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    Default New old machine, Deckel G1L

    Hi,

    Yesterday I took a look at a Deckel G1L pantograph and as it was in real great condition I just took it home

    It showed that the machine was used in Munich at a BMW plant and found very little use. Because of that it got sold to one of the workers, where it collected dust for about eight years, now he wanted to get rid of it.

    The paint is in very good condition, as well as the ways, which look as they have moved no more than a few times. On the end of the ways and on many other parts there was still the brown preservation wax and nothing was dinged up or hacked with a channellock..

    An thats what i got:


    Looks nice next to the Deckel G2NC:


    And thats what came with the machine:


    - Manual and part list
    - Machine card
    - Deckel engraving cutters with the conical shank (and the collet adapter for conical shanks)
    - Patternholder
    - Clamps
    - Some tools

    Also there are three boxes of letters in different styles and spare belts:


    I love those machine cards that list all of the machines key specifications:


    Only thing thats missing are collets with a straight bore, and Mr. Singer takes a fortune those, so I will make those by myself.

    And what will it be used, as I allready have a cnc milling machine? It will be used for my personal enjoyment. And maybe make a fortune engraving signs for friends
    But I also want to use its wide range of reducing which ranges from 1:1 down to 1:50 to machine very small parts for model engineering.

    Stefan

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    Wonder if this was one of the last such machines made/bought - as in by the time it was ordered it was already obsolete, which is why it was never really busy.

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    Stefan, that's a a beautiful find, congratulations! I'd enjoy seeing some photos when you make the collets. Do you use C45 and then harden and temper it? Cheers, Bruce

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    Stefan
    Very Nice looking Maschine, also enjoy seeing your neat and clean workshop.
    I'm not familiar with the G2--where do those fit in the Deckel Geschickte and model line up?
    Cheers
    Steve

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    as in by the time it was ordered it was already obsolete, which is why it was never really busy.
    I think thats correct, and I am not to mad about this

    I'd enjoy seeing some photos when you make the collets. Do you use C45 and then harden and temper it?4
    I made "emergency collets" out of etg100 steel, just turned, drilled and bored in one setup, slit on the milling machine, then parted off.



    On the left theres the original collet for the Deckel cutters with conical shank and then my shopmade collets ranging from 3mm to 6mm.

    I'm not familiar with the G2--where do those fit in the Deckel Geschickte and model line up?
    Its the heavy version of the early G1 and was introduced somewhere around 1920, mine is build 1927 - I removed the pantograph, put a sk40 highspeed head from a Fp2 on it and did a full Cnc retrofit with glas scales on it. Now its a Frankendeckel, and its a bit very homeshopish so will get burned for it

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    Still gathering accessories for the machine:

    Got another two boxes of letters:




    They seem not to be Deckel, but fit the Rails of the mastertable - seems like 32mm height of the masters is kinda standard.

    Meanwile I also got two of the original Deckel collets (4 and 6mm) for a reasonable price

    Still looking for the small swiveling rotary table and the drum engraving attachement...but both get pretty pricey, especialy the rotary table.

    Stefan

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    Useless and very nice find!
    It doesn't copy Z, right? So you can only use it for 2.5-D copying/scaling.


    Nick

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    Useless? I engraved a new sign for the doorbell of my girlfriend

    Ok, agreed, its like having a shaper (or three ) in the shop...

    It doesn't copy Z, right? So you can only use it for 2.5-D copying/scaling.
    Right, only the bigger GK and KF machines can do real 3d work, but both take up enormous space in the shop.

    Stefan

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    Useless? I engraved a new sign for the doorbell of my girlfriend

    I didn't know that you change girlfriends so frequently that it makes it worth buying an own engraver.


    Nick

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    Still gathering more accessories

    Got a spare spindle (almost new, taper runs dead on), three collets (4, 6, 8mm) and a few other bits for for a very good price - way less than Singer charges for one G1L collet.



    Stefan

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    And another one:



    (Ok, its not Deckel but made by Sempuco)

    Also looks like I got a deal on the small swiveling rotary table made by Deckel for the engraving machines..

    Stefan

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    The engraver doesnt just sit in the corner and act as a decoration, it also gets used, like that graduation:



    Height of the numbers is 2mm, with of the engraved lines is 0,15mm.

    Stefan

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    Machining sloped surfaces with a 2d Pantograph? Sure!





    Yes, every stinkin cnc can do that faster

    Its also a bit limited as it works only with straight profiles, but who knows, maybe it comes in handy one day.

    Stefan

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    ER11 replacement spindle for the G1L, just a prototype, nothing ground, just a few pieces casehardened.




    I will do a short run of five, where the housing will be hardened and ground

    Stefan

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    Default deckel g1l project.

