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    I am very sorry that this happened. I wish you good luck and strength to overcome this difficulty!

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    Best of luck on a speedy recovery Sami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    I remember George Bush had this treatment and it went fine.
    These Polyps are mushroom like growths and were removed and not cancer. Still it's removing tissue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    L... Your openness is appreciated as it reminds us to focus on our own health in this regard. ...
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    Well put. Discussions about colon cancer are always problematic. Best of luck Limi, be sure to contact a WOCN specialist regarding your ostomy.

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    Look up Tommy Johnson Sr's Cancer book, and make your own choices. (I have no affiliation, except I have met his son while I was working for NHRA, and cancer sucks, and doctors don't make their living curing anyone, just by treating them.)

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    Sami,
    Ask your doctor(s) about a reduced calorie diet. The body system will fight off and repair damage to cells when it is not processing food.
    This is why I sent you a pm about that you-tube video. Your recovery period might benefit from this stuff. Any residual cells after the
    operation will be snuffed out with your own mechanisms. Any chemo can take a hike as far as I'm concerned. Lost family members from it.
    Thou you will probably have to have some of it, my intentions here are to minimize it. Less chemo because you did most of the job yourself.

    There are three eating plans in the video.

    1. Don't eat 3 days and 4 nights. Just water. Do this once a month or once every two months.
    2. Fast two days in a row and then eat whatever you want for 3 days - 5 days. Repeat.
    3. Eat whatever you want day 1. Eat a kids meal at around noon time on day 2. On day 3 the pattern repeats.

    The claim is that it would be impossible to get stroke, cardio vascular disease, heart attack, and other things. The benefits don't appear immediately.
    They measured the test subjects blood after 3 days and the results were very favorable. The test subject was told that if he kept the plan up for a
    year he would be cured. The subjects fat level was 1/3 of his weight. The problem with excess fat is that it surrounds body organs and can lead to
    problems. The test subject was doing 3 days and 4 nights. The main point is that benefits don't occur until after 24 hours. So when I think about the fasting
    during Ramadan for 24 hours they are missing the mark by that much. Not really benefiting much except in believing that something good is happening.

    Of course you will never hear rants and raves about this. Why? Because the food processing companies want profits, not health.
    You can be your own doctor to some extent. If you think this is bunk after watching a 1hr long film then that is up to you.
    In animal tests a reduced calorie diet allows mice living side by side to live 50% longer than a non-participant.

    I've done all three over the years but not that consistently. The thought of not eating is hateful to me and the actual act of doing
    this is not so bad. But again, the thought of doing it just turns people off.

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    I suppose most people don’t pay much attention to cure-all diets like the one in the post above. For legitimate information concerning diet as relates to heart disease and cancer go to the NIH website, or The American Cancer Society, or the Canadian, British, French, or Aussie equivalents. They pretty much agree that diet should be paid some attention but generally agree that dietary effects are modest at best. I suppose all those organization could be conspiring with “the food processors” but that does seem a bit far fetched. (Well reeeaaaaaly far fetched)

    Of greater importance is periodic colon cancer screening with beneficial effects far outweighing risks. The USPHTF has done a good job of dispassionately analyzing risk/benefit/ cost related to colonoscopy and other screening tools. They give guidance based on age, family history, life expectancy (not indicated for the very elderly and/or frail) etc. That is worth a careful look and discussion with your primary care doc.

    Denis

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    Delighted you're feeling a bit better, Sami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgfoster View Post
    I suppose most people don’t pay much attention to cure-all diets like the one in the post above. For legitimate information concerning diet as relates to heart disease and cancer go to the NIH website, or The American Cancer Society, or the Canadian, British, French, or Aussie equivalents. They pretty much agree that diet should be paid some attention but generally agree that dietary effects are modest at best. I suppose all those organization could be conspiring with “the food processors” but that does seem a bit far fetched. (Well reeeaaaaaly far fetched)

    Of greater importance is periodic colon cancer screening with beneficial effects far outweighing risks. The USPHTF has done a good job of dispassionately analyzing risk/benefit/ cost related to colonoscopy and other screening tools. They give guidance based on age, family history, life expectancy (not indicated for the very elderly and/or frail) etc. That is worth a careful look and discussion with your primary care doc.

