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    Home | Dotson Iron Castings

    I think these guys cast some stuff for Kurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    Not according to the link I posted in post #11. Here it is again: Complying with the Made in USA Standard | Federal Trade Commission
    A vise is like the pipe wrench or gold ring in the examples.
    excerpt from that link:
    Wrong, a swing and a miss.
    The in US work time and in-house costs exceed the base import.
    Vises are not made of gold and the import casting is not a almost finished product like a pipe wrench.
    It is value in dollars to the end product not weight or mass.
    A body die may start out as a 60,000 lb piece of steel from across the pond. When done here it is made in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Wrong, a swing and a miss.
    The in US work time and in-hose costs exceed the base import.
    Vises are not made of gold and the import casting is not a almost finished product like a pipe wrench.
    It is value in dollars to the end product not weight or mass.
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    So are you trying to say kurt is using foreign or china castings and claiming it is made in USA?

    Vise bodies are not much different than the pipe wrench handles in the example. More about how far back in the process the material is.
    The vise is cast then machined, then assembled. The way I read the FTC regs the casting must come from USA to be called "Made in USA" Since the casting IS the part, unlike the computer part metal....

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    Perfect fit for my baby Clausing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    So are you trying to say kurt is using foreign or china castings and claiming it is made in USA?

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    I have no idea where Kurt sources to.
    There is no carbide powder made in the USA anymore and even most rod and other is offshore yet many label products as made in the USA.
    The value added here swamps the raw material cost.
    By your logic there is no made in the USA endmill or drill.
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    Here is a link to a video we made of our factory in Minneapolis, Minnesota: YouTube. You can also go to our home page to view it Kurt Workholding | Precision Vises | Workholding Vises.

    Yes Dotson in Mankato, Minnesota does doe a good deal of castings for us.

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    I own two Kurt vises and a few of their accessories. I do have a set of jaws from Kurt that are imports....from Switzerland

    Rare but I had one part from them that did not pass my inspection, they overnighted a replacement no questions asked and did not ask me to return the old one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skanekurt View Post
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    Yes Dotson in Mankato, Minnesota does doe a good deal of castings for us.
    I have always like Kurt products for a very long time.
    Yet explain a good deal of castings vs 100% in the US.
    No HSS or carbide cutting tool made can be 100% USA made from start to finish. It is not possible anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jancollc View Post
    "Made is the USA" is what the FTC calls an "unqualified" statement of origin. That means "all or virtually all" of the product is made in the US.
    Nothing to do with Kurt but ... caveat emptor.

    The FTC is not a paper tiger, it's worse, maybe a toilet-paper tiger. They do nothing. The whole "Made in ..." thing is just advertising, there's no enforcement behind it.

    Right near you there is a place that used to make sprockets. Got sold, quit making anything, now buys from overseas, still advertises heavily Made in US !

    But their stuff isn't. Several people sent complaints to FTC, never got an answer. FTC doesn't do shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    ... Several people sent complaints to FTC, never got an answer. FTC doesn't do shit.
    I've seen this work in the past with cases of made in Japan cutting tools labeled as USA at the distribution level.
    So sometimes and fines to be paid..... admit not recently where it seems you can lie if resale is high enough.
    A resale without doing anything can go past the 50% and then is the money US or offshore. Is sales part of a product value?
    A machinist thinks making the part is the end of the chain. But it has to be sold and sales and marketing then become part of value added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Keeley View Post
    ...Hi Terry,

    ... Here is a video of our plant in Minneapolis, MN.: YouTube

    Best Regards,
    Steve Kane
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    Kurt Industrial Products Division
    An Employee Owned Company...
    From my watching of the vid, they seem to have largely done away with those pesky issues, like "human error", that arise when a company puts too much stock in making use of employees. Cuts down on payroll, lawyers with all those workmen's comp claims, benefit & pension costs, HR departments constantly fussing over maternity leave, paid vacation and sick time, sensitivity training, and so on. And for an employee owned company, it keeps the number of owners manageable.