    Hello Stefan,
    I have recently acquiered this beauty, [ATTACH=CONFIG]258961[/ATTACH
    I would like to thank you on all the information you have put on youtube and practical machinist. It really helped me out with seeing the potential of this machine. If you have any tips for me on what to do, and where I might be able to get some accessories that would be much appreciated.
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    Recently Purchased a machine along with Technical Bulletins 1/1955 through to 1/1964 which I am going to list on eBay, if any members of this Forum interested in a particular bulletin I will send to the first 10 requests free. See list for details, You need to request YEAR and VOLUME

    Deckel Technical Bulletins for Pantograph & Engraving Machines 1955 to 1964

    Table of Contents
    Volume/Year/ Pages Per Bulletin
    1/1955 4 Internal Helical Grooves generated on the FP Universal Tool Milling
    Machine. (Some Diagrams)
    2/1955 4 Template-Controlled Form Grinding on Model S1 Tool and Cutter
    Grinder
    3/1955 1 Lubrication of Guide Ways and Spindle Drive Systems on Model FP
    and KF Machines.
    1/1956 4 The Symmetrical Duplicating Attachment for Model KF Die Sinking
    Machines.
    2/1956 8 Single-Lip Cutters,- How to select, sharpen and use them properly.
    3/1956 4 Using the Line-by-Line Milling Attachment with Locking Arm on KF Die
    Sinking Machines.
    4/1956 1 Supplement to List of Recommended Lubricants for
    Guideways and Spindle Drives of FP and KF
    1/1957 8 How to Prepare Duplicating Masters for Deckel GK and KF Pantograph
    Profiling Millers.
    2/1957 3 Tools and Tool Mounts for Deckel FP , KF , and S1 Machine tools
    3/1957 4 Milling of High Near-Vertical Surfaces, Sharp Inner Corners and
    Undercuts on Deckel KF Die Sinking Machines.
    4/1957 2 Machining of Sharp Inner Corners on Deckel FP Tool Milling Machines
    1/1958 1 Precise Adjustment of Angles in Machine Tool Operation.
    2/1958 8 The SO Single Lip Cutter Grinder, Supplementary Design Features and
    Little known Applications.
    3/1958 6 Jig Boring and Grinding on Deckel FP2 Universal Tooling Machine
    4/1958 5 Further Applications of S 1 Universal Tool and Cutter Grinder.
    5/1958 2 The Grinding of Twist Drills on the SO Single-Lip Cutter Grinder and
    the S1 Tool and Cutter Grinder.
    1/1959 5 Mechanical Patternmaking on the Deckel KF Pantograph Die Sinking
    Machine. (Included 2 pages of B&W Photos)
    2/1959 10 The selection and Application of Grinding Wheels and Mounted
    Points. (Including 2 pages of Photos)
    3/1959 15 Operations on the New FP 2L Universal Milling and Boring machine.
    (Including 12 Pages of photos, diagrams and instructions)
    4/1959 4 Supplementary Information on the Casting of Duplicating Master for
    Deckel G, GK, and KF Pantograph Profiling Millers.
    1/1960 10 Further Applications of Deckel G, GK, and KF Pantograph engraving
    Machines. (Including 4 pages of photos)
    2/1960 6 Special Operations and Methods on the FP1 and FP2 Universal Tool
    Milling Machines. (Including 2 pages of photos)
    3/1960 1 Lubrication of High-Speed Milling and Grinding Spindle Bearings on
    Deckel G, GK, KF, SO and S1 Machines.
    1/1961 10 The use of Template Systems in Copy-Milling.
    (Including 2 pages of photos)
    2/1961 10 This Bulletin is a Copy from another source on German Engineering
    That Deckel included in their Bulletins as recommended reading.
    (Including 4 pages of photos)
    1/1962 6 Milling of Inclined Internal Corners on Deckle FP Milling Machines.
    (Including 2 pages of photos)
    1/1963 4 Lubricants for Deckel Machine Tools.
    2/1963 12 Great Versatility of the Deckel FP3 Milling and Boring Machine.
    (Including 8 pages of photos).
    1/1964 2 Face Mills for FP Machines.

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    Default New old machine, Deckel G1L

    Wow!

    I'm very much interested in and would be happy to pay for these three Bulletins.

    2/1958 The SO Single Lip Cutter Grinder, Supplementary Design Features and Little known Applications.Deckel G, GK, and KF Pantograph Profiling Millers.

    1/1960 Further Applications of Deckel G, GK, and KF Pantograph engraving Machines.

    5/1958 The Grinding of Twist Drills on the SO Single-Lip Cutter Grinder and the S1 Tool and Cutter Grinder.

    Thank you kindly,

    Mark
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