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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    I can only hope that Trump and all his corrupt co-conspirators also end up penny-less and dying in jail... just like Boss Tweed. That would be justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim9lives View Post
    I can only hope that Trump and all his corrupt co-conspirators also end up penny-less and dying in jail... just like Boss Tweed. That would be justice.
    Are all qty (267) post's of yours filled with piss & vinegar sir ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Who is switching side, his incompetence is shown, again, by his incompetent pick for Navy Secretary

    Entirely consistent
    The President is neither 'the military' nor 'the government'

    I 'trash' him because I respect the military and the government

    your vote for him shows you respect neither
    “Entirely consistent

    The President is neither 'the military' nor 'the government”

    “ your vote for him shows you respect neither[/QUOTE]”

    I do not agree most of the time with you nor vice versa. That is OK because you also mention other topics. They can be pretty good.

    Now think about the quote above and note that even if I believed your side it would be impossible for me to know every future thing Trump or even that you might do from that point on.

    I would settle for the gift of prophesy for sure yet I have never had it.I would have to be Edgar Cayce to vote knowing anyone might do anything in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    If Trump is responsible for the 12K CV deaths in the US, who is responsible for the 56K CV deaths in Europe?

    Is that also Trump's fault?
    You knew what the answer would likely be. To hear them praise themselves as they all claim to have known what would happen. At least as would happen in the criticism of the Pres. It is fair to conclude such persons would attack the president. I think they are disappointed that Trump has a Thick skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I did not criticize anyone.

    I already know you blame Trump for the 12000 deaths in America.

    I just want to know who you blame for the 56000 deaths in Europe.

    Are those deaths also the fault of Donald Trump?
    Lol 1+1=2.

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    the dude that cant handle a SNL skit has a thick skin?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    You knew what the answer would likely be.
    I knew I would not get an answer. I think Trump has done a great job as far as the actions taken, and a poor job at the podium explaining.

    A very good sign- the IHME model has received another major update. That's the second one this week.

    Decrease in beds needed from 141,000 to 94,000. (original projection was 262,000)
    Decrease in peak deaths from 3,300 on April 16 to 2,200 on April 12.
    Decrease total deaths from 91,000 to 60,000.

    Keep up the good work people.

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    Likely if they come up with a corona drug better than the malaria drug many /some will say told you Trump was wrong.

    So, Missing/ignoring that it saved lives.

    Love it how the news likes to turn things around.

    My take is that if it only saved 10% that is better than nothing..

    Seems it saves more that that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    T

    The States have always had the option to purchase supplies through their regular supply chains.
    Until the feds confiscate it

    already posted here

    So, that is a lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    “Entirely consistent

    The President is neither 'the military' nor 'the government”

    “ your vote for him shows you respect neither

    I do not agree most of the time with you nor vice versa. That is OK because you also mention other topics. They can be pretty good.

    Now think about the quote above and note that even if I believed your side it would be impossible for me to know every future thing Trump or even that you might do from that point on.

    I would settle for the gift of prophesy for sure yet I have never had it.I would have to be Edgar Cayce to vote knowing anyone might do anything in advance.
    The man is an immoral idiot

    he has bankrupted multiple businesses, a freakin casino

    cheating is not his second nature, it is his first nature

    he is a game show host


    Yes, this is entirely predictable

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I knew I would not get an answer. I think Trump has done a great job as far as the actions taken, and a poor job at the podium explaining.

    A very good sign- the IHME model has received another major update. That's the second one this week.

    Decrease in beds needed from 141,000 to 94,000. (original projection was 262,000)
    Decrease in peak deaths from 3,300 on April 16 to 2,200 on April 12.
    Decrease total deaths from 91,000 to 60,000.