    -Marty-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Feldman View Post
    From my watching of the vid, they seem to have largely done away with those pesky issues, like "human error", that arise when a company puts too much stock in making use of employees. Cuts down on payroll, lawyers with all those workmen's comp claims, benefit & pension costs, HR departments constantly fussing over maternity leave, paid vacation and sick time, sensitivity training, and so on. And for an employee owned company, it keeps the number of owners manageable.

    -Marty-

    I'd imagine if you're a 1st World company these days automation is key to not only profitability but actual survival.

    If you can get away with paying workers $20 a week with no benefits and have no environmental regulations to worry about I guess you could have a factory overflowing with employees...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Feldman View Post
    From my watching of the vid, they seem to have largely done away with those pesky issues, like "human error", that arise when a company puts too much stock in making use of employees. Cuts down on payroll, lawyers with all those workmen's comp claims, benefit & pension costs, HR departments constantly fussing over maternity leave, paid vacation and sick time, sensitivity training, and so on. And for an employee owned company, it keeps the number of owners manageable.

    -Marty-
    I am not sure what you are trying to get at here Marty

    This is what one does, make the maximum amount of parts with the minimum of people

    Eventually what you pay people becomes irrelevant.

    It is business

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    I am not sure what you are trying to get at here Marty

    This is what one does, make the maximum amount of parts with the minimum of people

    Eventually what you pay people becomes irrelevant.

    It is business
    Watching a machinist argue against the use of machinery is...perplexing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Keeley View Post
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    Yes the US is still the country of origin. Here is a video of our plant in Minneapolis, MN.: YouTube
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    Steve,
    The video is impressive for tech but more smiling employees and/or letting them talk might be a good addition.
    You are selling to people and this is kind of a show off the robots video.
    Very nice stuff but keep the humans in the loop.
    A engineer showing off the robot cell is better than showing the robot run. The guy on the floor working with the system deserves a voice.
    No focus at all on the people who make use of all that tech.
    If you can tag a batch or single to track it a human may care and could explain why this matters.
    Given volume anyone can buy automation. There is a level above this.
    IMO the video missed the boat and was money not well spent. It just flies way past and ignores the base customer.
    In real life you may have sent potential buyers elsewhere.

    The good lord knows I do love your products but this not so great...

    It is so rare and almost unknown for someone at your level in this size source to speak up and provide links or home info here.
    I have to give you a very big kudos on that.
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Right near you there is a place that used to make sprockets. Got sold, quit making anything, now buys from overseas, still advertises heavily Made in US !

    But their stuff isn't. Several people sent complaints to FTC, never got an answer. FTC doesn't do shit.
    Chris Products? Say it ain't so!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Steve,
    The video is impressive for tech but more smiling employees and/or letting them talk might be a good addition.
    You are selling to people and this is kind of a show off the robots video.
    Very nice stuff but keep the humans in the loop.
    A engineer showing off the robot cell is better than showing the robot run. The guy on the floor working with the system deserves a voice.
    No focus at all on the people who make use of all that tech.
    If you can tag a batch or single to track it a human may care and could explain why this matters.
    Given volume anyone can buy automation. There is a level above this.
    IMO the video missed the boat and was money not well spent. It just flies way past and ignores the base customer.
    In real life you may have sent potential buyers elsewhere.

    The good lord knows I do love your products but this not so great...

    It is so rare and almost unknown for someone at your level in this size source to speak up and provide links or home info here.
    I have to give you a very big kudos on that.
    Bob
    Aren’t many of the customers buying tombstones to load into CNC machining centers of their own? I can’t imagine it to be especially offensive for them to see that the company that sells products to fulfill that need are in fact making use of the approach they sell.

    They are making a product in the US where labor costs $100/hr. Efficient use of that time is to make the operator as capable an employee as possible.

    If that employee produces 10x his wage and is able to retain a portion of the profit for themselves that’s great. Gives the company no incentive to move the operation elsewhere and retains employee motivation.

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    So, where are the integrated Carvesmart jaws on the Kurt vises?

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