O.T. Golf club question

gmach10 · Jun 22, 2019

Been playing golf for about 10 years now. Not good just average, 15 handicap for the league I'm in. Being left handed finding clubs hasn't been that easy. I play second and hand me downs mostly. Oldest just got her Masters in Nursing so she'll pretty much be off the payroll second has two more years for a Civil Engineering degree. New clubs aren't an option. (Have you priced the damn things lately? $500.00 for a driver!) So here's my question for those that golf. My used Taylor made R7 driver which is a hollow large head driver doesn't seem to connect as I think it should. Yeah it's not the Arrow it's the Indian I get it. But does anyone know if these can wear out. Do the faces after so many strikes get like an oil can and get fatigued? My irons are an older set of Callaways X22's I believe. My playing partner commented to me that they looked short for me. I measured them and yes they were by about an inch. So I lengthened them to fit my height. (Clubs have a standard length from the 3 iron down they progressively get shorter by 1/2" per club.) I now have a set of irons you could probably set micrometers to. It's a machinist thing.
I also have some older drivers that are solid head, these seem to me to be of a more sound design nothing can deflect. I suppose it wouldn't be good business to sell something that never wears out. I used to fish when I had free time and I thought those guys were suckers till golf came along. Has anyone every experimented with clubs? Drivers in particular? We can't talk about work all the time BTW. Any input or thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

steve-l · Jun 23, 2019

I've been playing golf for more than 60 years. Yes, new clubs are very over priced for what they are, but there is significant knowledge required to make or modify golf clubs and you do not have it. It is possible to save significant money by making your own. Components are available to do this, but your efforts will NOT be successful without serious reading and study about what works and why and then acquiring the skills to do it. My point is simple, it is not plug and play. Success is very much a product of experience. You can do this, but you will have lots of failures.

On the question of club face failure, yes it happens, but rarely. It is usually due to a casting flaw. These heads are pretty well controlled during manufacture and then heat treated. These club heads are supposed to be type tested and certified for adherence to the R&A/USGA COR regulation (COR)being the Coefficient of Restitution or the rate of face spring upon impact.

GregSY · Jun 23, 2019

Golf clubs don't need to 'wear out' any more than handbags or shoes. They're replaced well ahead of that time by the incessant need for something better and more impressive. In the case of golf, it's the allure of THE club that will finally make the difference in your game.

Give your driver to a Tiger Woods or Brooks Koepka and he'll show you just how worn out it is....

hanermo · Jun 23, 2019

Clubs don´t wear out.

The have different lengths and stiffnesses, so a given club will be different to a given player.
Grip thicknesses also vary, can be changed.

Most people don´t use the right stiffness.
When young, I used flexible (less than medium) shafts to get excellent results, as I was not strong.
More floppy and a bit harder to use but get excellent results if your technique and impact points are good.
Flexible gets longer shots for average players, but is harder to control.

Stiff shafts are for those who can hit 240 m drives (me).
Have about 20 trophies here and there, started at 13.

I might hit 240 with a modern titanium faced driver, and maybe 230-235 with a 20-30 year old driver.

jrmach · Jun 23, 2019

Golf can be like a "sport" maybe,,but at my level "I suck",,I think all clubs suck
That said,Driving is my strongest point,it is the funnest
I am on my 3rd driver now "Cleveland Hi Bore" and what a difference,,,I love it,,,
Machinist for 20 plus years now,no way would I even try to make a better club,,,need different and better methods than available to me,especially cost wise
Grass growing is about as exciting as watching golf on TV
But try the game yourself,it is an impossible game to perfect

Guest · Jun 23, 2019

I had to quit playing golf because of a bad back. In my opinion left handers don't belong on a golf course. Nothing is worse than thinking some hacker is playing the wrong fairway and hitting in your direction.

CarlBoyd · Jun 23, 2019

I worked in a golf shop from age 16 until I graduated college. I modified and fixed clubs, I also sold clubs.

My advice is to spend money on lessons, not equipment. You have decent clubs, learn to use them.

And spend at least 2 hours a week at the driving range.

Your handicap ain't bad, better than 70% of golfers.

