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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    BUMP BUMP

    This thread got 1/2 way down the page.
    And "bump" again.

    But that's not a BAD thing, is it?

    PM's larger community life goes on, the odd personal trials and tribulations or never..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualkit View Post
    I wish I could give you more than a like on this post. Gordon once insulted me because I said I preferred dial and vernier calipers over electronic digital. How they could make a mod out of someone like that baffles the mind.
    How could you be bothered over a trivial issue like that ? Who cares ? I prefer firm joint calipers over the spring joint style, insult me all you like.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    How could you be bothered over a trivial issue like that ? Who cares ? I prefer firm joint calipers over the spring joint style, insult me all you like.

    Regards Tyrone.

    Trivial, as in type of caliper?
    Or, trivial, as in who is moderator?

    The first one is trivial - affects on person, a matter of taste, and if you're wrong you bear the burden.
    The wrong moderator drives participating members (as in "content generators) away. Or he/she non-persons them. That's not trivial to the community of contributors built around PM.

    But, as folks have pointed out, it's Don's site. If he feels a moderator is adding value (as HE sees it) he gets to make the call.

    At least I think its Don's site. Maybe he sold off "Metrology" to GBC! But any ill-will generated lowers the value of the forum as a whole.

    Still, Don's choice. What say ye, Milacron?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    How could you be bothered over a trivial issue like that ? Who cares ? I prefer firm joint calipers over the spring joint style, insult me all you like.

    Regards Tyrone.
    LOL! And I'll have BOTH, please! Yah don't have to guess at which one has a fighting chance of carrying a measurement out from BEHIND a smaller ID barrier?

    For Quick & Dirty anyway. Then there are the Indi-Cals. Etc.

    Can I take a "rain check" and insult yah LATER, then?



    C'mon.

    Folks gravitate to ways of working as work for THEM and make their tool budget spend accordingly.

    And/or just "luck into" stuff we may or may not put to some other Pilgrim's idea of its most appropriate intended use.

    The "fun" actually IS in hearing or seeing of the "outliers", most weeks. Any fool can apply bog-standard use. It takes the odd inquisitive contrarian to find new and clever applications, most anything. Even the human arsehole. The plumbing. Not the behaviour pattern. Well? "Both" perhaps? Mind, ...as ever and always, some experiments are best left to OTHERS, so I'll take a "rain check" on that, as well.



    But here we be.

    Proving that "man" is apparently easily as much a fool-making animal as a tool-making animal, yah think? "Can't leave home without it"?

    Surely seems to keep Whitehall, Washington, Beijing, and Brussels eatin' reglar-like.

    More's the pity..


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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    On the technical evidence, he is at least "blameless" in the matter to-hand.

    VB - the system PM is built atop - went "closed source" as to code. A long time ago.

    But it was BUILT off the back of OPEN source code, mostly GNU-licensed. To wit: php and MySQL+InnoDB alleged RDBMS. A F/LOSS (Free/Libre Open Source Software) version of it was forked. That can be studied if not also utilized.

    So there aren't REALLY a great many mysteries to it.

    DB admin or "Super" moderator privileges are required to delete at the level as appears to have been applied.

    The "how" of it is an open book - anyone cares to do the research who doesn't already know.

    Disclosure: I've run both php and MSQL meself. For "common interest" affinity-group websites, even. Until I learnt better, and moved over to PostgreSQL+Z-Server/Medusa & Python (Zope/Plone, plus-plus). Or even harder to trifle-with toolsets, such as PostgreSQL + "Prayer", where the web pages are generated off hard code compiled to bullet-proof binary chunks, stored for retreival and assembly as needed.

    The challenge for PM is that it is HEAVILY dynamic, multiple players reading, contributing, editing, view, grumble, repeat with yet another edit. All this leads to overlaps in present-time as compete for records access, locking, posting of both records updates and indexing updates to reflect the changes and serve them up to an army of OTHER arrivals, whether contributing or simply viewing..

    It thus needs "object" DB features in practice, if not also in design philosophy.
    Think airline baggage, hotel cloakroom, freight terminal, or parking garage, "whatever" size, shape, or flavour arrives and leaves, not standardized neat rows of pre-planned fixed size records such as a payroll.

    PostgreSQL, an "OBJECT RELATIONAL" DB with far the better records-locking, conflict resolution, wiser caching, better preservation of integrity, and superior integral housekeeping on all OTHER counts, would be MUCH better to support that than MySQL.

    "Drop in" replacement, even. BTDTGGTS. Also as a replacement for perpetually version-Helled Oracle.

