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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    If social distancing is the only factor then there are exceptions all around me.
    There is a saying in science.

    "The plural of anecdote is not data."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    [Yes, I am sure the social distancing is working. It is the one thing that is sure to work- centuries of human experience demonstrates.]

    Any thing we can do is a chance to help even if only a little..It is easier do do a little thing than facing death..

    I think distancing , washing hands, not touching everything, masks are all the first things and anything added wont hurt.

    Like eating and orange/cranberries or the like every day..being careful with mail ..washing new money..cant hurt and may be just the odd thing that keeps one alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    Pretty sure this is one of those very rare times when TT is right, it's the Korean Peninsula. Or are you making a joke I'm missing?
    some of the oldtimers might remember that there actually was a dutch contingent fighting in the korean war.
    so better believe that i know where the island of south korea is situated .
    (what would you call a country that one can only reach by boat or plane but not by land?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanruth View Post
    some of the oldtimers might remember that there actually was a dutch contingent fighting in the korean war.
    so better believe that i know where the island of south korea is situated .
    (what would you call a country that one can only reach by boat or plane but not by land?)
    I would call it a peninsula. It helps to know where it is also.

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    Hold on tight guys.
    Boris Johnson was just admitted to ICU.
    Every stricken person is a concern but we really don’t want to see loss of heads of state in these times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Hold on tight guys.
    Boris Johnson was just admitted to ICU.
    Every stricken person is a concern but we really don’t want to see loss of heads of state in these times.
    He's going to get access to the best care possible, but this could be a big wake-up for some people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    QT"[What can you expect?
    You got _(amazing) reality TV star as your head of state and Germany has a research scientist from quantum chemistry. ]

    We are such good friends with Germany that if they came up with something Trump would be on like a bear on honey.

    No I am not defending Trump, He speaks what comes first to his thoughts..often that is not a good thing.
    To his thoughts?
    you must be kidding, trump and thoughts , ludicrous idea....

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanruth View Post
    some of the oldtimers might remember that there actually was a dutch contingent fighting in the korean war.
    so better believe that i know where the island of south korea is situated .
    (what would you call a country that one can only reach by boat or plane but not by land?)
    It's a man-made limitation, not geographic. But I see your point.

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    TR -- Heads of state losing theirs and blaming it on you? With a bow to Kipling, seems that's already been happening.

    If only . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    You will need to advise me just how "social distancing" works.

    Is the virus much like a fire, that if the fuel is too sparse the flame just goes out? But what of the embers burning still, slowly glowing in the ashes. Waiting for the next breeze. First a choking smoke, And then the flame arises and kills you just the same.
    In your analogy, the embers are not the virus. The embers are the people. The virus is photons.

    You measure the virus with a thermometer held above the fire. In the center, where the embers are dense, the temperature is high. At the edges, where the embers are more sparse, the temperature is lower.

    Social distancing spreads out the embers, so the temperature everywhere is reduced to the level of the edges, rather than the hot spot in the center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    That's Hantavirus. Common in New Mexico and Arizona. The Navahos deal with it a lot.
    Also reasonably common here in Nordic countries. Luckily it is milder variant in here.
    Had it when I was 18. Fewer over 108F, kidneys shut down for few days, eyesight became so short-focused that I could see sharply only one feet ahead. First it shuts down your kidneys and after couple of days kicks them to overdrive. I was on IV fluids and I drank 12 liters (3 gallons) of liquids in 24 hours and my mouth felt dry as the Sahara.
    Afterwards kidneys still so sensitive that you had to bend at your knees in the elevator to soften the bumb..

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    why speak in analogies?

    stay home as much as possible...assume you are infected...assume others are.

    dont spread it...dont catch it...it buys time so our heathcare systems and personnell arent overwhelmed.

    purty simple concept....get out from behind the eight ball..wait..thats an analogy...

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    So a piece in support of tracking the source mechanisms:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...418-9/fulltext

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwananew10K View Post
    why speak in analogies?

    stay home as much as possible...assume you are infected...assume others are.

    dont spread it...dont catch it...it buys time so our heathcare systems and personnell arent overwhelmed.

    purty simple concept....get out from behind the eight ball..wait..thats an analogy...
    Except that may be great advice for retirees and welfare recipients but it has serious economic costs for people who have to physically go to work rather than telecommute. How long are people to "assume" they are infected and stay home? Another month? Three months? Six months? a year?

    We've never done this in response to a disease in our entire history. Travel between communities has been restricted during outbreaks but never have people been told to stay in their homes indefinitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    He's going to get access to the best care possible, but this could be a big wake-up for some people...
    From what appears to be the progression of this virus, once you go to ICU, even with the best possible medical care, the outcome is dire. If BJ ends up on a ventilator he likely will not survive.

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    as far as i know i can go out all i like.
    no police at my door clubbin me in the head when i open it.
    no boot on my car.
    most things open with reasonable precautions in place.

    but im not gonna unless i gotta.

    its the pain we gotta endure for not being prepared or gettin ahead of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    From what appears to be the progression of this virus, once you go to ICU, even with the best possible medical care, the outcome is dire. If BJ ends up on a ventilator he likely will not survive.
    If they can't keep him alive it doesn't look good for the rest of us. I think he didn't take it seriously enough in the early days. I'm not sure he's been keeping himself in good shape either.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanruth View Post
    some of the oldtimers might remember that there actually was a dutch contingent fighting in the korean war.
    so better believe that i know where the island of south korea is situated .
    (what would you call a country that one can only reach by boat or plane but not by land?)
    Just to be clear on your thinking.

    Because some very old Dutchmen fought in a conflict before your time, You should of course Know a particular geography. OK...

    And then, you conflate " difficult due to political and social restrictions" with "can only".

    This is getting confusing, perhaps it is the language use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Hold on tight guys.
    Boris Johnson was just admitted to ICU.
    Every stricken person is a concern but we really don’t want to see loss of heads of state in these times.
    Yeah, when he got it it was like, 'Hey how's it feel blondy' but when I saw he was in ICU, not funny any more. Bad percentages when you get that far

    AS with everyone, best to him and his family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    In your analogy, the embers are not the virus. The embers are the people. The virus is photons.

    You measure the virus with a thermometer held above the fire. In the center, where the embers are dense, the temperature is high. At the edges, where the embers are more sparse, the temperature is lower.

    Social distancing spreads out the embers, so the temperature everywhere is reduced to the level of the edges, rather than the hot spot in the center.
    I see your point, but the measurement does not put the fire out, and so the entire amount of fuel burns regardless.

    It's only a matter of time.


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