    Denis
    Just like Realtors (TM) love to tell you not to buy or sell property without their "help," it's nice to see a real MD protecting the turf of his cartel. (I see you got your degree from the University of Iowa, LOL...didn't do that great on the mcats, eh??) So....diet is mostly meaningless and the way you're going to achieve health is by letting MDs stick probes up your ass and then do the usual cut/burn/poison routine?? OK, guess it lines the pockets of MDs handsomely, but honestly, we might ask why everybody knows when Phillip Morris used to say cigarettes weren't harmful we knew it was bs, but when MDs who make their livings pushing the agenda of pharma we turn off the critical thinking and think their advice is purely altruistic.

    Fasting works. As I've mentioned before, I was on death's door a couple years ago, had surgeons and other doctors telling me there was NO solution except surgery. My N=1 anecdotal experience was of solving the problem over the course of 6 months with a highly-disciplined regimen of water fasting 3-5 days per week and 100% carnivorous feasting on the days I did eat. (I ate something like 200 ribeye steaks that year.) This came recommended by a doctor friend in the UK who had no financial interest in my outcome. Weird how the advice is different when money isn't involved. The surgeon checked in on me for several months and eventually realized I wasn't going to need his services. 2 years later, the problems have never returned, even though the MDs told me I would be back for emergency surgery within 2 weeks.

    When MDs tell you that you'll die without their help, it usually means that it's not good for their bottom line for you to find solutions that cut out their health-destruction racket. As my brain-surgeon grandfather used to say, NEVER see a doctor unless you've been shot or in a bad accident. He would know. And he lived to 95.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    This is why I sent you a pm about that you-tube video.

    Ran out of Snake Oil, did you?

    To the OP.
    Limy, you're a man to anti-up about your problem publicly, and to raise awareness to something most of us don't ever want to discuss, even at home!

    Had a paternal grandfather, lost to the same issue you're facing.
    He was too ( insert whatever reason here ) to seek help before it was too late.
    Have a mom, spending the rest of her life with a bag at her side caused by the same issue.
    She also was too ( insert whatever reason here ) to seek help before it was too late.

    Well, I am a product of the same stupidity!

    When Mom was diagnosed, operated on, and finally released with a permanent bag some 5 years ago, I developed a pain in my behind.
    Never in my just-under 50 years of age at that time did I experience anything there, so I was absolutely inclined to shrug it off.
    She told me NOT TO DO THAT!!!

    So, I went to have a colonoscopy done.
    Found a polyp of 40mm long, removed, not cancerous, was told it must have taken 4+ years to get that long, don't worry, this shit takes quite a bit of time to get large,
    but you must come back every 2 years to get checked out ....

    Well...
    It is now 3+ years since that test, and I am an IDIOT for not having done it !!!

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    Hi Sami, very nice to see your words Mr.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightedge View Post
    Just like Realtors (TM) love to tell you not to buy or sell property without their "help," it's nice to see a real MD protecting the turf of his cartel. (I see you got your degree from the University of Iowa, LOL...didn't do that great on the mcats, eh??) So....diet is mostly meaningless and the way you're going to achieve health is by letting MDs stick probes up your ass and then do the usual cut/burn/poison routine?? OK, guess it lines the pockets of MDs handsomely, but honestly, we might ask why everybody knows when Phillip Morris used to say cigarettes weren't harmful we knew it was bs, but when MDs who make their livings pushing the agenda of pharma we turn off the critical thinking and think their advice is purely altruistic.

    Fasting works. As I've mentioned before, I was on death's door a couple years ago, had surgeons and other doctors telling me there was NO solution except surgery. My N=1 anecdotal experience was of solving the problem over the course of 6 months with a highly-disciplined regimen of water fasting 3-5 days per week and 100% carnivorous feasting on the days I did eat. (I ate something like 200 ribeye steaks that year.) This came recommended by a doctor friend in the UK who had no financial interest in my outcome. Weird how the advice is different when money isn't involved. The surgeon checked in on me for several months and eventually realized I wasn't going to need his services. 2 years later, the problems have never returned, even though the MDs told me I would be back for emergency surgery within 2 weeks.