    But the VB devel team chose to NOT utilize PostgreSQL, even at the high price, eg: FREE. As in beer or speech.

    "Job security" one supposes?

    Given PostgreSQL's downside is that it doesn't NEED a lot of external mucking about with.

    End of the day, it is a challenging task, and whether I - or any OTHER "real" Db Admin / designer / decision-maker think VB used the best tools or not, the reality is that it actually works and works really, really well.

    But it is at its best on LIGHTER TRAFFIC websites. jaguarforums to name one of MANY where "VB" does a much lower-maintenance job for a far lower traffic website.

    IMNSHO, PM, by contrast, has for some time been pushing VB's limits - outgrowing VB on the maintenance workload off the shortcomings of the weak-player MySQL under it.

    'nuf said about the toolset. This "deletion" was not an accident, nor byproduct of it. Too "clean" by half.

    Ergo the WHY of the deletion and the WHOM as to by which keyboard is the only mystery.

    AFAIK, that's down to Milacron or "PracticalMan" (Jessica, was / is it?)

    Gordon? HIGHLY doubtful. Mere distracting noise on that sort of channel off the back of a well-earned anti-social behaviour pattern. Just because he is historically nasty doesn't make him guilty in this case.

    Above his pay-grade or skill set, even had he been handed the tools to do the do by sheer accident.

    Too clean a job, more than a few "tuples" and attributes, more than one table.
    Somebody had to WORK at it to make a sweep so all-encompassingly "clean" and complete.
    Does that idiot database underneath support cascading deletes? Because this sure looks like the result of one.

    Flogging a very dead horse WRT Postgres though. I've been using it for critical systems stuff for well over 2 decades now.

    Everyone suspects Gordon because he's demonstrated over and over that he's petty, thin-skinned and vindictive.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Appointment of moderators is up to Don, not us. We're all just guests here.
    Yes, that's sort of who the post would be directed at... Thought that was a given and didn't need to be pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Does that idiot database underneath support cascading deletes? Because this sure looks like the result of one.

    Flogging a very dead horse WRT Postgres though. I've been using it for critical systems stuff for well over 2 decades now.

    Everyone suspects Gordon because he's demonstrated over and over that he's petty, thin-skinned and vindictive.

    PDW
    The fool MySQL alleged-DBMS CAN. Last used it for anything of import under "QMail", 1990's. Migrated that to PG, then Courier, Powermail, Exim & associated goods & general content-management websites & LANS. Basically "everything DB'ish" once we needed it, and BADLY so, to sort Oracle's FUBAR'ed state - thereafter.

    MySQL's greater failings come off the back of optimizing for speed at the expense of ACID compliance, defending a bad choice, even bragging about it, "big bang" and for VERY long years, after. The InnoDB back-end graft was a decent band-aid, but band-aid nonetheless. Software AG buying-in was puzzling. Their own "ADAbase on Big-Iron wasn't great, but it was at least reasonably stable.

    Irony, of course, in that PostgreSQL // INGRES eventually became faster than MySQL anyway.. as well as conservatively SAFER ... as it had always been.

    But you've got to code the SQL for it, any RDBMS as has had complex applications and indices built atop it.

    Had VB done that? Arguably so.

    But it isn't as easy as to lend itself to casual abuse nor accident, either one.

    I'd suppose that the silence is due to such expertise as PM has under-roof - or hires - digging logs to see if they were penetrated by a malicious outsider? If so, that's criminal activity and would NOT be spoken of just yet. If ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    What I have done is delete posts (and not just by camscan) in the Metrology sub forum that had nothing to do with metrology and their only purpose was to provoke.
    You can't be serious, you are constantly trying to provoke people. You are nothing but a TROLL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualkit View Post
    You can't be serious, you are constantly trying to provoke people. You are nothing but a TROLL.
    Obviously the rules are different when you are a mod.

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    Fuck Denmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garwood View Post
    Fuck Denmark.
    Too much like work.

    Better to give it a miss and let Gordon continue to do it.

    Socialism thing: "From each, according to his ability.." etc.

    Beside.. interfering wit' him is like trying to get a hound dog to stop licking its arse. Dog does it because he CAN, and no one with any sense really wants to interfere with that sort of process.

    As with "moderator" duty.. yah might end up expected to take it on, full time?



    Dogs ain't stoopid. They have a solution.

    First Dog: "Here cometh that GBC hound with the COLD nose!"

