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    Default Introducing Aciera F4 sn 25588

    Here are some pictures of the Aciera I have been asking questions about lately.
    I recieved it as a basket(s) of parts and have now reassembled it. I cannot run it yet as some repairs need to be done.
    My plan is to work away at some of the small repairs, then disassemble it and do a complete overhaul, when I get my current project finished.

    Peter
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    How did it become a basket of parts in the first place ? A rebuild project where previous owner lost interest ?

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    I do not yet know the full history, but...
    A local plant (now gone to Mexico) had an F4 in the maintenance shop, where it was used by everyone. Plant closed and machine moved on.
    Was acquired by a local enthusiast who broke down the machine to "fix it up".
    I suspect the enthusiasm dwindled when the damage became apparant.
    The machine was traded to a friend who traded it to me.
    It is apparent that the machine has been either tipped over or dropped.
    The vertical handwheel is in 6 pieces, the levers for the rapids are bent/broken, the rh crossfeed handle is bent. And the cover for the power feed transmission is also bent and cracked.
    As can be seen by the pictures, the cross-slide ways are badly scored. This is the result of lubing the oil nipples with grease (manual says do not use grease) this also caused excessive wear on the cross feed screw and nut.

    So... I'm still trying to decide if it is worth rebuilding or if I should sell it for parts.

    Peter

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    Betting that Rich (rklopp) would have some valid perspective on the matter of "to rebuild or not"...
    He has some seat time with these machines and likely could give some good advice on which way you might go...

    From where i sit seems the slide issues could be dealt with...time and patience. Looks like a good platform to perfect your scraping....
    Cheers Ross

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    I would come down on the side of parting the machine out, but that is based on my own circumstances where I don't have space or time to fix damage that bad. The slideway damage would require machining and application of Turcite lining. Do you have a big enough mill to do that machining? What is the nature of the bending and breakage of the feed transmission cover? The machine must have experienced a severe face-plant, because the feed transmission is tucked away deep inside the base and the only real protrusions are the two arms that support the rapid-traverse pedal.

    Note that the market for parts may be pretty shallow in North America for an F4 that old. Only you can decide how much skill, time, money, and equipment you have to invest in a rebuild. Are you in it for the journey of fixing up a machine, or a journey of milling parts? If the latter, I'd move on from this machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rklopp View Post

    Note that the market for parts may be pretty shallow in North America for an F4 that old. Only you can decide how much skill, time, money, and equipment you have to invest in a rebuild. Are you in it for the journey of fixing up a machine, or a journey of milling parts? If the latter, I'd move on from this machine.
    Would make for a cool "statue" for his office Below is a statue machine I fixed up decades ago... except being so simple it actually worked...

    https://www.practicalmachinist.com/scrollsaw.jpg

    (and no, that is not me pretending to operate it... I took the photo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rklopp View Post

    Note that the market for parts may be pretty shallow in North America for an F4 that old. Only you can decide how much skill, time, money, and equipment you have to invest in a rebuild. Are you in it for the journey of fixing up a machine, or a journey of milling parts? If the latter, I'd move on from this machine.
    That is an issue for me. I think I'd do better refurbing the mill and putting it on the market. Any thoughts on what a nicely refurbed F4, of this vintage might be worth?

    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by shapeaholic View Post
    That is an issue for me. I think I'd do better refurbing the mill and putting it on the market. Any thoughts on what a nicely refurbed F4, of this vintage might be worth?

    Peter
    It'd be worth less than the minimum nano-wage you'd earn based on the hours seemingly involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rklopp View Post
    It'd be worth less than the minimum nano-wage you'd earn based on the hours seemingly involved.
    Yep...only justifiable if it is "fun" and/or "educational" Problem there is it sometimes starts out as fun but eventually degrades into boring tedium...

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    What a great way to learn the machine and all the processes involved with the repair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ2 View Post
    What a great way to learn the machine and all the processes involved with the repair!
    So...you're hinting you want to buy it, yes ?

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    Not really, I'm about out of space, but I went through a similar learning curve with my FP-1. Just thinking about it now, any used machine in my shop had issues. The benefit to Deckel is there are parts available for repair, not so sure about his machine.

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    Id take the front door at the bottom if parted out.


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