Looking For Books On Monocoque Construction

SIP6A · Aug 6, 2019

Would anybody have any suggestions on books that deal with monocoque construction?

Monocoque construction is used in the construction of aircraft and automobiles.

Milland · Aug 6, 2019

What level of detail are you looking for? A search of the SAE technical papers will likely turn up good references for both aircraft and automotive build methods.

Perhaps Aircraft Construction Techniques & Design Loads can be of use, although much of what they'll have will be more traditional tube and wood construction.

Are you planning something with metal skins, composites, ?

kustomizingkid · Aug 6, 2019

From my time in Formula SAE in college you are best to head into the land of white papers.

bcstractor · Aug 6, 2019

John Fenton in the UK wrote a number of books on the subject. There is also the book "Motor Vehicle Structures" by Brown, Robertson and Serpento.

SIP6A · Aug 8, 2019

Thanks to all that replied.

Will look into the leads that you supplied.

Todd

kustomizingkid · Aug 8, 2019

I hope for your sake you are doing aluminum rivet construction... very well understood and reasonable. When you get into carbon fiber and bonding aluminum machined mounting points to the carbon it gets very deep.

Milland · Aug 8, 2019

kustomizingkid said:
I hope for your sake you are doing aluminum rivet construction... very well understood and reasonable. When you get into carbon fiber and bonding aluminum machined mounting points to the carbon it gets very deep.

Force distribution is a big deal with metal skin or composite construction, no good making a fine wing and fuselage if the two don't want to stay mated. And if doing CFRP, better to use titanium fittings for attachments, much better galvanic properties in that couple.

kustomizingkid · Aug 8, 2019

At least we have a very good and reliable understanding of riveting or welding two pieces of metal together... way way more variable with adhesives and composites.

bcstractor · Aug 8, 2019

I forgot about the "aircraft" bit.

"Analysis and Design of Flight Vehicle Structures" 1973 by Bruhn (Huge Book)

Graham Gott · Aug 9, 2019

bcstractor said:
I forgot about the "aircraft" bit.

"Analysis and Design of Flight Vehicle Structures" 1973 by Bruhn (Huge Book)

I second that suggestion. In it's earlier versions, that book is also entitled "Analysis and Design of Airplane Structures". I think my copy is the 1949 "updated" version. Tons of information, hand calculations and useful approximations if you're not doing FEA.

Limy Sami · Aug 9, 2019

One mustn't forget ''Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious'' By A.C.B. Chapman.

DavidScott · Aug 9, 2019

Milland said:
And if doing CFRP, better to use titanium fittings for attachments, much better galvanic properties in that couple.

It's hard to get direct contact between the CF and aluminum, the resin keeps getting in between them. I understand the danger but just have never had it happen to something I have made. If there is a thin layer of resin between the two then aluminum is fine.

dsergison · Aug 9, 2019

for CF/aluminum joining they use tiny glass beads to mix in with your resin to ensure you have a non-conductive and proper thickness of bond line.

kustomizingkid · Aug 9, 2019

dsergison said:
for CF/aluminum joining they use tiny glass beads to mix in with your resin to ensure you have a non-conductive and proper thickness of bond line.

You almost always mix in glass beads to maintain glue thickness.... we made CF tubular A arms with machined aluminum inserts. When the bonds were good you could tear the rod ends apart with no damage to the glue joint or tube.

BillE · Aug 9, 2019

If we're going for Lots of Trouble, I think Costin did basic book or two on the subject, layman level.

Limy Sami · Aug 9, 2019

I wondered when someone would get it Bill.

bcstractor · Aug 9, 2019

He did a book on tubular frame design but mine doesn't discuss monocoque design.

Milland · Aug 9, 2019

DavidScott said:
It's hard to get direct contact between the CF and aluminum, the resin keeps getting in between them. I understand the danger but just have never had it happen to something I have made. If there is a thin layer of resin between the two then aluminum is fine.

Well, there's always the CTE issue - with CF's low expansion, you'll put less stress into the shear line with Ti having a CTE less than half that of Al if you've got significant temp excursions.

Milland · Aug 9, 2019

Limy Sami said:
I wondered when someone would get it Bill.

Hey, I got it right away, just late to the post.

And the new logo looks "eh" compared to the historic versions, you guys need to convince Geely to change back:

What do you think of Lotus’s new logo? | Top Gear

Limy Sami · Aug 10, 2019

I'm sorry Milland, but living in Norfolk and fed a constant diet of crap about Lotus cars and their crook of a founder ( you'd think the guy could walk on water) and not to mention his equally crooked successors ! ..............I really couldn't give a flying f'k what their badge or poxy motors look like.

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