    Second Dog: "We SIT NOW!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Dickman View Post
    wouldn't one reply from "Moddo" put this whole thing to rest?
    wtf?

    Don's put enormous effort into this forum, and I think we all appreciate it. He may be managing the situation by seeing how a subordinate handles things before weighing in. My first impulse (in his shoes) would be to come in hard and fast and take direct action. That's probably an indication that the better course of action for Don is to wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosleyjr View Post
    That's probably an indication that the better course of action for Don is to wait...
    LOL! We had a majority "Manhattanite" staff, one Day Job. Whip-smart Carolina gal also on the team was being teased over Southern slow-talking.

    She finally smiled a sweet smile and explained that "the South" had been at an economic disadvantage to the wealthier North from earliest days.

    So they learnt to talk slow and THINK fast so as to clever-up a solution to seriously screw-up a DamnYankee's whole year before they got over the distraction of slow talkin'.

    Proved it often enough I had cause to promote her, so...

    Don ain't one for rushin' his spoken words, either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    I read this thread for the first time yesterday (Friday 13th) and was surprised.

    What I have done is delete posts (and not just by camscan) in the Metrology sub forum that had nothing to do with metrology and their only purpose was to provoke.

    What other moderators do in their fora and how they do it is completely up to them.

    If camscan has been banned I'd imagine it could be seen somewhere that he was banned.
    Gordon,
    You did not accidentally press the wrong button and delete him entirely instead of one offending post, did you?
    If so you need to take responsibility and start the restoration process.

    Technology is wonderful, I walked up while an employee was formatting the "B" drive on my Omniturn. He said it was OK because the "C" drive was not being formatted. No "C" drive, a years worth of programs lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    Gordon,
    You did not accidentally press the wrong button and delete him entirely instead of one offending post, did you?
    If so you need to take responsibility and start the restoration process.

    Technology is wonderful, I walked up while an employee was formatting the "B" drive on my Omniturn. He said it was OK because the "C" drive was not being formatted. No "C" drive, a years worth of programs lost.
    Bit late to be sayin' this, but given what we do as a matter of routine, ordinary one-pass FUBARS - generally recoverable in the office - to serious crimes as still cost but a thousand bucks or few for full recovery, multiple-pass intentional obfuscation?

    They almost certainly were NOT "lost".

    Just in need of an experienced hand at data recovery and the evidence-trail certified full-time services we use.

    Which "Oh, By The Way.." include full recovery of by whom, just when, and just HOW a deletion or any other DB or file alteration "of interest" was made.

    Intentional or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post

    Which "Oh, By The Way.." include full recovery of by whom, just when, and just HOW a deletion or any other DB or file alteration "of interest" was made.

    Intentional or otherwise.
    Yeah - assuming the thing actually has logging turned on, and/or a decent set of triggers.

    Saved one of my client's arse, that did. But it was a Postgres database and I had a *lot* of paranoid level back end logging going on. Medical data.

    PDW

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    Quote Originally Posted by PDW View Post
    Yeah - assuming the thing actually has logging turned on, and/or a decent set of triggers.

    Saved one of my client's arse, that did. But it was a Postgres database and I had a *lot* of paranoid level back end logging going on. Medical data.

    PDW
    When they were THAT easy, someone else wudda been called in.

    Then again, well-designed software? It usually IS that easy.

    Quickbooks is another. Miscreants usta option-off "Audit trail", think they could manipulate the records...
    .. unaware QB keeps the info to generate it, regardless of whether you asked it to create the report as the wall-clock goes along..or not.

    Old Skewl bit-bangers get f**ked often enough by hardware, time, and circumstance.

    Not a lot of us care to allow "amateurs" a free ride on that "train"!


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    BUMP BUMP BUMP

    Come on Moderators Admin etc etc.
    Last edited by Limy Sami; 03-15-2020 at 03:20 PM. Reason: Fix typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    BUNP BUMP BUMP

    Come on Moderators Admin etc etc.
    They just follow the CDC guideline to limit public appearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eKretz View Post
    Yes, that's sort of who the post would be directed at... Thought that was a given and didn't need to be pointed out.
    In that case rather than mere complaints, documentation of actual abuses should be provided in posts. Without proof of wrongdoing it sounds like a personality clash and I doubt Don has time to read through every thread.

    If proofs are screen captures they need to be of enough resolution so they can be clearly read when clicked on, and JPEG should be used rather than PNG, which doesn't seem to work well on this forum.

    Real abuses would be violations of forum rules that non-moderators could be punished for, not just pissy exchanges which make it look like simply a personality clash.


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