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    Quote Originally Posted by SIP6A View Post
    The line about "China gets what they deserve" could just as well be said about the US
    Countries are just geography. Some people get what they deserve, good and bad, but for most it's just fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Countries are just geography. Some people get what they deserve, good and bad, but for most it's just fate.
    Gordon country's are much more than geography. It's the people that make a country. And how those people chose to run it make all the differences. Some country's are successful while others fail. Fate has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIP6A View Post
    China will pay small or no price for what happened. Corporations will go to the lowest cost provider of what ever they want to make. Corporations have no morals or conscious , it's all about money.

    The line about "China gets what they deserve" could just as well be said about the US
    “ Corporations will go to the lowest cost provider of what ever they want to make. Corporations have no morals or conscious , it's all about money.”

    If this were the true case then wouldn’t most all manufacturing would already be gone?

    Also if this were the main consideration would not most corporations have left States with high labor costs and tax structure?

    Obviously this is not the end all as other manufacturing in Western countries also have not moved it all.

    The impart of Jobs lost and people working at low wage jobs is found in several western countries. There have been tax incentives to move and too if openings occur many large companies bring lower waged skilled personnel and often ignore that Americans are qualified and ready to work.

    We lose especially in times like these when needed medical supplies are not made here and there are huge costs involved that only the Government might cover. The government encouraged the exodus of manufacturing and now the government must step up and help solve the shortages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    First, uhh, what is your problem with gay bars, or is it just required to start your post with some kind of slur against someone?

    Second, article is from the 16th, they have been shut down for 2 weeks
    “ First, uhh, what is your problem with gay bars, or is it just required to start your post with some kind of slur against someone?”

    Really? Maybe it is not the type of bar at all. He actually may have no judgement felt.

    Isn’t he just describing the kind of Bars he is noticing actually. I did not think he was attacking the life choice as much as it was a example of who ignores social distancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    The government encouraged the exodus of manufacturing and now the government must step up and help solve the shortages.
    I hope your right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    “ Corporations will go to the lowest cost provider of what ever they want to make. Corporations have no morals or conscious , it's all about money.”

    If this were the true case then wouldn’t most all manufacturing would already be gone?

    Also if this were the main consideration would not most corporations have left States with high labor costs and tax structure?

    Obviously this is not the end all as other manufacturing in Western countries also have not moved it all.

    The impart of Jobs lost and people working at low wage jobs is found in several western countries. There have been tax incentives to move and too if openings occur many large companies bring lower waged skilled personnel and often ignore that Americans are qualified and ready to work.

    We lose especially in times like these when needed medical supplies are not made here and there are huge costs involved that only the Government might cover. The government encouraged the exodus of manufacturing and now the government must step up and help solve the shortages.
    If one were to compare what we used to manufacture, to what we do now, they could conclude that most all manufacturing IS already gone.

    The thing about China, is that the US is 5% of their GDP. We could stop buying everything and everything out of there, and it'd barely be a bump in the road for them.

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    Ref the "turn the mobile phone off"...
    Here's a pretty old but gold vid showing spook equipment backed-up by the manufacturers data sheets (so it's real).
    Well worth watching
    YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIP6A View Post
    I hope your right.
    Well it does not seem that lenders are calm enough to loan out because they are in shock. I imagine the government can always generate money.

    It is hard when companies become too big to fail so to speak. True the government doing things that private companies should do causes a lot of waste.

    Like all the bailouts that have happened the government played the major role and selected winners and losers plus made important people wealthier. Then all of the high earners were given tax breaks. It is hard to make this stuff up if we had not witnessed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbter View Post
    Ref the "turn the mobile phone off"...
    Here's a pretty old but gold vid showing spook equipment backed-up by the manufacturers data sheets (so it's real).
    Well worth watching
    YouTube
    One afternoon we were talking about Michigan cities and I mentioned that my friend Wolfgang lived in Mesick Michigan, one of the poorest cities in our state.
    Lather after that conversation my son in law Rob opened his phone and his phone displayed Mesick Michigan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post
    When all this is said and done, China will pay a heavy economic price, as the countries of the world who were ravaged by this Covid-19 pandemic will look elsewhere for cheap sub-contracting.

    The people of the world are going to forever look at China in a different way, and that’s generally going to be a negative, untrusting, and unwilling to commit to business.

    I don’t give a shit how “large” China’s internal market is, without being able to provide and sell to the world, their economy will be screwed.

    China gets what they deserve when the leaders act retarded by denying this mess, and not doing more early to stop it in its tracks early on.

