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    Quote Originally Posted by ptsmith View Post
    I've read onlny the last page of this thread, so my apologies if this has already been mentioned.

    Covid-19 is certainly a serious situation, but isn't what's happening right now what happens almost every year? . . .
    No, it's not the same. You could read up on it.

    Once we have some immunity, maybe a vaccine that sort of tracks it, then it's another flu bug.

    Until then it's something that spreads like wildfire, best contained by a regimen of testing and isolation, to be followed by having both better treatments / protocols and sufficient supplies to use them -- still later maybe a vaccine. If we don't take steps (right now mostly avoiding contact with the virus and the larger groups where it's almost sure to be present) it will become a much larger problem before it gets better.

    We have a choice - stop it soon as we can -- or see it become something like the Spanish Flu (that, too, "just" an influenza virus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Nice.

    Can you see Russia from there?
    Gawd what a joke she was. She is not popular around these parts. She supported the "bridge to nowhere" until she became a national candidate. Personally, I think that it cost too much.

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    QT: [see through masks? so you could enter a bank without having the guards draw on you...]

    But with higher numbers of bank guard shooting people that might cut down the number of corona virus deaths.
    Cant die if you are already dead... i think...wait, where is my calculator...

    I know poor taste with such a serious problem so I will delete this.

    Looks like a good mask here but re using the same mask, guess you would need a way to clean it.

    Safe Mask Pro 5 Finally Available - Selling out fast

    Cant find the pro-5 price
    but others on amazon https://www.amazon.com/s?i=tools&rh=...09&ref=sr_pg_1

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    The estimate was that if we let it run through the population and did nothing that it would cause 2.2 million deaths in the US. But that assumes the affected individuals could get health care.

    In the (unlikely) absence of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour, we would expect a peak in mortality (daily deaths) to occur after approximately 3 months (Figure 1A). In such scenarios, given an estimated R0 of 2.4, we predict 81% of the GB and US populations would be infected over the course of the epidemic. Epidemic timings are approximate given the limitations of surveillance data in both countries: The epidemic is predicted to be broader in the US than in GB and to peak slightly later. This is due to the larger geographic scale of the US, resulting in more distinct localised epidemics across states (Figure 1B) than seen across GB. The higher peak in mortality in GB 16 March 2020 Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team is due to the smaller size of the country and its older population compared with the US. In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality. p.6
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imp...16-03-2020.pdf

    I emphasized the last sentence. If patients can't get medical care deaths would be a multiple of 2.2 million. This would massively overload our health care system. We are still at the start of this and already we have health care facilities in some cities overwhelmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    No, it's not the same. You could read up on it.

    Once we have some immunity, maybe a vaccine that sort of tracks it, then it's another flu bug.

    Until then it's something that spreads like wildfire, best contained by a regimen of testing and isolation, to be followed by having both better treatments / protocols and sufficient supplies to use them -- still later maybe a vaccine. If we don't take steps (right now mostly avoiding contact with the virus and the larger groups where it's almost sure to be present) it will become a much larger problem before it gets better.

    We have a choice - stop it soon as we can -- or see it become something like the Spanish Flu (that, too, "just" an influenza virus).
    There are several strong similarities to "the seasonal flu" . Also similar to SARS, MERS and others.

    Both are virus (as opposed to bacterial etc.)

    Both are transmitted by transfer of the virus it's self. (no magic "ill vapours", fleas, ticks or rats )

    Both manifest with very similar symptoms , cough, head ache etc.

    Both kill by the same mechanisms, predominantly respiratory failure.

    The differences is in the timing and the intensity.

    It will be most educational to follow Belarus and Sweden, along with some of the South American states that have announce an intent to NOT adhere to draconian isolation practices. Time will tell how that works out . Statistics and all that....

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    QT:

    But with higher numbers of bank guard shooting people that might cut down the number of corona virus deaths.
    Cant die if you are already dead... i think...wait, where is my calculator...
    But if you are twice dead , can you still vote? ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    But if you are twice dead , can you still vote? ;-)
    If you kill a zombie, does that mean it comes back to (regular) life?

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    How many times have you had influenza in your life? How many times did you go to the doctor because of it? At 64 I've had it many times and can only remember going to the doctor twice. Never to the hospital.

    So what about right now? How many people in the US have it and are not sick at all, or not sick enough to go to the doctor? There are those that say that possibly millions of Americans have/had Covid-19.

    Most of us can't get tested unless we have severe symptoms, so the only confirmed cases are the really bad ones. What about the rest of them? The vast majority of people are not going to get very sick and are not part of the statistics. How many people is that? Millions sounds plausible to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptsmith View Post
    How many times have you had influenza in your life? How many times did you go to the doctor because of it? At 64 I've had it many times and can only remember going to the doctor twice. Never to the hospital.

    So what about right now? How many people in the US have it and are not sick at all, or not sick enough to go to the doctor? There are those that say that possibly millions of Americans have/had Covid-19.

    Most of us can't get tested unless we have severe symptoms, so the only confirmed cases are the really bad ones. What about the rest of them? The vast majority of people are not going to get very sick and are not part of the statistics. How many people is that? Millions sounds plausible to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    But if you are twice dead , can you still vote? ;-)
    Only in Cook County.
    Chicago saying..when I die bury me in cook county so I can still vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nice Guy View Post
    The indoctrinated dipshit is enjoying the view from mom's basement today.

