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    Default Excello Ex-Cell-O XLO model 602 manual

    Not sure if this is the correct place to post this. If not I apologize.

    Back in early March I acquired an older Excello 602 mill. Through this forum I was able to locate a manual for it although it actually covered the later model 602 but it was still handy to have. One of the problems with the manual however was the poor quality of the reproduction.

    Well recently I managed to buy a good condition manual on eBay for the earlier model 602 mills. Yesterday I took the time to scan the manual at 300 dpi in color. This made for a very good reproduction of the manual in PDF format.

    For those of you with earlier 602 mills and would like a good copy of the manual you will find the pages located at the links below. Each scan includes two pages and they run about 1.5 meg each in size. There are 18 links for you to download.

    If you print them out you will need to print them on 11 x 17 paper.

    I hope this helps someone when working on or repairing their 602 mill.

    Enjoy!

    Brad

    http://campkahler.com/files/xlo-5267...front-back.pdf

    http://campkahler.com/files/xlo-5267...2672-index.pdf

    http://campkahler.com/files/xlo-5267...2-page-2-3.pdf

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    Thanks for the manual. We have an old XLO, and it will be nice to have a manual for it.

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    I have several original manuals for the model 602 available. Send PM if interested.

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    Great scans! Very high quality. Thanks

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    Default weight of Excello

    Hello
    I may be purchasing an Excello mill and was curious if anyone knows of it's overall weight.
    I have to put it into my basement and have already done so with 2 lathes and a heavy mill, but hope this one is a bit lighter
    I have to break it down, so the base dimensions and weight is what concerns me the most.....or scares me the most, depending on how you look at it
    thanks for your time
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by henny View Post
    Hello
    I may be purchasing an Excello mill and was curious if anyone knows of it's overall weight.
    I have to put it into my basement and have already done so with 2 lathes and a heavy mill, but hope this one is a bit lighter
    I have to break it down, so the base dimensions and weight is what concerns me the most.....or scares me the most, depending on how you look at it

    thanks for your time
    Tom
    Tom,

    The earlier 602 mills like mine weighs in the neighborhood of 3100 lbs. The later machines that do not have the XLO on the front of the head probably weight around 2800 lbs.

    Broken down into sections the base is going to be the heaviest item you will have to deal with, although I found the knee to be the most difficult to handle. It's awkward in shape and no easy points to lift from. I just finished reassembling my mill after having dismantled it for cleaning and repairs.

    Since you have to break it down to get into your basement I would highly recommend a thorough cleaning while you're at it. After I had removed the knee from my mill I found it to be filled full of caked dirt/mud. As near as I can tell it must have sat through a flood sometime in its past that was about 2' deep.

    If you want physical dimensions I can measure mine in the morning and post them.


    Brad
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    Quote Originally Posted by southbendmark View Post
    Nice scans! Just an FYI. If you don't have access to a 11x17 printer you can get the same manual from Ozarkwoodworker.com here:
    You have 11 posts here on Practical Machinist, all hawking Ozarkwoodworking.

    I think you're supposed to pay Don for advertising. Plus, many of your manuals are illegal copies of Copyrighted materials -- Cincinnati-Milacron owns the rights to the Excello parts and manuals

    So please explain what value you add for $45 to print out manuals like these?

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    Plus, many of your manuals are illegal copies of Copyrighted materials -- Cincinnati-Milacron owns the rights to the Excello parts and manuals
    Interesting....so when I called Excello in Michigan and they sent me a copy of the manual for my 602 mill, they were infringing on their own copyright? Does Cincinnati-Milacron own Excello now?
    Dean

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanQ View Post
    Does Cincinnati-Milacron own Excello now?
    Dean
    Dean,

    I'm not sure who "owns" Excello now but I do know a gentleman by the name of John McCartney in Toronto bought out either the factory stock of spares or several dealers because he has a lot of spare parts and also the engineering drawings for the parts.

    I've found him to be a good resource for Excello parts and information. He was able to tell me who my mill was sold too which I found interesting.

    His business is called Cartech and he can be reached at 416-222-6504. He's a nice guy and will talk your ear off.

    Brad

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeanQ View Post
    Interesting....so when I called Excello in Michigan and they sent me a copy of the manual for my 602 mill, they were infringing on their own copyright? Does Cincinnati-Milacron own Excello now?
    Dean
    Excello (a Canadian company) went out of business over a decade ago. MAG Industries, the parent company of Cincinnati-Milacron, bought the rights and provides parts, manuals and services for Excello.

    They have an office in Sterling Heights, Michigan, which is probably where you called:

    MAG - The Global Machine Tool Manufacturer: Rebuild, Retrofit and Remanufacture

    MAG also owns Giddings and Lewis, and a bunch of other old American Iron.

    "southbendmark" is Ray Robertson -- the owner of Ozarkwoodworking. He's "toolmaker45" on HomeshopMachinist Forum. He trolls all the machinist forums and Yahoo groups, spamming his pirate copies of manuals and downloading every online copy he can find.

