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    Good thing most of the machinists here are also doctors...

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    I propose we retire the phrase "avoid it like the plague".
    Because, apparently we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JST View Post
    Idiot...

    If the immune system did not have the capability to respond to virtually any threat, there would not be a "native American" (so-called) left alive. They would have ALL died. So would all the white folks.
    Which is why vaccinations against measles, mumps, diphtheria, rubella, whooping cough, smallpox, polio and others are a giant waste of time, just let that miraculous immune system sort it out, it'll be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Which is why vaccinations against measles, mumps, diphtheria, rubella, whooping cough, smallpox, polio and others are a giant waste of time, just let that miraculous immune system sort it out, it'll be fine.
    He never said vaccines are useless.

    You, like usual, are just looking for a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipSplitter View Post
    He never said vaccines are useless.

    You, like usual, are just looking for a fight.
    bs. The post that started this said the immune system does not work against a new virus (I'm paraphrasing.) Obviously it's not totally true, but it's not totally false, either. To call people "idiots" and worse for observing that the immune system does not perform well against diseases it has not seen is ... less than admirable.

    The point of a vaccine is to clue your immune system in to a potential threat. If the immune system were perfect and wonderful as some claim, this would not be effective.

    Simple critical thinking. You should try it some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    bs. The post that started this said the immune system does not work against a new virus (I'm paraphrasing.) Obviously it's not totally true, but it's not totally false, either. To call people "idiots" and worse for observing that the immune system does not perform well against diseases it has not seen is ... less than admirable.

    The point of a vaccine is to clue your immune system in to a potential threat. If the immune system were perfect and wonderful as some claim, this would not be effective.

    Simple critical thinking. You should try it some time.

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    Bu-bye........

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    QT:[Good thing most of the machinists here are also doctors... ]
    Yes, it is a darn shame that most machinist have to think at their job and continue to do that in other matters…The news must be always right so everybody should believe that and what they read or see in the movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JST View Post
    The folks with the best responding immune systems survived.
    Not in the 1918 pandemic. Those with the strongest immune systems, died the most. The immune response
    triggered the "cytokine storm" and the the results like pneumonia did the rest. The effects are nearly instant and
    deadly. Young soldiers recovering from influenza died on the march over the mountain in orangeburg, NY so that
    the ship (waiting on the hudson) had half the passengers it was set for.

    See for example:

    Pathogenic Responses among Young Adults during the 1918 Influenza Pandemic

    Actually the march was from new jersey, camp Merritt:

    The March of the Forgotten | Palisades Interstate Park in New Jersey

    Camp Merritt, New Jersey - Wikipedia

    I actually grew up within three miles of that monument.

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    This is potentially a very positive development :

    Spreading Characteristics of Covid-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    This is potentially a very positive development :

    Spreading Characteristics of Covid-19
    And there you go with the best information available today!

    A month ago it was thought the person was the super spreader, now the situation and event. Those persons screaming at the top of their lungs at the store when called for not wearing a mask, city council meetings. Singers belting out a tune can be asymptomatic non-spreaders one day and asymptomatic super spreaders the next.

    In early testing the person tested was asked to cough before being swabbed, coughing would loosen the particles sitting in the lungs and they would be caught in the back of the throat or nasal passages where the swab could reach them.

    Sports venues with thousands of screaming fans, what can go wrong?

    Moral of the story keep quiet, stay away from noisy people, and a year after a dozen or so vaccines are out there this thing may go away. (I will not be first in line for a vaccine.)
    Be safe and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Which is why vaccinations against measles, mumps, diphtheria, rubella, whooping cough, smallpox, polio and others are a giant waste of time, just let that miraculous immune system sort it out, it'll be fine.

    I was hoping "idiot" miraculously did not apply to you.

    Looks as if I was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JST View Post
    I was hoping "idiot" miraculously did not apply to you.