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    Posting this copy here as well as the other Cov19 thread

    So there's talk about the mail possibly being contaminated. And I thought of putting the important mail in a container outside and letting it sit there for 2-3 days as they say the virus dies off in that time. Then I wondered if putting a elevated base in the bottom and adding about 1/2" of Clorox in the bottom (with a cover on top) might help speed the process. No idea if that's plausible or fantasy.
    But then I began to google Chlorine Gas, thinking about Chlorine in municipal water systems and swimming pools, and they do recommend washing down surfaces with bleach to kill Cov19. And I found a paper where a study was done in Japan I think, back in 2011 about possibly using low levels of Chlorine Gas to disinfect rooms, like daycare, etc. The paper says it's effective at such low levels, 'residents don't need to be evacuated'. So....IF it's viable, why not inject proper levels of Chlorine Gas into hospital HVAC systems to help disinfect?

    Here's the paper
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkmc View Post
    Posting this copy here as well as the other Cov19 thread

    So there's talk about the mail possibly being contaminated. And I thought of putting the important mail in a container outside and letting it sit there for 2-3 days as they say the virus dies off in that time. Then I wondered if putting a elevated base in the bottom and adding about 1/2" of Clorox in the bottom (with a cover on top) might help speed the process. No idea if that's plausible or fantasy.
    But then I began to google Chlorine Gas, thinking about Chlorine in municipal water systems and swimming pools, and they do recommend washing down surfaces with bleach to kill Cov19. And I found a paper where a study was done in Japan I think, back in 2011 about possibly using low levels of Chlorine Gas to disinfect rooms, like daycare, etc. The paper says it's effective at such low levels, 'residents don't need to be evacuated'. So....IF it's viable, why not inject proper levels of Chlorine Gas into hospital HVAC systems to help disinfect?

    Here's the paper
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    Get over it!

    If you need chlorine gas to get your mail, life is not worth living....

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    The value in your post is that it proves douche bags are in good supply on this site.

    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    Get over it!

    If you need chlorine gas to get your mail, life is not worth living....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    Once we have some immunity, maybe a vaccine that sort of tracks it, then it's another flu bug.
    It will never be "another flu bug". It's its own thing. Less bothersome to most people but deadly to some, and the some numbers are way larger than the flu-some numbers.

    How do people die from flu, out of morbid curiosity ? Frothing thrashing in distress, or fairly quietly ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    It will never be "another flu bug". It's its own thing. . .
    Well, it's certainly a unique sequence of RNA encased in a fatty ball with projections shaped just right to attach to lung cells.

    However, with a vaccine it could become like polio - a problem mostly solved.

    Even short of that we can greatly reduce it's mortality.

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    Borrowed this link from EG's post number #142.
    The U.S. tried to build a new fleet of ventilators. The mission failed. | Boston.com
    Anyone heard about the rotating bed that KCI was experimenting with about 15 years ago. Pneumonia patients were strapped in and it rotated back and forth to prevent accumulation of fluids. Employees told me they nicknamed it the Lazarus bed because patients near death could be put into this thing and be walking around in a couple of days.
    Not sure if KCI is still in San Antonio. We made a lot of parts for them back till they required all the certification. A few years later they were bought out by a competing wound care company. I have not heard anything about them lately. After the buy out, I think competing technologies and other lines were dropped.

    Still have boxes of KCI parts in the corners, we made 100,000s of parts for them with not one reject but that was not good enough. Some of the left over parts were for hospital beds.

    Anyone know if rotating hospital beds for pneumonia are in use today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post

    Anyone know if rotating hospital beds for pneumonia are in use today?
    No, but one thing that I'm not sure about is whether the lung distress some virus victims suffer is truly like pneumonia. Or perhaps some get classic symptoms, and some don't, even if both feel like they're going to die.

    This is an interesting story told by a survivor, but she's not "well" yet, still feeling the effects of her damaged lungs. And yet her husband (who she thinks is the vector) had no symptoms and seems fine.

    West Roxbury resident explains what having COVID-19 can feel like | Boston.com

    Very odd disease, almost capricious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkmc View Post
    Posting this copy here as well as the other Cov19 thread

    So there's talk about the mail possibly being contaminated. And I thought of putting the important mail in a container outside and letting it sit there for 2-3 days as they say the virus dies off in that time. Then I wondered if putting a elevated base in the bottom and adding about 1/2" of Clorox in the bottom (with a cover on top) might help speed the process. No idea if that's plausible or fantasy.
    But then I began to google Chlorine Gas, thinking about Chlorine in municipal water systems and swimming pools, and they do recommend washing down surfaces with bleach to kill Cov19. And I found a paper where a study was done in Japan I think, back in 2011 about possibly using low levels of Chlorine Gas to disinfect rooms, like daycare, etc. The paper says it's effective at such low levels, 'residents don't need to be evacuated'. So....IF it's viable, why not inject proper levels of Chlorine Gas into hospital HVAC systems to help disinfect?

    Here's the paper
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    What your looking for is a "ton container" of the stuff.
    ton container at DuckDuckGo

    I don't like getting within 50' of them.


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