    And they could have!

    And that’s what the world will always remember...
    or
    it will boil down to who makes shit the cheapest possible
    shame really

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post
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    China gets what they deserve when the leaders act retarded by denying this mess, and not doing more early to stop it in its tracks early on.
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    One wonders if a virus or alien invasion with no care for borders or politics will unite us or divide us further as humans on one planet.
    Already we now see states vs fed and states vs. states here in the US with lots of finger pointing.
    Young vs old.
    The hope that a common enemy would unite us as a species but ....
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    POTUS extends social distance guidelines 4 more weeks. This lockdown will be with us for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    POTUS extends social distance guidelines 4 more weeks. This lockdown will be with us for a while.
    I think we're in for a LONG haul guys.

    Be prepared to vote by mail.

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    Looks like a little out-of-the-box thinking may help with the shortage (and price tag) of ventilators

    Graduate student working on new rapidly deployable ventilators | The Queen's College, Oxford

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowman View Post
    If one were to compare what we used to manufacture, to what we do now, they could conclude that most all manufacturing IS already gone.
    Lots of folks have been keeping track of actual NUMBERS on that - rather than ill-informed opinions - for ages.

    It isn't as GONE as some think it is. Check the US ranking among global manufacturers.

    China having the largest global share, 2010 onward, isn't the advantage to China, nor the disadvantage to others, as some think that is, either.

    It also puts them in a vulnerable spot - dependent on "others" to keep buying their output AND with PAYMENT, not soft loans, and in currencies that actually have good value.

    That's a lot of risk every bit as much as a position of strength.

    There are hundreds, if not thousands, of studies made, US, UK, UN, and other.

    Tip of a large iceberg, here in just two:

    Global manufacturing scorecard: How the US compares to 18 other nations

    • Chart: China Is the World's Manufacturing Superpower | Statista


    The thing about China, is that the US is 5% of their GDP. We could stop buying everything and everything out of there, and it'd barely be a bump in the road for them.
    Look again. We have been reducing our spend. They have been hurting far worse than a "bump in the road" whilst WE have been only moderately inconvenienced off the back of that.

    A very high percentage of what they make is too easily replaced, migrated to a new source, or even done without, entirely.

    Anything "strategic" on their menu justifies higher spend and is getting more and more of that as well.

    COVID-19 will probably do VERY heavy damage to their higher-tech pharma industry as well as low-tech basic disposable masks and such.

    Going forward, US/Canada/Mexico .... or the EU ... will be doing some rather heavy-handed rebalancing of that, and for several good reasons.

    "Overdue"? Yah. By decades.

    But better late - Trump's arrival - than never - anyone else on the menu 40 years past and more of the same sellout going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderjet View Post
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    Be prepared to vote by mail.
    So yeah, could the election get put off a year or two?
    If vote in person could you declare state counties as "more hazardous" and shut down from a national position of power?
    Could you bend a vote by doing so?
    Not that I think anyone would ever do this but it seems easy.
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    There's an old binary sort for how to manage what to really worry about.

    First of all, you're either healthy or sick.

    If you're healthy you've got nothing to worry about but if you're sick there's just two things to worry about - either you'll get better or worse.

    If you get better, you've nothing to worry about. If you get worse there are just two things - you'll live or die.

    If you live, there's nothing to worry about but if you die, there are just two options - you're going to heaven or to that other place.

    If you go to heaven there's nothing to worry about. If you go to hell you'll be so busy chatting up all your friends you won't have time to worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TGTool View Post
    There's an old binary sort for how to manage what to really worry about.

    First of all, you're either healthy or sick.

    If you're healthy you've got nothing to worry about but if you're sick there's just two things to worry about - either you'll get better or worse.

    If you get better, you've nothing to worry about. If you get worse there are just two things - you'll live or die.

    If you live, there's nothing to worry about but if you die, there are just two options - you're going to heaven or to that other place.

    If you go to heaven there's nothing to worry about. If you go to hell you'll be so busy chatting up all your friends you won't have time to worry.
    Damn.

    That's too complicated.

    "Nobody gets out of this life alive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    So yeah, could the election get put off a year or two?
    Democrats will try to use the virus to push for national vote by mail.

    The lockdowns won't be in place for that long. It's disrupting the primaries, but we'll be back open by the general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    Democrats will try to use the virus to push for national vote by mail.
    why is it you make it sound like that would be a bad thing?
    enabling as many people as possible to exercise their constitutional right to vote should be on anybody's mind now shouldn't it?


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