Lifting heavy lathe chuck so it lay flat.

Bill D · Nov 7, 2018

I have several 10" lathe chucks that I switch around. Not a big deal for my size to mount and unmount. I would like to store them laying flat on their mounting pins inside some big cooking pots to prevent rust. I need to make a lifting handle that grabs straight down into the open chuck like an ice hook. Any ideas out there.
These are D1-4 if that matters. An actual ice hook worries me since they might slip off. Maybe an eye bolt held by the jaws and a ice hook.
Bill D

DMF_TomB · Nov 7, 2018

Bill D said:
I have several 10" lathe chucks that I switch around. Not a big deal for my size to mount and unmount. I would like to store them laying flat on their mounting pins inside some big cooking pots to prevent rust. I need to make a lifting handle that grabs straight down into the open chuck like an ice hook. Any ideas out there.
These are D1-4 if that matters. An actual ice hook worries me since they might slip off. Maybe an eye bolt held by the jaws and a ice hook.
Bill D

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chuck up a 2" round drilled and tapped for a eyebolt and pick it with that. if chuck is tight it will hold a lot of weight

HuFlungDung · Nov 7, 2018

You could buy a few extension nuts, and chuck them tight, flush with the front of the chuck jaws. Screw in a lifting eye and hoist away.

Cole2534 · Nov 7, 2018

Tee-nut and stud from the mill table? Chuck up on the stud lightly and let the nut do the holding.

Are you wanting these to live with the chucks when they're not in use? B7 all-thread and HH nuts are dirt cheap.

DMF_TomB · Nov 7, 2018

most shops have small pieces of metal in large quantities. wouldnt be the first time i took metal out of garbage can and drilled and tapped a hole in what 2 minutes for a eyebolt.
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seems some spend more time thinking or talking about it than actually doing stuff

Kingbob · Nov 7, 2018

I do a lot of milling from chucks laid on their backs. I store them flat on their backs and have made lifting eyes for each that are just a piece of round bar with a small upset on the chuck end that sits behind the jaws so that even when chucked lightly it can't slip out. Simple eye on the opposite end.

thermite · Nov 7, 2018

Bill D said:
I have several 10" lathe chucks that I switch around. Not a big deal for my size to mount and unmount. I would like to store them laying flat on their mounting pins inside some big cooking pots to prevent rust. I need to make a lifting handle that grabs straight down into the open chuck like an ice hook. Any ideas out there.
These are D1-4 if that matters. An actual ice hook worries me since they might slip off. Maybe an eye bolt held by the jaws and a ice hook.
Bill D

There was a foto "right here on PM" that resembled an uber-strong but very short paint roller with flanges. It allowed rotating the chuck whilst on / still on the hook to make attach / detach to the spindle easier.

VPI paper, fresh bundle once a year, rest of the "challenge" KISS methods to suit, "cooking pots" maybe not required?

Bill D · Nov 7, 2018

Thanks for the help. I had not thought of using a slug of metal on the eyebolt. I was worried chucking just the threaded part might not be strong enough. I think I will thread both ends and use a bolt and washer on the bottom end so it can not slip through the jaws.
Bill D.

PDW · Nov 7, 2018

Bill D said:
Thanks for the help. I had not thought of using a slug of metal on the eyebolt. I was worried chucking just the threaded part might not be strong enough. I think I will thread both ends and use a bolt and washer on the bottom end so it can not slip through the jaws.
Bill D.

That's exactly how I move my rotary table with 8" chuck mounted on top of it. No way I'm going to lift the thing, I pick it up with a baby engine hoist.

PDW

EPAIII · Nov 7, 2018

You say you are OK with lifting the weight of the chucks so I assume you need the hook for lowering then into and lifting them out of the storage pots. How about turning those pots upside down. Place the lid on a counter or shelf and place the chuck on it. Then put the pot over it. That way you have easy access to the chuck at all times.

You could make a plate with handles on it from (aluminum) scrap in place of the original pot tops. It would lay flat on a shelf or table and the handles would make moving the stored chuck easier. Some additional pieces of scrap could be bolted down on these improvised "tops" to prevent the chuck from sliding around while being moved. Perhaps a round piece that fits inside the circle of the mounting studs.

