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    Default Tool changer locked up on Deckel Maho. Clearer explaination (I hope)

    I posted this problem below but I am starting over to try and make it clearer.
    The control is a Siemens 840D. Machine is a Deckel Maho 103V machining center.

    1. We power-up the machine.
    2. The control shows a flashing light at the tool change buttons (purple and yellow).
    3. When we press the white button to turn on the drives, the tool changer arm swings over into place under the spindle. The prox. switch in the rear lights to show the arm is in place.
    4. We can hear the air operated grips activate (the ones that grab the pull stud on a tool holder).
    5. The Z axis seems about half way down on top of a tool (all tools are out of the machine now for safety).
    6. The machine simply holds in this position and does not move. Air blasting, pull stud puller fingers disengaged, turret in place under the spindle, the spindle not going up or down but is half way in between the tool change.

    We have tried pressing the hand button, bring up the tool change screen and press the yellow and purple buttons back and forth which normally will bring the machine back to 0 in the tool change mode. Now it is stuck on tool 5 (we cannot get it back to 0).

    At the moment, we can only email a video of the machine and it's problem. Please request the video if you would like to see it: [email protected]

    If anyone knows of someone in South Eastern Michigan that could service the machine, please forward their name.

    Thanks, Chuck

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    Default Ok.

    Im sorry but Im doing this from memory.
    You are going to have to release all axis in the 1/0 menu to be able to move the axis manualy/at all from the pos.
    Do you know how to? passw. for access and so on?

    my mail cliant is not prop. installed. so im kind of limping here
    but it would help to post a pic. of your control screen and also of the pos. of the spindle.

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    Default Getting into the PLC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic View Post
    Im sorry but Im doing this from memory.
    You are going to have to release all axis in the 1/0 menu to be able to move the axis manualy/at all from the pos.
    Do you know how to? passw. for access and so on?

    my mail cliant is not prop. installed. so im kind of limping here
    but it would help to post a pic. of your control screen and also of the pos. of the spindle.

    I think I can get into the PLC and I know the pass word. I will let you know my progress and thanks!
    Chuck

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    Default Images of the Monitor

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic View Post
    Im sorry but Im doing this from memory.
    You are going to have to release all axis in the 1/0 menu to be able to move the axis manualy/at all from the pos.
    Do you know how to? passw. for access and so on?

    my mail cliant is not prop. installed. so im kind of limping here
    but it would help to post a pic. of your control screen and also of the pos. of the spindle.

    Images of the Monitor. I can take more if needed.

    Thanks!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails deckel-103v-monitor-3.jpg   deckel-103v-monitor-1.jpg   deckel-103v-monitor-2.jpg  

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    I dont recomend changing any thing in the PLC unless you know verry well what your are doing and you have a fresh backup of your PLC, NC.
    Beside I do not recall you being able to free the axis throw the PLC, but I might be wrong

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    Default More help please

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic View Post
    I dont recomend changing any thing in the PLC unless you know verry well what your are doing and you have a fresh backup of your PLC, NC.
    Beside I do not recall you being able to free the axis throw the PLC, but I might be wrong
    Hello Nordic,

    I should not have mentioned the PLC (I misunderstood). What do you recommend?

    Thanks
    Chuck

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    Default Videos of the problem (machine)

    I hope these videos makes the problem a little clearer.


    http://www.sunspotedm.com/deckel-video1.html

    http://www.sunspotedm.com/deckel-video2.html


    Thanks

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    Sent you a PM with a phone number, you'd do well to give him a jingle.

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    Default Cant seem to get those to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck from Detroit View Post
    I hope these videos makes the problem a little clearer.


    http://www.sunspotedm.com/deckel-video1.html

    http://www.sunspotedm.com/deckel-video2.html


    Thanks
    hope this call will help.

    Let me know how this turns out.

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    The vids played fine for me, but dang ... I gotta go find some Dramamine! (Gravel?)


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    I couldn't agree more...




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    Default What is happening behind the covers.

    Hi
    Is the machine running now?
    if not please send me an e-mail.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck from Detroit View Post
    I hope these videos makes the problem a little clearer.


    http://www.sunspotedm.com/deckel-video1.html

    http://www.sunspotedm.com/deckel-video2.html


    Thanks

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    Default Still broken down. Please help

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic View Post
    Hi
    Is the machine running now?
    if not please send me an e-mail.
    Help is still needed. Email sent.
    Thanks

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    Default re

    My 64V [a very different machine] does a similar thing, and we think it has to do with a balky tool door switch.

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    Default Door switch?

    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    My 64V [a very different machine] does a similar thing, and we think it has to do with a balky tool door switch.
    We have 2 prox. switches in the back of the machine so when the arm swings (air driven) the machine is told that the turret (tools) has swung to the spindle or back to it's resting position. We had changed the shock / stops with new ones but they were out of adjustment so the arm did not make it's full swing. We have wondered if the machine had swung out, missed the switch and came back when we dropped air pressure and made a return switch. This incorrect cycle (double return switching) might be why the machine is confused. We are guessing someone with the knowledge has to go into the computer and reset it.

    Thanks for your idea.

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    Default Problem Solved!

    I want to thank everyone that helped me.
    Chuck


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