May all your putts drop.
CarlBoyd

gmach10 · Jun 23, 2019

Appreciate all the info. As far as my lack of knowledge I did a shit load of research prior to making any changes. Shafts match my swing speed, grips sized to my hands, length determined by my height and wrist to floor measurement. Consulted guys who have built clubs before. Some people think the mechanics of club lengthening is a black art left only to those with magic powers. Extension tubes clean, scuff up the extensions and bores use the right epoxy done. Even checked the swing weight to make sure they were all close. I also have some back issues I'm trying to work through. I guess I need to get to the range more often. I'll tell the wife it was your guys idea not mine.

gmach10 · Jun 23, 2019

Dualkit said:
I had to quit playing golf because of a bad back. In my opinion left handers don't belong on a golf course. Nothing is worse than thinking some hacker is playing the wrong fairway and hitting in your direction.

Left handed people are the only ones in their right minds.

GregSY · Jun 23, 2019

Golf is a very difficult game in that you must be good not only at hitting the ball hard but also medium and softly. And accurately. Unlike a lot of sports, you can't be good at just one aspect of the game.

That said, I dislike golf for reasons not related to the game itself. It's expensive, you have to vie for a tee time, and you're constantly having to put up with other people playing at the same time. They're too slow, or too fast, or too loud, or just dicks in general. Playing golf is like being in traffic that you had to pay $200 and wait two weeks to sit in.

NAST555 · Jun 24, 2019

So I suck at Golf... I truthfully do. Been playing for roughly 6 years now (Long story short I played soccer for years with mates and we wanted to find something else to do as a group and landed up with golf as they had all played before, I was the only newbie).

You have decent clubs, I started off with hand me downs and played off of a 36 handicap for a long time. I am a tall guy and have never had my clubs extended, I really should do, but am ambidextrous so I play right handed, even thought I am left handed I also Batt right handed (for you Murica guys thats cricket) and bowl left handed . I am currently a 20 and CAN drive further than you do... that is not bragging but it is more of a hit and miss. Either it is dead straight and 220M or so far in the shit and 270M.

I have snapped two driver shafts (regular flex) and settled on a stiff shaft driver. All of those were bought used. Irons were new, Cleveland regular flex CG16's. My damn bag cost me more than the clubs. I currently have a last generation Taylormade burner driver and that thing still hits skew... It is not the player, it's the bloody game of golf!

If you play off of a 15 that's an awesome place to be. We win loads of games because we put someone like myself with a lower handicap (have friends that are scratch) and dovetail it. The way I see it the people that play golf for fun are either absolutely crazy... or machinists... or both.

guest · Jun 24, 2019

Golf is a very easy game. Hit the ball, go find it, hit it again.

I used to spend hours in the backyard chipping into a 5 gallon bucket.

If you have a good short game, you don't need to hit 230 off the tee. I teed off with a 3 iron. I was better off hitting 190 in the fairway than 220 in the woods.

Mtndew · Jun 24, 2019

gmach10 said:
Been playing golf for about 10 years now. Not good just average, 15 handicap for the league I'm in. Being left handed finding clubs hasn't been that easy. I play second and hand me downs mostly. Oldest just got her Masters in Nursing so she'll pretty much be off the payroll second has two more years for a Civil Engineering degree. New clubs aren't an option. (Have you priced the damn things lately? $500.00 for a driver!) So here's my question for those that golf. My used Taylor made R7 driver which is a hollow large head driver doesn't seem to connect as I think it should. Yeah it's not the Arrow it's the Indian I get it. But does anyone know if these can wear out. Do the faces after so many strikes get like an oil can and get fatigued? My irons are an older set of Callaways X22's I believe. My playing partner commented to me that they looked short for me. I measured them and yes they were by about an inch. So I lengthened them to fit my height. (Clubs have a standard length from the 3 iron down they progressively get shorter by 1/2" per club.) I now have a set of irons you could probably set micrometers to. It's a machinist thing.
I also have some older drivers that are solid head, these seem to me to be of a more sound design nothing can deflect. I suppose it wouldn't be good business to sell something that never wears out. I used to fish when I had free time and I thought those guys were suckers till golf came along. Has anyone every experimented with clubs? Drivers in particular? We can't talk about work all the time BTW. Any input or thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

Only fools pay $500 for a new driver.
Head to Dunham's,Carl's Golfland,Amazon or any other big sports store and look through their last year models or clearance models.
My buddy golfs left handed and he gets deals on clubs that piss me off!

The first set of irons I bought when I was 25-ish. And had them for 20 years until a couple of years ago when I saw a deal that was too good to pass up. I bought the Taylor Made Aero irons for $300.
My driver is the R9 and I'll probably keep that for another 5 years.

