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    Nice lathes, all of them. Nice buy Michael, it's good to know that there are still lathes like that in this neck of the woods. Dave

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    Default DS&G Lathes

    Just beautiful. Thank you for sharing the photos. I love to see fine old machines well kept. There is always something beautiful about fine English machines that take them beyond their technology. Jaguar XKE sport cars. Brough Superior Motorcycles. Rolls Royce Merlin Engines and DS&G Lathes. Timeless classics that look great decades later. The hard part is finding them in great shape in the first place!

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    Nice Lathe. I've got a Model 13-1 (13 x 42), and the only problem I've had with it is figuring out which lever to move to get the correct pitch/feed (DS&G owners will know what I'm talking about).

    I noticed you're in Canada also. I get my DS&G parts from Hove Machine Services located in Wasaga Beach, Ontario. Dave's a decent guy to deal with (he's the DS&G parts man for Ontario).

    As a side bar in other threads people have been looking for a decent oil gun for their European equipment and Hove got me a DS&G replacement oil gun for $48.00Can. I thought it was a good deal considering it came from the Uk.

    Dave

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    Oh man, thanks for posting the pics. They go straight to my tool porn collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dharnell View Post
    Nice Lathe. I've got a Model 13-1 (13 x 42), and the only problem I've had with it is figuring out which lever to move to get the correct pitch/feed (DS&G owners will know what I'm talking about).

    Dave
    Unfortunately not an owner, but I've used them,...bit like a Wurlitzer aren't they

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    Quote Originally Posted by dharnell View Post
    Nice Lathe. I've got a Model 13-1 (13 x 42), and the only problem I've had with it is figuring out which lever to move to get the correct pitch/feed (DS&G owners will know what I'm talking about)....

    As a side bar in other threads people have been looking for a decent oil gun for their European equipment and Hove got me a DS&G replacement oil gun for $48.00Can. I thought it was a good deal considering it came from the Uk.

    Dave
    Dave thank you for the oil gun information. Michael and I discussed the pneumatic version but neither of us has anything to show that I know of.

    The chart selector gives you the required information:
    D or E on one lever
    A - B - C
    Thread IN or Out
    Normal or Coarse
    Threading engaged.
    Make you have the right change wheels.

    Yeh, there are quite a few permutations and combinations but then only one is right for the job.

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    Wow, what a machine!! Looks like something I'd love to have some day. Right after I win the lottery.

    Here's one on Ebay now:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...link:middle:us

    Ryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Harvie View Post
    Below is a picture of a Dean smith and grace that is for sale at a local shop. They got another CNC and need the room so this has to go and soon . If any one is interested it is priced very low and the shop will load it on a truck or trailor free. If any one is interested you can contact me at [email protected] The lathe is a 17 by 36 and includes a 3 jaw and a steady rest that are not seen in the picture as well it has taper attachment
    I have almost the identical lathe to that one, maybe just a little older. Mine has seen a lot of service and I need to spend some time on sorting it out, but it's still a nice machine to use and does what I need.

    Tim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Harvie View Post
    Below is a picture of a Dean smith and grace that is for sale at a local shop. They got another CNC and need the room so this has to go and soon . If any one is interested it is priced very low and the shop will load it on a truck or trailor free. If any one is interested you can contact me at [email protected] The lathe is a 17 by 36 and includes a 3 jaw and a steady rest that are not seen in the picture as well it has taper attachment
    The 17 36 in the pic appears to have an extra feature I've not seen before, a shaft coming from the front of the head stock, passing through the saddle wings to a cantilevered bracket on the TS end. Anyone know what it's for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    The 17 36 in the pic appears to have an extra feature I've not seen before, a shaft coming from the front of the head stock, passing through the saddle wings to a cantilevered bracket on the TS end. Anyone know what it's for?

    Mine has the feed & leadscrew reverse lever at that point on the headstock, maybe it's something to do with a rapid threading facility, or just an extension of that control onto the carriage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    The 17 36 in the pic appears to have an extra feature I've not seen before, a shaft coming from the front of the head stock, passing through the saddle wings to a cantilevered bracket on the TS end. Anyone know what it's for?
    Thread relieving attachment ? If I told you any more I'd have to kill you.Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    Thread relieving attachment ? If I told you any more I'd have to kill you.Regards Tyrone.
    A (hob & tap) relieving attachment was certainly an option on some DSG models, but my money is still on it operating the leadscrew clutch. It's a single tooth dog clutch, handy for awkward threading jobs, and if you look closely at the bar in question there seem to be two moveable clamps one either side of the carriage. My guess is that these are adjustable stops which disengage the clutch if the carriage contacts them.

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    My money is on a single point dog clutch also.You can see the adjustable trip collars on the shaft.The relieving attachment drive comes out the headstock parallel to and behind the spindle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Rider View Post
    Wow, what a machine!! Looks like something I'd love to have some day. Right after I win the lottery.

    Here's one on Ebay now:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...link:middle:us

    Ryan
    Ryan,
    Don't touch the eBay machine. In his first listing last year he made all kinds of claims to which I made a response. Now his shipping price is meant to trap someone. He has never run the machine so who knows what condition it really is in.

    Raymond

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    Nice looking but probably well used DSG for sale here.

    What sort of chuck does it have??? http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/?advert_id=3575

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDL View Post
    Ryan,
    Don't touch the eBay machine. In his first listing last year he made all kinds of claims to which I made a response. Now his shipping price is meant to trap someone. He has never run the machine so who knows what condition it really is in.

    Raymond
    I appreciate the advice, Raymond! I wasn't going to have anything to do with it anyway...just wanted to see if anything was out there.

    Ryan

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    I agree with those who say it looks very much like a shaft for leadscrew reversing from the apron, using a single tooth clutch in the headstock.

    The shaft both turns and displaces endwise, either action causing the clutches to toggle to the other threading direction. Normally feeds can also be reversed the same way.

    Stop collars on the shaft allow threading up to a shoulder, and the lever turns the shaft, allowing manual reversing of the threading direction at will, without disengaging the half nuts, without losing the registration with the thread being cut (even if a different 'language' from the leadscrew) and without stopping the spindle.

    I've often wondered why DSG didn't offer this, which was available on most toolroom lathes of this quality level, but from the look of this photo it seems they probably did, at least on some models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .RC. View Post
    Nice looking but probably well used DSG for sale here.

    What sort of chuck does it have??? http://www.machines4u.com.au/view/?advert_id=3575
    I'd go with a Taylor chuck, seem to be quite highly rated, with which I'd agree with, mine'seons old and still does all I ask of it.

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/taylor/page6.html

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    Thank You for the chuck information Limy. My DS&G came with the same type of chuck,but nobody around here had been able to identify the chuck for me. The university where I purchased the lathe were the original owners of the lathe and had never installed the chuck in 43 years. I've played with it since purchasing the lathe and the low run out amazes me.

    Dave

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    here is one in Montreal, they just bought it at a government auction for $2100.00 Kanuck bucks. Asking price is $6500.00! How is that for retail markup?

    http://www.seguinmach.com/seguin/pro...oducts_id=1368


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