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    Default Buying new Lathe Need help with comparison Hwacheon HL-460 VS Clausing VS15

    Want to upgrade my lathe, currently have a Clausing Colchester 12 gear head. Added a VFD to it for more flexibility with spindle speed.
    Need a more stable lathe for general machine shop work. We make parts in the machining center and rebuild engines. Constantly needing to use the lathe.
    Will cut threads, parting, facing, boring ect. From simple stuff to harder projects.
    Looking at buying new. Used machines can take time to find and weed thru the mess.
    The 2 candidates are the Clausing 8044 15x50 ,it is a variable speed lathe and comes in at appr 3300 lbs. Second is the Hwacheon HL-460 18x60" Gear head lathe.Weighing 5200
    Either would get a DRO.
    For users of either lathe, can you give me some pro's and con's of either lathe? Both have similar costs.
    The Clausing seems to have more options. I would probably add a VFD to the Hwacheon to aid in spindle speed adjustments.
    I don't need the lathe for production, the VMC does that. When fixing my old Clausing (made in 1983) had some trouble locating parts. Got most of them in England. It seams the newer machines would be easier to maintain for at least 15 years. It is a big purchase and do not want to regret it.img_20210318_135627716.jpgThe old lathe

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    Whacheon all the way. You answered your own question It weighs almost 2000lbs more than the Clausing. I'm also guessing the Clausing is made in Taiwan, the Whacheon is made in Korea and is a copy of the Mori Seiki. Very high quality machine. Also a lot more money than the Clausing.


    BTW I have a set of Molnar rods here in my shop. Nice enough parts. They were much more consistent on the big end bore than the K1 rods from Wiseco.

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    Where is the carriage direction reverse lever located on the Hwacheon? On the head or at the carriage?
    We go thru lots of Molnar rods here.

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    No idea, the Whacheon was out of my budget when I bought my new lathe in 2019. Call Greer and ask Steve:
    http://greermachinery.com/used-lathes

    They are they experts on those.

    It looks like on the apron. Whacheon is not a clutch type machine, I don't think. They are On/Off/ON. The old Clausings had a clutch setup that left the motor running, but the chuck would stop. No idea if the new ones will.

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    The HL460 is a much beefier lathe. I have one...no real complaints. It is a no-clutch machine, I start and run mine on a VFD.

    The one funny thing (which might be my lack of exploring the lathe's features) is the X and Y feeds are reversed from all the other lathes I run. In other words, when you engage the X, it travels toward the head. But when you engage the Y, it travels away from the chuck centerline, not toward it. If you reverse the direction of feed, the X travels away from the head and the Y travels toward the chuck C/L.


    I'm missing something...what's with the Molnar references? I don't see any connection to this thread.


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    I have a Webb that’s the same basic thing. I like it, probably my second favorite lathe to run. I liked the TOS we had at work better, it was a clutch type spindle control that was easy to feather but my favorite part was the joystick for feed direction and a rapid feed button.

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    That’s weird on the HL-460, all the lathes I’ve seen the same feed setting that moves the carriage to the headstock , feeds the cross-slide in/away from the operator. That would take me a while to remember


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    Quote Originally Posted by ripperj View Post
    That’s weird on the HL-460, all the lathes I’ve seen the same feed setting that moves the carriage to the headstock , feeds the cross-slide in/away from the operator. That would take me a while to remember


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    I have a LeBlond Regal, Whacheon 17" and a SB Heavy 10, all of them work the same way. If you have the feed set to move the carriage toward the headstock for normal turning and you decide to engage the feed on the cross slide, it feeds out towards the operator. You need to change the direction to make the cross slide feed in, away from the operator. My point, the Whacheon is no different than my LeBlond and South Bend with regard to feed direction.

    BTW, other than not having a clutch, the Whacheon is a well made lathe.

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    Hwacheon HL-460 is ordered. Hope to see it in the shop soon. Cleared out the needed space and arranged the heavy equipment to move it. Have single phase in my shop, so will be adding a VFD to it. Bonus with VFD, will have variable speed in all gears.

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    you will be pleased .that lathe is a wet dream .

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    I just got a used Hwacheon from Greer last month. Wonderful. I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregSY View Post

    ...I'm missing something...what's with the Molnar references? I don't see any connection to this thread.
    See the Molnar boxes, 3 of them, at the top of the pic in OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbacc View Post
    I have a LeBlond Regal, Whacheon 17" and a SB Heavy 10, all of them work the same way. If you have the feed set to move the carriage toward the headstock for normal turning and you decide to engage the feed on the cross slide, it feeds out towards the operator. You need to change the direction to make the cross slide feed in, away from the operator. My point, the Whacheon is no different than my LeBlond and South Bend with regard to feed direction.

    BTW, other than not having a clutch, the Whacheon is a well made lathe.
    Every lathe I've ever used is that way, except one, my own Sidney. I actually prefer the carriage left and infeed to be the norm as that is what I generally do. Others prefer it the opposite as they cut to a shoulder and feed out. I just do that by hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by tlowe View Post
    Hwacheon HL-460 is ordered. Hope to see it in the shop soon. Cleared out the needed space and arranged the heavy equipment to move it. Have single phase in my shop, so will be adding a VFD to it. Bonus with VFD, will have variable speed in all gears.
    Congrats, you outta love it!

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    Got the lathe delivered to me and safely unloaded. Had it fired up last night. Nice and quiet running in all gears. Started making the back plate from a D1-6 blank. It sure cuts NICE. And it is a heavy bugger at about 5300 lbs. 2 of us and a set of pipes got it put in place today. img_20210505_101033395_hdr.jpgimg_20210505_113511965.jpg

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    You made the right call! Jealous. I have an 80’s 17” Whacheon (WL-435)and it’s a wonderful and DURABLE machine. Very high quality.

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    That is awesome. Good looking machine. Get to making some chips. HAHA

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    That is awesome. Good looking machine. Get to making some chips. HAHA


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