    Looks as if I was wrong.
    You might be forgiven, under the circumstances (difficult times and all) for not having your
    irony detector in operation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    People ignoring mask requirments in store will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.
    I thought you didn't believe in private ownership of guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post

    Probability of getting one poster here to change their mind and agree that laws might be used to change mass shooting behaviors = identically zero.

    Probability of getting me to agree that blanket prohibition of firearm ownership is a bad thing = nearly unity.

    Who's closed minded here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    I thought you didn't believe in private ownership of guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-l View Post
    I think this virus is a great way to improve the gene pool. There are far too many people in the world. The virus helps. It even filters out the stupid first. Don't be stupid.

    I liked this despite the fact that people shouldn't have to die because of ignorance . . . the whole pandemic + racial tensions + economic blunders + the prospect of an imminent election that promises to be the most respectful and orderly in the history of the USA . . . all evidence of the depraved nature of mankind.

    The problem is that not enough people realize they are depraved with faulty thinking and thus enthusiastic and over confident incompetence rules the day until indeed - we have a large scale catastrophe that results in a lot of mayhem and deaths. We need more Calvinists on this forum!

    Looking at things . . . why would you expect anything different?

    At least we carry on our conversations with one another with proper respect and decorum . . . it brings joy to my heart to see such mutual respect for one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    I thought you didn't believe in private ownership of guns?
    I offer you a 100 dollar cash reward if you can show where I made that statement here. You suffer from the classic case of conserative closed cranium.

    I make statements that map into your brain a certain way. You extend that mapping to include other, non-related, extraneous ideas. In doing so you fly your ignorance like a proud flag - a flag of simple minds. You apparently have no clue about my thoughts on firearm ownership.

    Ah. you edited that post to include my former statement:

    "Probability of getting me to agree that blanket prohibition of firearm ownership is a bad thing = nearly unity."

    Read that VERY carefully. It's a test. Does Jim approve, or disaprove, of blanket prohibition of firearm ownership?

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    Motion guru right after the first wave you mentioned just finishing a toilet paper machine that was producing scads of TP. Any chance there are more being ordered? Just went to the store last night and the second run on TP has begun. Not a single paper towel in sight for 2 weeks!

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    There is always the possibility of using green rubber bands to shoot the miscreants:
    "People ignoring mask requirments in store will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."

    Ouch!
    Last edited by FredC; 06-30-2020 at 09:25 PM. Reason: added quotatin marks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Not in the 1918 pandemic. Those with the strongest immune systems, died the most. The immune response
    triggered the "cytokine storm" and the the results like pneumonia did the rest. The effects are nearly instant and
    deadly. Young soldiers recovering from influenza died on the march over the mountain in orangeburg, NY so that
    the ship (waiting on the hudson) had half the passengers it was set for.

    See for example:

    Pathogenic Responses among Young Adults during the 1918 Influenza Pandemic

    Actually the march was from new jersey, camp Merritt:

    The March of the Forgotten | Palisades Interstate Park in New Jersey

    Camp Merritt, New Jersey - Wikipedia

    I actually grew up within three miles of that monument.
    When you are right Jim you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    I offer you a 100 dollar cash reward if you can show where I made that statement here. You suffer from the classic case of conserative closed cranium.

    I make statements that map into your brain a certain way. You extend that mapping to include other, non-related, extraneous ideas. In doing so you fly your ignorance like a proud flag - a flag of simple minds. You apparently have no clue about my thoughts on firearm ownership.

    Ah. you edited that post to include my former statement:

    "Probability of getting me to agree that blanket prohibition of firearm ownership is a bad thing = nearly unity."

    Read that VERY carefully. It's a test. Does Jim approve, or disaprove, of blanket prohibition of firearm ownership?
    I found it Jim. You owe me one hundred dollars. I am holding it hostage for the highest bidder yet They are the usual bunch from around here so their money is funny anyway. I don’t know where it has been.


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