    When MDs tell you that you'll die without their help, it usually means that it's not good for their bottom line for you to find solutions that cut out their health-destruction racket. As my brain-surgeon grandfather used to say, NEVER see a doctor unless you've been shot or in a bad accident. He would know. And he lived to 95.
    This fasting stuff was practiced by the Egyptians and other ancients. And I have heard a little about cancer treatment programs which incorporate a few changes like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    This fasting stuff was practiced by the Egyptians and other ancients. And I have heard a little about cancer treatment programs which incorporate a few changes like this.
    This continuous-feed situation we find ourselves in isn't the natural state of man. Feasting, then fasting is normal and natural. That said, it was not EASY to summon the self-discipline to fast 2-3 days and then feast on 1, then fast another 2-3 days, etc. during the first 1-2 months. In retrospect, the pain, weakness, and sickness were extremely motivating to keep me on the narrow path during that time. The progress was almost immediate, but not linear--kind of 2 steps forward, one back. I had some very rough days. But after a couple months, as the problems subsided and my energy regathered, my UK doc friend told me to cut down to two days fasting/one feasting, and later to one day fasting, one feasting.

    Denis might be right saying diet doesn't matter--if you only study "normal" patterns of diet, like increasing fruit and veggie consumption, vegetarianism or veganism, etc. I guarantee you that those studies are not comparing outcomes of people on a standard American diet against fasting 2-3 days and eating only organic, grass-fed ruminants and wild fatty fish. I didn't eat ONE bite of any fruit, vegetable, or grain during the entire time that I recovered my health.

    My mother-in-law was convinced I was going to die because I refused surgery and checked out of the hospital ignoring the advice of the MDs. She had her doc friends contact me in an attempt to convince me to have the surgery. After six weeks, she could see for herself I was doing a lot better. A year later, her opinion of my approach evidently had changed: she asked for my UK-doc's contact info because she was having some issues of her own.

    I can appreciate the MDs who run the ERs, dealing with stitches and broken bones, car accidents, and other acute problems. But people like Denis, who make bank by going with the system, telling people good health comes from pills or through a needle, meanwhile discouraging people from alternatives that keep money out of the pockets of his AMA/MD/pharma cartel...well, sorry: I don't trust people whose financial outcome gets better when my results get worse.

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    Conspiracy theory peddlers use identical methods (and often themselves believe the hoax’s) regardless of the concept espoused. And they never can support their position with any legitimate data as their idea has to be kept secret by someone or some group benefitting from ignorance. And so the circular “reasoning” persists. There is one small problem with claiming that MD’s worldwide conspire on this issue to “make bank.” The reason I pointed out that, virtually every major country in the world agrees on diet not being a major factor and that colon cancer screening is valuable is that Canada, Britain, and France have nationalized health care. So the vested interest in those countries is to reduce cost. Still their research finds the same results and makes the same recommendations. Oh well, that will soon be “explained” here. Oh, and I do object to being tarred as a liar letting self-interest corrupt 40 years of primary care medical practice. Let’s see, just how did people getting cancer benefit me as a family doc? Oh, that’s right, I was under the thumb of regulators not to speak out. Good one! And on and on it goes.

    In summary, I hope folks will take a moment to inform themselves regarding the benefit of appropriate colon cancer screening. It will not prevent all colon cancer nor prevent all late-stage disease. But, it does reduce development of colon cancer and late-stage disease significantly
    .

    At this point I will leave this thread as it is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists and I regret taking the focus off Limy who, by the way, has been ever the gentleman and source of wisdom on this forum. I look forward to reading his thoughtful and well-informed posts for many many years to come. Best wishes and hopes for a speedy and full recovery.

    Denis

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    Glad to hear you are still with us.

    Sorry about your diagnosis but the good news is that treatments have advanced over the years and you have a much better chance than even just a few years ago.

    Good luck with your treatment and recovery.