    Keep up the good work people.
    My understanding is that the IHME model was based on the populations of major cities, then applied to the whole country, which if the case, it was bound to overestimate the deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I knew I would not get an answer. I think Trump has done a great job as far as the actions taken, and a poor job at the podium explaining.
    It's time you shared who your drug dealer is. I could use some of that mindblast-mixture to tune myself out from reality too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Likely if they come up with a corona drug better than the malaria drug many /some will say told you Trump was wrong.

    So, Missing/ignoring that it saved lives.

    Love it how the news likes to turn things around.

    My take is that if it only saved 10% that is better than nothing..

    Seems it saves more that that.
    trump is wrong period, because he is touting an unproven drug with known side effects

    that is always wrong, regardless of whether it is proven effective at a later date.

    If he were touting, say aspirin, a common drug that I think most people are aware of their ability to use or not, that be within the range of acceptable.

    I bring up aspirin, because there is work out there that some [ibuprofin?] drug or another makes it worse

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    As far as coronavirus and the President's unhappiness with the World Health Organization he is not the only one questioning how they handled things from the beginning. As we provide the biggest chunk of their funding we have every reason to question how this turned into a crisis and how many times did they get things wrong.

    I hope he also demands explanations from the CDC and NIAID for their roles in several serious mistakes.

    One thing currently fueling a great deal of anger towards the CDC is their handling of the mask issue.

    First they asked ordinary people not to buy and wear masks, but to save them for those who needed them.

    Then, as the media was inundated with stories of first responders running short of PPE millions of people donated gear they had previously purchased for protection against dust and other work or hobby related use.

    At that point they suggested that "everyone should wear a mask", leading to a run on the few still available. Now, those who did just as they were asked to and avoided buying them stand out as "lepers" amongst the (hoarder) hordes wearing masks when standing in line at grocery stores and other places. BETRAYAL is the word that comes to mind and a second round of betrayal is being widely proposed. The current trend in the media is numerous "experts" suggesting that "medical passports" based on the presence of antibodies to COVID-19 would be the basis for who would be ALLOWED to go back to work. The phrase "back to work" implies that these are the "non-essential" people forcibly quarantined by government edict and since the stated purpose of the stay-at-home orders was to avoid EXPOSURE to the virus most of them likely have no such antibodies.

    yet another case of "obey the rules, do as you are asked" and get Fucked over for complying. Under this scenario some people could remain "locked-down" for eighteen months or longer, the likely delay for a vaccine to be developed and tested.

    No other word but BETRAYAL can describe these actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I knew I would not get an answer. I think Trump has done a great job as far as the actions taken, and a poor job at the podium explaining.

    A very good sign- the IHME model has received another major update. That's the second one this week.

    Decrease in beds needed from 141,000 to 94,000. (original projection was 262,000)
    Decrease in peak deaths from 3,300 on April 16 to 2,200 on April 12.
    Decrease total deaths from 91,000 to 60,000.

    Keep up the good work people.
    You got an answer.

    And yes, I blame their gov'ts for responding poorly, but they do not affect me personally

    trumpski does

    He is supposed to be better, but he is in every way worse, his response incompetent, his advisors more worried about angering him than doing their job

    NO he has not handled this well, from day one

    Ban on Chinese, racist red meat for his fans, but serves zero purpose. Why?

    because the Chinese were not more apt to carry the virus, and no effective screening was set up

    thousands upon thousands of people from outside the country were let in effectively unscreened, while other countries who have more effectively handled the outbreak were taking simple measures that prevented the loss of life

    His CDC totally bungling the test, refusing WHO tests and screwing up 'out' test

    tick tock tick tock

    then

    BOOM

    The Governors have led, trumpski has followed, and fought them


    Fail

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    My understanding is that the IHME model was based on the populations of major cities, then applied to the whole country, which if the case, it was bound to overestimate the deaths.
    Originally the model assumed all major metro areas would be similar to New York. The rural areas were always treated separately. Obviously, the attack rate would be affected on social density.