Your R7 is still a very good club.

gmach10 · Jun 24, 2019

NAST555 said:
So I suck at Golf... I truthfully do. Been playing for roughly 6 years now (Long story short I played soccer for years with mates and we wanted to find something else to do as a group and landed up with golf as they had all played before, I was the only newbie).

You have decent clubs, I started off with hand me downs and played off of a 36 handicap for a long time. I am a tall guy and have never had my clubs extended, I really should do, but am ambidextrous so I play right handed, even thought I am left handed I also Batt right handed (for you Murica guys thats cricket) and bowl left handed . I am currently a 20 and CAN drive further than you do... that is not bragging but it is more of a hit and miss. Either it is dead straight and 220M or so far in the shit and 270M.

I have snapped two driver shafts (regular flex) and settled on a stiff shaft driver. All of those were bought used. Irons were new, Cleveland regular flex CG16's. My damn bag cost me more than the clubs. I currently have a last generation Taylormade burner driver and that thing still hits skew... It is not the player, it's the bloody game of golf!

If you play off of a 15 that's an awesome place to be. We win loads of games because we put someone like myself with a lower handicap (have friends that are scratch) and dovetail it. The way I see it the people that play golf for fun are either absolutely crazy... or machinists... or both.

I used to play with my Dad and his buddies. All were in their 80's at the time. They'd hit off the tee and maybe go 125 150 tops, I get up there swing for the cheap seats and I'm also 150 out only 2 fairways over. I play because it's one day a week for ME. If I get better great if not so be it. Right now my drives are usually 240 to 260 yards.

GregSY · Jun 24, 2019

I used to work with a guy, he was about 60. He was a naturally good golfer, had been his whole life. He had never taken lessons or spent any time of his own golfing or practicing. But, as a sales guy, he got invited to various events and company outings that involved golf. He routinely would shoot par, or a little under. Then he'd toss his Goodwill clubs in the car and not touch them again until the next outing.

Hodge · Jun 24, 2019

GregSY said:
Golf is a very difficult game in that you must be good not only at hitting the ball hard but also medium and softly. And accurately. Unlike a lot of sports, you can't be good at just one aspect of the game.

That said, I dislike golf for reasons not related to the game itself. It's expensive, you have to vie for a tee time, and you're constantly having to put up with other people playing at the same time. They're too slow, or too fast, or too loud, or just dicks in general. Playing golf is like being in traffic that you had to pay $200 and wait two weeks to sit in.

Agreed, you ever consider disc golf? All the upside and virtually none of the down side mentioned. No green fees, tee times, waiting, or cost of equipment.

fry · Jun 24, 2019

Yeah, you can cave in the face on a driver. About any driver made in the last 20 years has a thin enough face it can crack if you hit enough balls. I've had this happen twice. If you really like the R7 just get another on ebay, should be cheap enough.

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Limy Sami · Jun 25, 2019

I agree, the Golf was one of the best models Volkswagen ever made.

Mtndew · Jun 25, 2019

gmach10 said:
I used to play with my Dad and his buddies. All were in their 80's at the time. They'd hit off the tee and maybe go 125 150 tops, I get up there swing for the cheap seats and I'm also 150 out only 2 fairways over. I play because it's one day a week for ME. If I get better great if not so be it. Right now my drives are usually 240 to 260 yards.

I'm almost 50, and I play against my Uncle once a year,he's pushing 85. he hits 150 dead straight. Shoots par.
Meanwhile I'm driving 250-280 and shoot +10 lol.

Shawnrs · Jun 25, 2019

Mtndew said:
Only fools pay $500 for a new driver.
Head to Dunham's,Carl's Golfland,Amazon or any other big sports store and look through their last year models or clearance models.
My buddy golfs left handed and he gets deals on clubs that piss me off!

The first set of irons I bought when I was 25-ish. And had them for 20 years until a couple of years ago when I saw a deal that was too good to pass up. I bought the Taylor Made Aero irons for $300.
My driver is the R9 and I'll probably keep that for another 5 years.

Your R7 is still a very good club.

I Play Ping eye II irons for the last 25years. To me those are some of the best clubs ever made. Pretty much ever club I ever bought except for my driver and putter were used clubs. It is amazing the discount you can find on used clubs. The Callaway irons(Big Bertha's ) I have cost me $35 and I got those at an estate sale.

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