "pushrod" inside the shaft which won't go farther in.
If you look inside the shaft at this pushrod, there is a slotted adjusting nut (which I have not yet made a suitable tool to adjust, since the shaft projects from it; I need to grind a notch in the middle of a broad screwdriver.). It's sort of visible in this not-very-good photo (you can see the notch at the top of the inner nut).
Since the vise seems to be in pretty good condition, I am guessing that this simply needs to be properly adjusted. Could someone tell me how this adjustment should be set? Is there anything else I need to be aware of with the vise? I have read that spare parts (presumably the piston seals) might still be available. Is there a reasonable parts source in Europe? Can someone identify the model of the vise? Is there an instruction manual or parts list or exploded diagram available? The vise has no identifying marks, other than the numbers "103" and "6203" stamped onto the back of the rails. I suspect it has the same vintage as the mill (1965).
Cheers,
Bruce
Yesterday a friend came by to see my 1965 FP2; he has an even older FP1 in his basement and was curious to see what I have been working on in my spare time.
At some point, he asked if I had gotten a milling vise. I said yes, but it was mechanical and I wanted to get a hydraulic vise. But the truth is that when I got everything home, the vise went into a dark corner on the floor of the workshop and has been sitting there since, covered with grime. Anyway, he had a look at it and said, "No this IS a hydraulic vise, I think it's a Röhm, I used to use one just like it".
So we pulled it out and cleaned it up a bit. Indeed it is hydraulic, we put more fluid into it, pushed the piston out with compressed air, shook out the bubbles and air, put in more fluid, and (to my suprise!) it worked well! Here it is:
I think it might be the same as the one in the first picture in this post which I think is also the one in the front in this picture. Both of these are posts from Milacron.
It also looks exactly like the vise in these photos from a 1960s Deckel brochure, posted by TNB.
There was one bit of adjustment that we were not able to get working, and I wanted to ask the group about it. At the end of the "screw" you can see the three red rings; these disappear when the pneumatics get pressurized:
At the end of this shaft is a knurled knob with can be turned back and forth. This switches the action from hydraulic (when it is "pushed in") to mechanical (when it is "pulled out"). The plunger controls a transverse locking pin, which locks the central shaft to the screw.
In my case, this knurled knob assembly can't be completely screwed in place, there is a central "pushrod" inside the shaft which won't go farther in.
If you look inside the shaft at this pushrod, there is a slotted adjusting nut (which I have not yet made a suitable tool to adjust, since the shaft projects from it; I need to grind a notch in the middle of a broad screwdriver.). It's sort of visible in this not-very-good photo (you can see the notch at the top of the inner nut).
Since the vise seems to be in pretty good condition, I am guessing that this simply needs to be properly adjusted. Could someone tell me how this adjustment should be set? Is there anything else I need to be aware of with the vise? I have read that spare parts (presumably the piston seals) might still be available. Is there a reasonable parts source in Europe? Can someone identify the model of the vise? Is there an instruction manual or parts list or exploded diagram available? The vise has no identifying marks, other than the numbers "103" and "6203" stamped onto the back of the rails. I suspect it has the same vintage as the mill (1965).
Cheers,
Bruce