    PS: I'll add my voice to those who suggest careful attention to diet during recovery. I know several long term survivors of various cancers and all made a point of eating as healthy a diet as possible during treatment, recovery, and from then on.

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    All the best Sami and good luck with the treatment. Hope to see you in the new year sporting a brand new semi-colon

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgfoster View Post
    Conspiracy theory peddlers use identical methods (and often themselves believe the hoax’s) regardless of the concept espoused. And they never can support their position with any legitimate data as their idea has to be kept secret by someone or some group benefitting from ignorance. And so the circular “reasoning” persists. There is one small problem with claiming that MD’s worldwide conspire on this issue to “make bank.” The reason I pointed out that, virtually every major country in the world agrees on diet not being a major factor and that colon cancer screening is valuable is that Canada, Britain, and France have nationalized health care. So the vested interest in those countries is to reduce cost. Still their research finds the same results and makes the same recommendations. Oh well, that will soon be “explained” here. Oh, and I do object to being tarred as a liar letting self-interest corrupt 40 years of primary care medical practice. Let’s see, just how did people getting cancer benefit me as a family doc? Oh, that’s right, I was under the thumb of regulators not to speak out. Good one! And on and on it goes.

    In summary, I hope folks will take a moment to inform themselves regarding the benefit of appropriate colon cancer screening. It will not prevent all colon cancer nor prevent all late-stage disease. But, it does reduce development of colon cancer and late-stage disease significantly
    .

    At this point I will leave this thread as it is pointless to argue with conspiracy theorists and I regret taking the focus off Limy who, by the way, has been ever the gentleman and source of wisdom on this forum. I look forward to reading his thoughtful and well-informed posts for many many years to come. Best wishes and hopes for a speedy and full recovery.

    Denis
    1. I'm sure Limy is already aware of the standard medical treatments for his condition. I'm responding to Denis pooh-poohing the idea that alternative treatments might help Limy recover his health completely. In Denis's small-minded world, anything outside the medical establishment is "conspiracy theory," which reveals a profound lack of imagination that we have a universe of possibilities, some of which might work better than anything Denis and his ilk have to offer.

    2a. Seeing as I come from a family of PhDs and MDs and got my PhD from an actual university, the name of which starts with "Stan" and ends with "ford", not some podunk college in the cornfields, it is somewhat amusing that Denis's defense is to call me a "conspiracy theorist" when I point out the OBVIOUS conflict of interest that MDs have in treating their patients. Planned obsolescence is a "thing" that your consumer-grade manufacturers like to do because if they made a water heater that works perfectly for, say, 100 years, it's not good for biz. Same for Denis: if he had advice that would keep his patients away, permanently, excepting sprained ankles or a few stitches, it ain't good for his bottom line.

    2b. My brain-surgeon grandfather NEVER saw more than 2 patients per day because he felt a moral obligation to think very deeply about their conditions and the course of treatment. Though a patient might have visited his office for just an hour, he would spend several hours besides this giving his attention to developing or modifying the course of treatment. Of course, he owned his private practice and made his own decisions. Lesson: the AMA livestock model of medicine, where you see the doc for 5 minutes, they write you a scrip, and they send a bill is bullshit.

    2c. An ob-gyn aunt who also dealt with pediatrics didn't vax her kids, recommended I NOT vax mine, even though she told me she ALWAYS recommended her patients get vaxxed because AMA standard-of-practice guidelines require it. Lesson: What docs recommend publicly isn't necessarily what they believe privately or practice themselves.

    2d. Cousins who went to medical school in the last 20 years have revealed to me that their entire testing regimen during the first 2 years consisted of nothing but multiple-choice tests. In other words, modern medical school is an massively-overpriced memorization exercise. MDs are not the genius scientists they like to portray themselves as--they literally achieve their medical degrees without research or thinking much at all. This almost completely explains why anybody can diagnose themselves with Google better than their GP doc can: Google has a better memory. MDs are trained to live inside the AMA box and have the sword of Damocles hanging over them, potentially losing their license or insurance should they stray too far outside the standard practices.

