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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Because Kalifornia already showed the way, with illegals voting in droves.

    Because the "vote by mail" is not a robust system (as of yet) and no one wants to improve the security of it (watch who screams the loudest against any additional
    security methods, mainly the democrats)

    Care to tell us where you heard that? Source?

    Here's one analysis: All-Mail Elections (aka Vote-By-Mail)

    In California and many other states, mailed ballets are only for those who've proven citizenship, proven residence, and have a signature on file. Others use normal voting locations. And those locations, because there is less traffic, are easier to get in and out of and cheaper to run. About the only potential downside (which I'd noted earlier) is that, a conservative parent might suggest to their live-in kid they should vote their way -- or a 50 year old might "help" their 70 year old parent with choices. As a 70+ year old I can tell you that's not happening for most of us. Either case doesn't much happen. People don't care to vote? Yep. People in a family tend to agree or want to hear each other's opinions? Yep A few families violently disagree and are damned if someone else si going to tell them how to vote? Yep People rush to the mailbox in order to steal and fill and and forge a signature to a family member's ballot -- and the family member never asks "where's my voting stuff?" Not sure we have any documented cases, likely a few.

    On the other hand if we take Bill/Thermite's suggestion that we open up zillions of tiny voting places, spaced out of days, with just one or two poll workers on site while a pandemic is going on, then we have a system ripe for good old fashioned ballot box stuffing of the type we know has been going on for years.

    Should anyone be actually concerned about the fairness of our elections, the priorities might be something like this:

    1) gerrymandering by both parties
    2) making voting access near impossible in some states for some people
    3) potential electronic and actual social media interference in our elections
    4) large scale abuse by political partisans (ballot box stuffing, filling in absentee ballots for others)
    5) things like individuals with criminal convictions not saying so and registering to vote
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    100) undocumented immigrants too busy trying to make a lving, elaborately faking documentation, then risking jail and deportation in order to vote

    The conservative Heritage Foundations tracks voter fraud. Turns out that it's both rare AND with more instances in Texas than California, despite Texas' smaller population.

    Election Fraud Cases | The Heritage Foundation

    Bottom line - It would be eminently sensible for a state that was contemplating adding mail-in voting (as so many have done, securely) do so to make it easier for citizens, especially those in greatest danger of contracting this virus, to vote by mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Care to tell us where you heard that? Source?
    No need to re-live the tortured route.

    Just look at the end result.

    The State is skrewed. Bigtime. Believes it can simply vote itself "free everything", and forever.

    Whom, anywhere, would want to risk contagion of such insanity?

    That was calling for "social distancing" even before COVID-19 arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    As of yet I haven't heard of any infection nexuses from that pastor, but I expect them to come. Louisiana has some major hot spots, won't be a shock if there'll be more coming.
    See also falwell's liberty university in lynchburg va. where students are infecting the surrounding town.

    Vote by mail? Republicans will never allow that - too many citizens would vote and they'd lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Vote by mail? Republicans will never allow that - too many citizens would vote and they'd lose.
    And in typical fashion, the liar-in-chief chooses to tell the truth at all the wrong times.

    "Donald Trump called in to Fox & Friends Monday morning and openly admitted that if more people vote, Republicans will lose. Democrats are pushing for vote by mail so that people don’t have to risk coronavirus to exercise their right to vote. Asked about “special interest projects” added to coronavirus relief bills, that is right where Trump’s mind went.

    “The things they had in there were crazy,” he said. “They had levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” You might think it’s amazing to hear a politician in a democracy saying that democracy is bad, but Trump joins a long line of Republicans saying that too much voting is bad."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhoopee View Post


    “The things they had in there were crazy,” he said. “They had levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” You might think it’s amazing to hear a politician in a democracy saying that democracy is bad, but Trump joins a long line of Republicans saying that too much voting is bad."
    This is just fucking priceless!!!!

    I can't wait to hear the right wing cranks comeback on this one.

    MrWhoopee, Sir, i will raise a toast to your good health before dinner tonight with 12 year old scotch, I only wish you could join me.