Milland · Nov 7, 2018

Another thought is why are the chucks rusting? And if they are, isn't every other iron and steel machine part? Surely that's worth trying to fix (dehumidifiers, insulation, warming elements)?

Mechanola · Nov 8, 2018

If you put the chucks in cooking pots, you organise rust. Different metals afford electronegative potential, ever so little, doesn’t matter. You’ll have corrosion with the slightest amounts of humidity.

Have some wooden stands, keep the chucks lightly greasy. Wood sucks in oil, chucks will last way longer.

Marty Feldman · Nov 8, 2018

Mechanola said:
If you put the chucks in cooking pots, you organise rust. Different metals afford electronegative potential, ever so little, doesn’t matter. You’ll have corrosion with the slightest amounts of humidity.

Have some wooden stands, keep the chucks lightly greasy. Wood sucks in oil, chucks will last way longer.

I agree. Hard to see how metal pots are going to "prevent rust".

-Marty-

DMF_TomB · Nov 8, 2018

eyenuts are like a eyebolt. you can screw a long length bolt into a eyenut and use that tight in a chuck to pick it. the head of the bolt will help it not slide out of chuck although if chuck tight i never saw one slip just picking up the chuck
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eyenut - Google Search

Bill D · Nov 8, 2018

I only have rust issues if the winter is colder then normal. I have a golden rod heater in the base of the lathe and with a blanket over the lathe no rust issues. My mill/drill a blanket alone seems to be enough. I will bend a golden rod heater and get it into the base before winter. My drill press and tablesaw do not rust. nor do tools left on the bench. I think the lathe and mill are so thick they stay below dew point as air warms up in the day.
This only occurs if the shop goes below 45-50 which requires the temperature to go below freezing. freezing temps seldom occur in my climate.
Bill D.
Modesto, CA. USA

metalmagpie · Nov 8, 2018

After you put a chuck in a pot, fill the pot with oil. Then it will not rust.

Bill D · Nov 8, 2018

metalmagpie said:
After you put a chuck in a pot, fill the pot with oil. Then it will not rust.

I have been thinking that way

thermite · Nov 8, 2018

Bill D said:
I have been thinking that way

It is not, necessarily, true!

G'Dad did that into "many" Maxwell-House Cawfee cans, unfortunately with used motor oil, but that wasn't the half of the eventual problem.

He's forgotten than ANY moisture as alighted from evening dew or any other condensation would be HEAVIER than oil and find its way to the bottom of the tin. From which hidden position it most assuredly DID cause rust. Google "RMS Titanic".

Boesheild, Fluid Film, and more exist. VPI paper is cheap in rolls and bundles.

AFAIK these only cause Cancer when deployed within the borders of California. But then again, so does air or water.. if not also RUST.. even taxes?

You could perhaps relocate to Texas? Nobody will "mess with Texas".

EPAIII · Nov 9, 2018

Well, I hate to tell you, but Texas has as many climates as you can count. On one day, some years ago, I saw a temperature map on a weather program that had a 70 degree F spread of temperature bands across the state: freezing in the north-west and 90s in the south-east: really, 70 degrees spread at the same time, all in Texas. I have lived in El Paso and it is as dry and hot as you could imagine. In the summer the asphalt streets literally melt. That's West Texas. Now I live in Beaumont which is both near the eastern border and quite close to the Gulf of Mexico. We get both regular humidity and, on occasion, ocean spray which is salty. Yes, with a good wind, the salt spray can travel many miles inland. Rust heaven!

Rust certainly will mess with Texas or at least with this corner of it. My shop has air conditioning and that is a really big help because it keeps the humidity down and the salt air out. But I can still get rust if I leave steel out and unprotected with oil or wax.

thermite said:
It is not, necessarily, true!

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You could perhaps relocate to Texas? Nobody will "mess with Texas".

thermite · Nov 9, 2018

EPAIII said:
Well, I hate to tell you, but Texas has as many climates as you can count. On one day, some years ago, I saw a temperature map on a weather program that had a 70 degree F spread of temperature bands across the state: freezing in the north-west and 90s in the south-east: really, 70 degrees spread at the same time, all in Texas.

LO! It WAS meant as a joke, and you should expect that temp swing. Texas is slightly larger than France, after all!

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