    3. While I'm a bigger a-hole on PM than IRL, I'd like to point out that a key aspect of human dignity is having the ability to make one's own decisions and live with the consequences. It's an old saw, but true: MDs bury their mistakes. While one evidently will have to endure a certain amount of "conspiracy theorist" namecalling, for most chronic problems, there are answers out there beyond the AMA/medical establishment box. 99% of everything is shit, so you have to develop tremendous discernment, but it's worth recognizing that the amazing confluence of forces that created you didn't need MDs or pharmaceuticals but only what nature has to offer. Those forces continue to operate throughout life. When you figure out what Nature requires of you, healing is mostly a matter of getting out of her way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightedge View Post
    1. I'm sure Limy is already aware of the standard medical treatments for his condition. I'm responding to Denis pooh-poohing the idea that alternative treatments might help Limy recover his health completely. In Denis's small-minded world, anything outside the medical establishment is "conspiracy theory," which reveals a profound lack of imagination that we have a universe of possibilities, some of which might work better than anything Denis and his ilk have to offer.

    2a. Seeing as I come from a family of PhDs and MDs and got my PhD from an actual university, the name of which starts with "Stan" and ends with "ford", not some podunk college in the cornfields, it is somewhat amusing that Denis's defense is to call me a "conspiracy theorist" when I point out the OBVIOUS conflict of interest that MDs have in treating their patients. Planned obsolescence is a "thing" that your consumer-grade manufacturers like to do because if they made a water heater that works perfectly for, say, 100 years, it's not good for biz. Same for Denis: if he had advice that would keep his patients away, permanently, excepting sprained ankles or a few stitches, it ain't good for his bottom line.

    2b. My brain-surgeon grandfather NEVER saw more than 2 patients per day because he felt a moral obligation to think very deeply about their conditions and the course of treatment. Though a patient might have visited his office for just an hour, he would spend several hours besides this giving his attention to developing or modifying the course of treatment. Of course, he owned his private practice and made his own decisions. Lesson: the AMA livestock model of medicine, where you see the doc for 5 minutes, they write you a scrip, and they send a bill is bullshit.

    2c. An ob-gyn aunt who also dealt with pediatrics didn't vax her kids, recommended I NOT vax mine, even though she told me she ALWAYS recommended her patients get vaxxed because AMA standard-of-practice guidelines require it. Lesson: What docs recommend publicly isn't necessarily what they believe privately or practice themselves.

    2d. Cousins who went to medical school in the last 20 years have revealed to me that their entire testing regimen during the first 2 years consisted of nothing but multiple-choice tests. In other words, modern medical school is an massively-overpriced memorization exercise. MDs are not the genius scientists they like to portray themselves as--they literally achieve their medical degrees without research or thinking much at all. This almost completely explains why anybody can diagnose themselves with Google better than their GP doc can: Google has a better memory. MDs are trained to live inside the AMA box and have the sword of Damocles hanging over them, potentially losing their license or insurance should they stray too far outside the standard practices.

    3. While I'm a bigger a-hole on PM than IRL, I'd like to point out that a key aspect of human dignity is having the ability to make one's own decisions and live with the consequences. It's an old saw, but true: MDs bury their mistakes. While one evidently will have to endure a certain amount of "conspiracy theorist" namecalling, for most chronic problems, there are answers out there beyond the AMA/medical establishment box. 99% of everything is shit, so you have to develop tremendous discernment, but it's worth recognizing that the amazing confluence of forces that created you didn't need MDs or pharmaceuticals but only what nature has to offer. Those forces continue to operate throughout life. When you figure out what Nature requires of you, healing is mostly a matter of getting out of her way.

    Yup, we've heard your opinion. More than once. Give it a rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightedge View Post

    ... a key aspect of human dignity is having the ability to make one's own decisions....
    Yes. And in this case the person who started this discussion has done so. There have been zero requests for 'what should I do' and the suggestions along that line have been met by him with polite silence. You won't get that from me.

    Shut up about that.

    There is one and only one response here: stay strong and get well, best of wishes for your recovery.

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    So you can take the AH out of the AH.... But you can't make the AH stop being an AH... Right on!

    Glad to have you back, Sami. Stick around, ya c....

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