JasonPAtkins
Hot Rolled
- Joined
- Sep 30, 2010
- Location
- Guinea-Bissau, West Africa
Hey all,
First of all, I'm in remote West Africa, no liability laws here, I know we normally wouldn't make parts for brakes because of liability, etc. Doesn't apply here, no need to COA your reply. (Unless you see an actual safety problem, then I'm all ears.)
My 2011 Chevy Avalanche has, each of the last couple of rainy seasons, developed a problem with sticky brake caliper pistons. Last year when it happened it was the passenger rear, and I took the caliper apart, replaced the seal/boot, and hit the plastic piston with some 600 grit sandpaper on the lathe until the fit was looser (stiff but easily movable by hand). It worked fine, but I just noticed that side has chewed up its pads way too early, and upon taking it apart, found once again that the piston is very stiff in the caliper. Couldn't budge it by hand even with the caliper disconnected.
Our climate here has a strange mix of crazy heat and humidity during the rainy season, followed by quite dry after, and so I'm suspicious that maybe whatever kind of plastic this is, is swelling in the humidity maybe? (Why doesn't it do that against the humidity of the brake fluid, I don't know??) Anyway, I want a permanent fix this time, rather than sanding it down to size only to have it swell again next year.
So, I'd like to turn a new pair of pistons (single-piston calipers time two sides).
The caliper piston seems like it was originally 2". As it is right now, the end that's deepest in the bore mics at 2.001 and the part that's regularly engaged with the seal, closer to the pads is 2.007". I stuck a 2" punch (as a gage pin, lol) in, and it's a nice snug fit against the cylinder seal, so I think the piston nominal OD should be 2.000"?
I have both SS (scrap yard, unsure of the grade) or 6061 available for the project. I'd prefer to make it out of AL if that's strong enough, just because of how much easier it is to work with. A quick scan online showed many sports cars using AL brake caliper pistons, so I figure it must be done? Also, either SS or 6061 are going to be a lot tougher than the plastic this part is replacing. The caliper body appears to be cast AL, so I figure AL also has the advantage of similar thermal expansion characteristics as the body it's being used in. Any objections to the choice of 6061 instead of mystery SS?
Lastly, what do I need to know about important geometry on the part? Should it be a straight cylinder, or should there be a little taper like my plastic part currently has? (No idea if it did from the factory or not.) The current parts has a big fat counterbore in the end that contacts the pad, but the pad doesn't need it (the part of the pad it contacts is flat). Reproduce this counterbore in the metal part, or just leave it solid?
Thanks a lot for any informed opinions!
(The parts will be made on a manual lathe, in case that influences anyone's advice.)
First of all, I'm in remote West Africa, no liability laws here, I know we normally wouldn't make parts for brakes because of liability, etc. Doesn't apply here, no need to COA your reply. (Unless you see an actual safety problem, then I'm all ears.)
My 2011 Chevy Avalanche has, each of the last couple of rainy seasons, developed a problem with sticky brake caliper pistons. Last year when it happened it was the passenger rear, and I took the caliper apart, replaced the seal/boot, and hit the plastic piston with some 600 grit sandpaper on the lathe until the fit was looser (stiff but easily movable by hand). It worked fine, but I just noticed that side has chewed up its pads way too early, and upon taking it apart, found once again that the piston is very stiff in the caliper. Couldn't budge it by hand even with the caliper disconnected.
Our climate here has a strange mix of crazy heat and humidity during the rainy season, followed by quite dry after, and so I'm suspicious that maybe whatever kind of plastic this is, is swelling in the humidity maybe? (Why doesn't it do that against the humidity of the brake fluid, I don't know??) Anyway, I want a permanent fix this time, rather than sanding it down to size only to have it swell again next year.
So, I'd like to turn a new pair of pistons (single-piston calipers time two sides).
The caliper piston seems like it was originally 2". As it is right now, the end that's deepest in the bore mics at 2.001 and the part that's regularly engaged with the seal, closer to the pads is 2.007". I stuck a 2" punch (as a gage pin, lol) in, and it's a nice snug fit against the cylinder seal, so I think the piston nominal OD should be 2.000"?
I have both SS (scrap yard, unsure of the grade) or 6061 available for the project. I'd prefer to make it out of AL if that's strong enough, just because of how much easier it is to work with. A quick scan online showed many sports cars using AL brake caliper pistons, so I figure it must be done? Also, either SS or 6061 are going to be a lot tougher than the plastic this part is replacing. The caliper body appears to be cast AL, so I figure AL also has the advantage of similar thermal expansion characteristics as the body it's being used in. Any objections to the choice of 6061 instead of mystery SS?
Lastly, what do I need to know about important geometry on the part? Should it be a straight cylinder, or should there be a little taper like my plastic part currently has? (No idea if it did from the factory or not.) The current parts has a big fat counterbore in the end that contacts the pad, but the pad doesn't need it (the part of the pad it contacts is flat). Reproduce this counterbore in the metal part, or just leave it solid?
Thanks a lot for any informed opinions!
(The parts will be made on a manual lathe, in case that influences anyone's advice.)