    Ray also sells illegitimate manuals for Southbend, Hardinge, Bridgport, Harig, Atlas, Logan... All of which are still in copyright and still sold by the original owners for considerably less than Ray sells his copies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKahler View Post
    Tom,

    The earlier 602 mills like mine weighs in the neighborhood of 3100 lbs. The later machines that do not have the XLO on the front of the head probably weight around 2800 lbs.


    If you want physical dimensions I can measure mine in the morning and post them.


    Brad
    Hi Brad
    I would appreciate just a basic idea of the size and weight of the base if at all possible(overall height of your mill also)
    I have not seen the mill yet , but will in another week or so. I made a deal on a lathe I saw, plus quite a bit of tooling. The lathe is an old Colchester, but I have one the same and alreay got it down inot the basement. Also have one mill down there, but it almost had to be shoehorned in
    Since I have some equipment running already, I will take my time to clean and repair any damage to the mill as it goes back together
    thanks again
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by henny View Post
    Hi Brad
    I would appreciate just a basic idea of the size and weight of the base if at all possible(overall height of your mill also)
    I have not seen the mill yet , but will in another week or so. I made a deal on a lathe I saw, plus quite a bit of tooling. The lathe is an old Colchester, but I have one the same and alreay got it down inot the basement. Also have one mill down there, but it almost had to be shoehorned in
    Since I have some equipment running already, I will take my time to clean and repair any damage to the mill as it goes back together
    thanks again
    Tom
    Tom,

    The base is 36" deep, 25" wide & 48" tall. I'm guessing it weights somewhere between 700 & 900 lbs. The knee is 23" deep, 13" wide & 19" tall and probably weights close to 500 lbs.

    I'm assuming all Excello's had the two holes in the upper half of the base. I found that real convenient to stick a 1-1/2" iron pipe to use for lifting. I'm guessing you could use it for something similar for lowering it down steps on runners.

    By all means take pictures as you're moving it into the basement! Should make for some interesting shots

    Brad

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    Thanks very much Brad for the dimensions. The 25 in dimension will cause me a little extra work, but I can get it in
    You see the thing is, I don't have a walkout basement and have to come in through a window which is 54 in off the floor
    It can be done, I already did it in October when I had to bring all of my stuff in. Everyone said I was either crazy, they had a bad back or that it just couldn't be done. Well it can be and I had to do it all by myself
    The base of the tracer mill was the heaviest and first thing I did. The casting was quite high
    The colchester lathe was lighter at 2,300 lbs. This time it will be a bit easier as I have a better set up for setting things in the basement now and I can take my time doing so
    Hopefully I get the mill, but won't know for a week or so, I am buying the other lathe for sure, just have not seen the mill yet to commit to the deal
    I will let you know and if I get it, I will make sure to take pics this time. Last time all I took was Rolaids and tylenol
    thanks again
    Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKahler View Post
    By all means take pictures as you're moving it into the basement! Should make for some interesting shots
    Here are mine. Late (last) model 602:







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    Wow , your's is in a heck of a lot better shape than mine was.

    Here are the before and after pictures of my 602. Overall time to rework was about a year of off and on changes to work on it.

    img_1308.jpg imag0382x.jpg

    Brad

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    Looks heavy......already started eating Rolaids in anticipation of my next equipment move..and it's winter here
    I used an Excello when I worked in Toronto and really liked it. I never knew they were made up here or that they no longer made them now

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    Quote Originally Posted by henny View Post
    Looks heavy......already started eating Rolaids in anticipation of my next equipment move..and it's winter here
    I used an Excello when I worked in Toronto and really liked it. I never knew they were made up here or that they no longer made them now
    Granted my backhoe is old (1961 case 530) but once I picked up the mill, power steering was non-existent. It took everything I had to turn the tractor towards the shop entrance.

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    Good luck!

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    I was able to see the mill today and am buying it. It has a spacer/riser on it, which will make it difficult to fit in my basement, so I may have to leave it out on re assembly

    I also will be getting a Doall surface grinder and some other tooling. I first have to get the lathe out, since it is in his way
    Business is slow Jan/Feb, soI have to take advantage of the time, despite the fact that is is winter here Going to be a fun filled month

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    Quote Originally Posted by henny View Post
    I was able to see the mill today and am buying it. It has a spacer/riser on it, which will make it difficult to fit in my basement, so I may have to leave it out on re assembly

    I also will be getting a Doall surface grinder and some other tooling. I first have to get the lathe out, since it is in his way
    Business is slow Jan/Feb, soI have to take advantage of the time, despite the fact that is is winter here Going to be a fun filled month
    Wow, are you saying the mill and surface grinder are being moved into your basement? If I was in your neighborhood I would would be more than willing to help.

    Good luck!

    Brad

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    I have the mill here now as well as the Doall surface grinder. A friend is coming Sun morning with his back hoe to help me lift it off the trailer . He will help lift it off in pieces if I can have it unbolted
    I have to get it in the basement window, but have a better system than I had before.
    The mill has XLO on the front, so it must be the heavier one..........just my luck
    I put the Colchester in the basement about 3-4 weeks ago (2,300 lbs)

    Snowing bad today, but sat/sun is going to be clear.......then bad on monday again
    will be a fun filled weekend


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