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    Regarding absentee voting, in Massachusetts anyone assisting the voter with filling out the ballot has to list the reason assistance is needed, provide their full name and address as well as their relationship to the voter and then sign and date the declaration, which is printed on the outside of the inner ballot envelope. Penalties of perjury for false statements including helping fill out the ballot without saying so on the declaration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    No need to re-live the tortured route.

    Just look at the end result.

    The State is skrewed. Bigtime. Believes it can simply vote itself "free everything", and forever.

    Whom, anywhere, would want to risk contagion of such insanity?

    That was calling for "social distancing" even before COVID-19 arrived.
    Meaning, you're talking through your vent hole?

    Debt's an issue, but has nothing to do with voting by mail. Likely that those voting by mail are older home owners, stable residence and all, who are MORE fiscally conservative. The kind more likely to vote for a Jerry Brown 2.0 than a Gavin Newsom.

    Meanwhile voting by mail is an actually sensible thing in normal times and even more sensible for those most at risk in pandemic times.

    Still, you want to talk debt. Were you to actually look at something like state debt as a % of GDP rather than imagining it, you'd find that California ranks below the national average. 26 states have higher debt as a % of GDP.

    Bill, if you still want to be clueless about voting methods and change the criticism to debt, instead, consider that our national debt is about 80% of GDP and rising. It's 5% debt as a percent of GDP for states like California (near the same as yours, Virginia, by the way).

    Want to solve that? Maybe start with those "taker" states that suck more out of the national treasury than they put back in? Or, even better, the "taker" industries that use our schools, infrastructure, courts, projection of military power to suck out more of the nation's resources than they put back in? Heck, right in your own backyard you could be concerned about the poltical-lobbyist complex now at work sucking up pandemic money? No need to look all the way across the country for something to complain about.

    And, back on the topic of business effects of this pandemic, hope you don't live near Lynchburg, Va's "Liberty University." Plenty to wonder about closer to home, what with the pandemic first being a North Korean special operation and now the kids coming back to mingle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Meaning, you're talking through your vent hole?
    Meaning one cannot "reason" with a Kalifornio.

    They know what they know, and the rest of the world just HAS to be wrong.

    Proof? Nowhere else in America is as f**ked-up!

    Y'all would LOVE to "fix that", cannot even understand why there is "pushback" from folk who would rather yah just KEEP your problems within yer own borders.

    We'll just have to get by with our lesser ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhoopee View Post
    And in typical fashion, the liar-in-chief chooses to tell the truth at all the wrong times.

    "Donald Trump called in to Fox & Friends Monday morning and openly admitted that if more people vote, Republicans will lose. Democrats are pushing for vote by mail so that people don’t have to risk coronavirus to exercise their right to vote. Asked about “special interest projects” added to coronavirus relief bills, that is right where Trump’s mind went.

    “The things they had in there were crazy,” he said. “They had levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” You might think it’s amazing to hear a politician in a democracy saying that democracy is bad, but Trump joins a long line of Republicans saying that too much voting is bad."
    It all depends on what he meant by "levels of voting". If it only means turnout of LEGITIMATE voters your interpretation is correct but if it meant measures that facilitate vote fraud, such as illegal aliens voting or making it easy for people to vote in multiple jurisdictions then "crazy" is not only correct but understating the case.

    I've seen large numbers of college age kids with out of state plates show up on election day in the past before Mass. implemented some changes that would make it harder to vote in multiple states so without safeguards it certainly is possible. Our neighboring states are close enough that a person could stay with mom and dad overnight, vote in Mass., and then drive a couple hours to vote again in the state where they go to college.

    Leftys always claim this is nothing but "conspiracy theory" but every time they shriek about attempts to detect multi-state registrations as "attempts at voter suppression" it raises suspicions. In some countries they dip a voter's index finger in an almost impossible to remove dye to prevent multiple voting. If we tried to implement that here the Dems would likely call it racist or suggest it violated privacy rights or whatever,

    Objecting to vote security measures because "it seldom happens" is not good enough and with modern technology there is no reason every legitimate voter can't get registered and vote without having to trust the honor system.

