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    Quote Originally Posted by ballen View Post
    That makes sense. Problem is that I don't own that model of horizontal table, only the extra-large one. I've looked online and these smaller horizontal tables cost 700-2000 Euros. Not sure it's worth that to me.
    Ah, I missed that, I see it now on the photos that show the underside of the table. For a little bit there I thought you were being lazy .
    Even the smaller table is heavy enough that I don't think I can flip it safely alone, so I have an engine hoist to assist me when it needs to turn around or come off the mill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillE View Post
    63mm
    OK -- strange choice -- I wonder if Deckel picked this because it's close to 2.5 inches.

    One of the brochures here, also shows an even smaller riser was also available in that same spacing
    I looked at this closely and could not see the 'even smaller riser'. The rotary table is shown in the second to last photo in the second row, but it's mounted directly to the table, with the controls hanging over the edge, exactly as shown in my first post in this thread. There is no riser. Or have I missed something in one of the other photos?

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    Hi Bruce,
    like you I have only the large fixed table (plus the FP3 swivelling).
    So I went hunting and found the correct riser plate (by one of the usual suspects).
    The height is exactly 50 mm, so the index handle and direct index locking knob has plenty of space.
    I use it all the time to lower the table because, like you, I have the long reach head.
    But I would much rather have the block Martin found. It's more versatile.

    Cheers
    Erik
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails riserplate.jpg  

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    Hi Erik,

    Thanks for the photo! That's obviously a great solution. Please, could you tell me, what are the other two dimensions of the table, and what's the Deckel part number? It's probably stamped inside one of the T-nut grooves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    But I would much rather have the block Martin found. It's more versatile.
    I don't think that the block Martin found is long enough -- it's 280mm in length whereas the base of the rotary table is 300mm.

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    Hi Bruce.

    It's this (from 1986 tools and accessories catalog)
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    Hi Erik,

    That's very helpful, I just bought a used one, it was 250 Euros including shipping.

    Cheers,
    Bruce

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    Hi Bruce.

    Wow, that was quick....

    Congrats and Happy New Year.

    I just saw your "wanted" advert using my picture.

    I even tried to write in anger - and suddenly saw your name - oops.

    So I wrote it was alright...

    Cheers
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    Looks like Deckel made, or at least advertised, a riser plate for adapting FP3L table slot spacing and wider t slot to FP1/2/3 standard slots... Has anyone ever seen one?

    As is probably mythical, am also getting a quote on a chunk of dura bar.... My quick sketch would be 10” x 16” x 2” finished to span FP3L t slots. Deckel’s design seems to be smaller.

    L7

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    Hi Erik,

    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I just saw your "wanted" advert using my picture. I even tried to write in anger - and suddenly saw your name - oops. So I wrote it was alright.
    Sorry, didn't realise that you might mind, my apologies. It certainly helped to get a fast response!

    Happy holidays and best wishes for the New Year!

    Cheers,
    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky7 View Post
    Looks like Deckel made, or at least advertised, a riser plate for adapting FP3L table slot spacing and wider t slot to FP1/2/3 standard slots... Has anyone ever seen one?
    Isn't the object you describe listed in the final two lines of the attachment to post 25?

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    Yup, on last line, but no stock number, and I know from a Deckel rep that they advertised items they never made. Wondering if this is such an item. If one actually exists, I’ll price it out before making one.

    Perhaps I’m not being clear: what I’d like is 14mm t slots on base of sub plate spaced for FP3L, and 12mm slots on top of plate at FP2 spacing. I think this is what sneebot was showing in the ad on post #10.

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    If i was going to the trouble of making a riser...would use MI-6 tooling plate Aluminum already ground flat and parallel from teh mill.
    Wouldn't bother with "T" slots, rather drill and tap a grid of holes for hold down studs.....
    Cheers Ross

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    It would not be too hard to get a sub-plate cast in the dimensions wanted, then grind scrape and drill to your desires. I have several Taft-pierce box parallels in sizes 3x4x12, 3x3x12, 4x6x6, etc. that I use all the time to elevate work on the fp2nc table, particularly when using the horizontal spindle. I would love to have one that is a better match to the dimensions of the rotary table.

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    This is how I used the big rotary table on my FP3...

    travail-fabrication-platine-table-universelle-deckel-fp3-9-.jpg

    It doesn't reduce table to spindle height and it even groups the controls of both the rotab and the machine !

    Of course it requires an universal table but shouldn't everyone have one ??

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    Hi Bruce.

    I don't mind - you can have anything you want from me.

    I thought some criminal had snatched my photo in order to cheat - and I reacted very (too) fast.

    Because it looked like a sales advert. I saw it was a "wanted" ad only after I saw your name - after I thought I had reported it.

    A very happy and prosperous new year to you, too.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballen View Post
    Hi Erik,



    Sorry, didn't realise that you might mind, my apologies. It certainly helped to get a fast response!

    Happy holidays and best wishes for the New Year!

    Cheers,
    Bruce

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    Hi Tien.

    I do have the FP3 table, but two things are wrong in my case.

    1. It's the square edged table that can't rotate 90 degrees.
    2. It couldn't do so anyway, as I have a 1966 FP2. Not enough room.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by lucky7 View Post
    What I’d like is 14mm t slots on base of sub plate spaced for FP3L, and 12mm slots on top of plate at FP2 spacing. I think this is what sneebot was showing in the ad on post #10.
    Look carefully at the first photo shown by Matt in post #10, which I have reproduced below (you'll have to click on it to see it well). Look really closely at how the plate is bolted to the table below. Do you see anything odd???

    308725d1609120135-placement-overhang-deckel-model-6017-380mm-rotary-table-20201227_194928.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I do have the FP3 table, but two things are wrong in my case.

    1. It's the square edged table that can't rotate 90 degrees.
    2. It couldn't do so anyway, as I have a 1966 FP2. Not enough room.
    What's the problem with the FP2 beeing 1966 ?

    If I we're you, I wouldn't hesitate to trim the corners of my table to enable the full rotation of the top plate !!!
    Owning that table and enduring such a limitation would be sooooo frustrating !

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNB View Post
    What's the problem with the FP2 beeing 1966 ?

    If I we're you, I wouldn't hesitate to trim the corners of my table to enable the full rotation of the top plate !!! Owning that table and enduring such a limitation would be sooooo frustrating !
    Tien, I'm curious, does that table have a rotation mechanism similar to the 6017 rotary table? If not, isn't the 2037 table a better choice?

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    No, there's no rotation mechanism at all. But all in all, I don't miss it too much.
    To me, that table is a good compromise between the 2037 that doesn't offer clamping surface enough for general use, and the 2038 series tables that I find too heavy for my machine (and also pose several other problems such as different T-slot size and spacing compared to other Deckel tables for manual machines).

    In fact, I'm not far from thinking that the best universal table would be the Hermle/Mikron....





    More here

    The CNC crowd will throw stones at me but most of the time when I need to do small "contouring", I don't even bother to mount the big 380mm rotab.
    I just bolt some kind of lever in one of the t-nut slots, loosen the bolts for a snug fit and turn the table by hand.
    Big passes and climb milling *forbidden* of course, but it works very well !

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