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    The reasons for decisions like transporting to China instead of upgrading are due to the way that management thinks; to the way managers are taught to think. They only look forward to the next quarter or the next year or two if forced to. Beyond that, they consider to be totally irrelevant. And all too often the very few who do look to the long term wind up unemployed and probably unemployable in other management jobs.

    I am sure that company could have worked out a plan to upgrade over a period of years. And come out ahead because of it.

    I am also sure that the pollution is still present. It simply has been exported to China.



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    One of the largest copper mining pits in the USA is about 30 miles west of me, today they process it to concentrate, truck it 100 miles north where it goes on rail cars, haul it to the west coast where it goes on freighters, then off to china for smelting and refining, not sure, maybe some of it comes back to us. They used to smelt it right up the hill from me, but due to EPA regs, and the company's unwillingness to invest in scrubbers, all that closed in the 60's-70's. The mountains behind us are completely devoid of trees, all killed off by the high sulfur dioxide emissions, I've seen pictures of when it was in operation, they all have a smokey bleak look. When your exhaust smoke kills all the trees, its probably not good for the workers or community health either. I understand the need for industry and strategic minerals, but I don't oppose best practices, hard to believe it is cheaper to transport to China than just upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Without the government making future-looking decisions, you're toast.
    Uh-huh.

    Solyndra.

    Nice try. Keep your communism to yourself.

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    Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldsteinWithout the government making future-looking decisions, you're toast.



    Uh-huh.

    Solyndra.

    Nice try. Keep your communism to yourself.
    What part of the government planning for the future (Manufacturing in this case) do you see as communism? Do you think China buying up the world's supply of Bauxite while USA sat around with it's thumb up its ass was communism or a strategic long term business decision for the good of the country? China is set to take over Kenya's port over an unpaid loan that will give them a strategic shipping gateway. They saw an opportunity to gain an advantage on the future of international trade and took it, Is that communism?

    I'm trying to sit here and think of what the American government has done to insure the countries future on financial stability through manufacturing and can’t come up with anything. A county has to be ran like a business and any successful business has a plan, Whats Americas plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g-coder05 View Post
    A county has to be ran like a business and any successful business has a plan, Whats Americas plan?

    We hired the guy who bankrupted 5 casinos and slapped his name on The Art of the Deal because he's a successful businessman, duh.

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    Actually, there is no business plan. That might offend the gay transgender people we have elevated to special status. We'd hate to be xenophobic or upset the Chinese people who own Joe Biden.

    Only a dolt would blame Trump for the way this country has been run....the problems were well laid years prior to his arrival. For example, the jackass before him courted the theft of untold billions in technology by the Chinese. Hardly Trump's doing. I'd like to think an a machinist site everyone would understand the keen value of technology, but I guess not. And just look at how the politicians fought so hard to try to get an outsider out of the White House....they know the longer he stays, the more their pork and corruption will be exposed.

    Too many liberals over-intellectualizing and over-rationalizing every facet of existence. Sometimes, a spade is just a spade. There's only one reason the USA is taking it in the shorts every day - we do it to ourselves by electing losers and by just flat being pussies. We trade national security and economic stability for cheap forks, concerts, and beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boslab View Post
    One thing I discovered about Ali smelters and melters, everything rusts really fast, the flux in the furnaces seems to be very corrosive, brand new machines looked like they’d been left out in a field.
    Mark
    So "Stain" from Canada will be on a buying spree in texas then eh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregSY View Post
    Actually, there is no business plan. That might offend the gay transgender people we have elevated to special status. We'd hate to be xenophobic or upset the Chinese people who own Joe Biden.
    You breed lies like a pile of dung breeds flies. And the similarities don't end there...

    Your beloved traitor lost. Deal with it. Move to Russia, or NK. You'll fit right in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    Also a matter of local cost of electricity, given how much it takes to refine, cast. and roll aluminum.

    OTOH, Al is a strategic metal, so if there's anyone left in the Defense Department who's not now a hack djt appointment, I hope they're paying attention.
    I'm not sure what their rate is, but I knew a small time extruder somewhere in north Texas. They cited the electrical cost as a reason for being there. I don't remember if it was $0.03/kw*hr or $0.04/kw*hr, but it was really low. I wouldn't be surprised if Alcoa gets a better deal if they make their own, and fuel isn't exactly expensive in that area.


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