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    Not that logic will do much good, but the topic of all those illegals streaming into the country in order to vote in our next election keeps coming up.

    We could start by maybe agreeing we ought to have secure borders and a sensible immigration policy. Ideally, if you're here you have documents (citizenship, green card, student visa etc.). That's another topic -- we could already be well on our way to that had previous bipartisan efforts (Bush 2.0, McCain, etc.) not been derailed.

    Now let's look at all those illegals supposedly just dying to get a chance to vote here.

    First thing is they are struggling to put a roof over the head and food on the table. Oops, need a table too. Voting is even less a priority for them than just about any other demographic.

    Second, they need to be citizens to vote.

    Third, to get around the citizen thing they need the skills of, say, the Russian mafia to forge documentation and take it a registrar. You have to register to vote. You can't register without documentation. Even better, most states (certainly California) are moving to an even more secure form of voter and driver's license ID.

    Fourth, they need a stable place of residence and at least two proofs of residence to vote by mail. How many illegals have something like both a utility bill and a landline phone in their name, with an address matching some actual home or apartment? And those rolls are public records. Anyone faking them is subject to arrest.

    Fifth, they need to place such a high priority on voting that they take the time to procure a ballet at their faked citizenship - faked residence - faked utility and phone bill location and mail it in. Knowing that the process is being watched and that the downside is jail time and deportation? Kind of a lousy cost-risk-reward ratio all the way along for someone trying to keep their heads low.

    This is why such fraud is so vanishingly rare, compared to the other forms noted above. It's probably easier - and more motivated - for a 13 year old White or Hispanic kid to get an opioid prescription than vote.

    I would agree that we have the technology to make the frequency of voting fraud vanishingly small -- and also to do it in ways that don't disenfranchise any group of US citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Not that logic will do much good, but the topic of all those illegals streaming into the country in order to vote in our next election keeps coming up.
    Only because we haven't had the good sense to STOP the problem at-source.

    Because the looter-lie-bore-all elites need a constant source of replenishment as their gullibles - immigrants included - become LESS gullible and prefer to KEEP what they have worked hard to earn instead of squandering it on graft and Green New Steals.

    DJT's "sea change" has benefited more Dems and independents than it has Rips.

    Not because HE, personally did anything "magical".

    Because he put on a grand enough shit-show to keep them perpetually AFU over "TDS" so they couldn't get in OTHER folks road who DID make a positive change!

    Not all of the beneficiaries are so bloody-minded foolish as to piss their share of the improvement away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    Meaning one cannot "reason" with a Kalifornio.

    They know what they know, and the rest of the world just HAS to be wrong.

    Proof? Nowhere else in America is as f**ked-up!

    Y'all would LOVE to "fix that", cannot even understand why there is "pushback" from folk who would rather yah just KEEP your problems within yer own borders.

    We'll just have to get by with our lesser ones.
    Geez, Bill. You used to make sense. Once in a while even a factual basis rather than 5000 years of past anecdotes and opinions to share.

    I will give you an interesting factoid to ponder. There's a listing of which states have the highest percentages working in various occupations. For California, it's farmers and farm workers. For Virginia, it's psychologists.

    I suppose on an industry basis California is high tech, Virginia politicians and lobbyists. That noted, pretty sure the most F**ked-up state is still the one that legalizes it, Nevada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Geez, Bill. You used to make sense. Once in a while even a factual basis rather than 5000 years of past anecdotes and opinions to share.

    I will give you an interesting factoid to ponder. There's a listing of which states of the highest percentages of various occupations.

    For California, it's farmers and farm workers. For Virginia, it's psychologists.
    You mean I used to have more time to spare to toy with your fantasies for the entertainment in them?

    New world, now. Hard-core real one.

    Kalifornio political maneuvering and distracting irrelevancies are past their sell-by dates. Smelling more strongly each passing month of their own rot.

    The wise are abandoning that ship, and sooner, rather than later.

    That simple. The looter-lie-bore-all Bu Ci now smells rather than sells.