    Resource use was always way overstated, possibly some bias there due to the modelers being medical academics. I don't mean that in a derogatory way- I think they naturally assumed the worst case scenario when it comes to the demands on the health care system.

    Since that model is the one that both State and Federal gov't uses to plan surge capacity, it's a good sign that the updates are in the downward direction, wouldn't you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    trump is wrong period, because he is touting an unproven drug with known side effects

    that is always wrong, regardless of whether it is proven effective at a later date.

    If he were touting, say aspirin, a common drug that I think most people are aware of their ability to use or not, that be within the range of acceptable.

    I bring up aspirin, because there is work out there that some [ibuprofin?] drug or another makes it worse
    Stop lying! While it may be "unproven" for COVID-19 there is over 70 years experience with that drug and its predecessor and some of the more serious side effects such as retinal damage generally don't occur except after repeated high doses and long-term use. The cardiac issues are relatively rare and frequent monitoring by electrocardiograms can give early warning that the patient is at risk.

    It is blatantly obvious that there are those who don't want successful treatment so they can point to increasing body counts as an excuse to implement their agendas. That such people would unnecessarily sacrifice numerous lives in order to achieve their goals is yet one more example of why I say that if they were ever totally honest about their goals and methods people would run screaming from them as the monsters they really are.

    At this point, with patients facing death by suffocation any treatment that might possibly save the patient should not be dismissed as "risky".

    You can't have it both ways. If this virus really IS as deadly as claimed then extraordinary measures to save patients are justified and so are the risk of side effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    I knew I would not get an answer. I think Trump has done a great job as far as the actions taken, and a poor job at the podium explaining.

    A very good sign- the IHME model has received another major update. That's the second one this week.

    Decrease in beds needed from 141,000 to 94,000. (original projection was 262,000)
    Decrease in peak deaths from 3,300 on April 16 to 2,200 on April 12.
    Decrease total deaths from 91,000 to 60,000.

    Keep up the good work people.
    The IHME modeling has revealed a bit of self-interest in a continuing crisis (somewhat like HHS being threatened by any end to poverty and dependency).

    In any case, here's a statistic to put things in perspective: Deaths per month by COVID-19 are trailing heart disease, cancer, flu, asthma, bronchitis, emphysema, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes and even drug overdoses.

    For whatever reason or combination of reasons, COVID-19/Wuhan Flu/Bat-soup virus is failing to justify the mass freakout, not to mention the economic consequences of people being sent home who aren't gonna have a job to come back to. That plays into some people's hands because it's the only way they can remotely blame Trump for hard times (known also as Hooverizing"). As the threat levels off and, sooner or later, undeniably subsides, the more sense it makes to start the country back up again. Cruel and unfeeling? Not really—the greater good and all that...

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    Jared Kushner

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwananew10K View Post
    Jared Kushner
    LOL! Time for a fresh game? I don't see the lucky bastid as having a lot to complain about.

    Reminds me of the Mountaineer who comes to have a word with his Mum, crushed. Seems the young fellow had fallen arse over teakettle in love with a lovely local girl and she with him.

    Then his Dad - vehemently opposed to the marriage, finally admitted WHY his Son MUST NOT marry her, "Coz his Dad had been randy "back in the day" and was actually the girl's FATHER. Not wise to marry even a half-sister. Kids are likely to be sick.

    Hearty laugh from the Mother.

    "You two go right ahead and marry!" "No such risk!"

    "I've know all along he Fathered the girl. Her Mum is my best friend."

    "What HE doesn't know is that he is HER father. But he isn't YOUR Father!"

    ===

    'Jared Kushner?"

    What did he know? And when did he know it?

    Statistics show America is running critically short of lies since they started rejecting Chinese ones off the back of substandard build quality and shoddy raw material.

    The shortage has gone serious enough the Media are even recyling the ones the Democrats have already worn out so bad yah can see gravel, mud, and trouble coming right through the floorboards.

    Next contestant, please.

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