    JFDWT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanermo View Post
    Anyone and everyone can survive 1 month locked in.
    Have courage and try to keep a positive attitude.
    It is much better than the alternatives.
    I used to spend up to 3 months straight on a ship in the Southern Ocean. A month home isn't even a blip.

    Reminds me when one of my staff went for another job at a different marine organisation. At interview he was told the duties included going to sea for up to 3 weeks at a time and how he thought he'd cope. His reply was that for a voyage that short he probably wouldn't even bother unpacking his sea bag.

    Different strokes...

    We're under pretty tight movement restrictions & gatherings here. My take on it is that it was done maybe 3 weeks later than it should have been done. I made sure my food & fuel supplies were adequate before the middle of February. It wasn't hard to see the likelihood and definitely a case of better prepared than not.

    PDW

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    know nothing of the source.....but if true...

    whats good for the goose.

    President Trump requests absentee ballot - News - The Palm Beach Post - West Palm Beach, FL

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    My take on it is that it was done maybe 3 weeks later than it should have been done. I made sure my food & fuel supplies were adequate before the middle of February. It wasn't hard to see the likelihood and definitely a case of better prepared than not.

    PDW
    Pure accident that we started beefing-up already enduring stocks long before - off the back of it becoming hazardous for the family in HKG to get to some of their usual shops during the long-running riots.

    The flat there was well-stocked enough when they left for the US, end of January, it has kept the rest of the family in good supply. Favour was returned as it was cleaned and restocked just before they got back, late March, to go into 14-day quarantine.

    That there was SUCH a run on bum-fodder and NOT so much on foodstuffs? Dunno if that meant most folks were actually in good shape, already, on the OTHER, far more genuine essentials.. or just herd-minded STOOPID.

    Sadly, I'd have to trend toward STOOPID..

    Meanwhile, back at Chaos court, I was beefing up on tinned, dried, and pickled- fresh and frozen already out of space.


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    One of the heartbreaking aspects of this virus is how many medical personnel we're losing to it (frequently due to a lack of PPE or carelessness due to being so overworked):

    Neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins dies from complications of Covid-19 - CNN

    In China, health care workers are dying of coronavirus—and exhaustion | Advisory Board Daily Briefing

    South Florida doctor dies from new coronavirus, medical examiner confirms

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...y-doctor-dies/

    I read an opinion of how these workers deserve a parade after we're able to do such things again. I think they deserve a good deal more than that. Even more than soldiers, these are people putting themselves in harms way as a duty, but also as a love for their fellow humans.

    We need to remember and respect this. Part of that respect will mean spending money for stockpiles of medical PPE so we don't have to send them in harms way again unarmed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    One of the heartbreaking aspects of this virus is how many medical personnel we're losing to it (frequently due to a lack of PPE or carelessness due to being so overworked):

    Neurosurgeon who separated conjoined twins dies from complications of Covid-19 - CNN

    In China, health care workers are dying of coronavirus—and exhaustion | Advisory Board Daily Briefing

    South Florida doctor dies from new coronavirus, medical examiner confirms

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...y-doctor-dies/

    I read an opinion of how these workers deserve a parade after we're able to do such things again. I think they deserve a good deal more than that. Even more than soldiers, these are people putting themselves in harms way as a duty, but also as a love for their fellow humans.

    We need to remember and respect this. Part of that respect will mean spending money for stockpiles of medical PPE so we don't have to send them in harms way again unarmed!
    This is why why need national health care. Health needs to be treated like defense, on a national scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    I've seen large numbers of college age kids with out of state plates show up on election day ....
    Like those welfare queens diving the caddies, or the big bucks buying steaks with food stamps.
    Or, the nurses who want more masks so they can steal them.

    DJT is so full of shit he squeaks.

    Admit it scott your just scared of *any* democrat that has his vote counted.

    The squeeky-shit man might lose. Moscow Mitch maybe, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIP6A View Post
    This is why why need national health care. Health needs to be treated like defense, on a national scale.

    So they can just give the DNR order to the superfluous folks.

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