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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    Sounds more like he can not visualize a drawing as a functioning assembly. Maybe show him all the parts on the drawing as you guys diss assemble it and put it back together. Once he sees and touches the actual parts and you show him that part on the drawing, he might get a better understanding.
    Doesn't really sound dyslexic to me, more likely a lack of experience with drawings?
    Or he may have a disability that prevents him from fully understanding drawings. I once worked in a company where the head of the Mechanical Engineering department had to have everything prototyped before he could understand it. Some people have an inability to visualize 3D assemblies from 2D drawings. In my experience such people do much better when they are given something like a 3D embedded PDF where they can revolve it and zoom in on details.

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    I can communicate with and understand Dogs better than I can most people....

    Collies are the greatest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1yesca View Post
    ihow are you liking that $4 a gal. gas ?
    our gas ain't 4 a gallon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    You have just neatly encapsulated the reason why that party was thrown out of power in the latest elections. Hooray for democracy!
    Mobocracy is a sore MESSY bizness when a party has to get themselves "thrown out of power" the slow and PAINFUL way...

    ..by "winning" a rigged election just so they can PROVE how dangerously useless they really are to the entire planet.. actually being sworn-in.. so the many and several whiner blamer hater liar factions of parasites can implement a destructive agenda to the serious hazard of the country.

    Up to the States now.

    - See to it the sewercidal parasites have no place to hide their evil.

    - Limit the damage.

    - Take another round at cleaning out the Dumbasscraptic Marxist cesspool next go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    our gas ain't 4 a gallon.
    Back when it was....Obammy said he wanted to see "it to be at $7-$8 a gallon, just like Europe"

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Back when it was....Obammy said he wanted to see "it to be at $7-$8 a gallon, just like Europe"
    It's already gone up $.50 per gallon in Sacramento County.It's real close to $4.00, It's only a matter of time until it gets to $5.00 per gallon.

    The moron in the White house is listening to his handlers and they say that our energy sector must be killed off. That's part of the control factor demanded by our new socialist government.

    Demo-lib-scum are collectively stupid. How's that for my outlook on unity? LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Back when it was....Obammy said he wanted to see "it to be at $7-$8 a gallon, just like Europe"
    It may hit $4 again... before one or two Old Skewl Democrats tire of being tarred with the same brush as the Marxists, air heads, whiner-blamer-hater-liars, and burner-downer looters too IMPATIENT to wait for their handout.. to be stolen by their own kind en-route...

    The more things change... the lower the common denominater of the functionality of a mob of sewercidals.

    Those who found a way to cope and succeed? DID succeed. Took their OWN road. Built a genuine LIFE off their own honest effort! Good on 'em, one and all. Politics be damned. They are among the producers of the health, wealth, and happiness of all the tribes of man.

    Those who would not, could not!
    A pox on their houses. They are the vermin consuming the seed-corn of mankind.

    Succeed they will, never!

    I did say "sewercidal?"

    You'd have to know parasites?
    De-worming was ever and always a slow and MESSY bizness!

    Can't enjoy a mess of that sort.

    Have to settle for enjoying "slow".

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    I went for my checkup and came home with the paper that had my results.
    I proudly told my wife “Doc says I need to have daily sex”.

    She said “ It says you have dyslexia “.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booze Daily View Post
    I went for my checkup and came home with the paper that had my results.
    I proudly told my wife “Doc says I need to have daily sex”.

    She said “ It says you have dyslexia “.
    Newly-married Lady whose first language was NOT English comes back to her new husband with distressing VERBAL news from her OB GYN that she had insufficient passage, and if she managed to deliver a baby, it would be a miracle if it didn't die in childbirth.

    "Doctor says I have a fish in my passage, and if we have a baby it will be a dead Mackeral!"



    And she WONDERED why was he not surprised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    It's already gone up $.50 per gallon in Sacramento County.
    And it's all obama's fault!! Fifty whole cents. Those damn socialists want to ruin *everything*. I bet all those gas companies are just passing all the profits on to Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden.

    You guys gotta quit watching faux news.

    <quiet laughter>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Or he may have a disability that prevents him from fully understanding drawings. I once worked in a company where the head of the Mechanical Engineering department had to have everything prototyped before he could understand it. Some people have an inability to visualize 3D assemblies from 2D drawings. In my experience such people do much better when they are given something like a 3D embedded PDF where they can revolve it and zoom in on details.
    Not a damned thing "un-natural" about that.

    We are BORN into, live, love, and die in a FOUR D world.. having to manage "time" as the fourth axis at least a LITTLE bit in advance to even walk on two legs, let alone not bump into tree branches swaying in the breeze or get et by predators.

    It is actually the TWO-D representation that is artificial, contrived by mankind, and in need of "extra" and NOT natural, learning as the "compressed encoding" it really is.

    The marvel of the thing isn't whether or not it is done WELL.

    But that so many are able to do it AT ALL.

    And how long it took us.

    See Lescaux and Altamira cave art and the ways they hinted at 4-D with only 2-D art - placing "too many legs" to indicate the blur of movement of an animal RUNNING.. as well as 3-D hints.

    Could EVERYONE "just do this?"

    Not THEN.

    Not next year, either.

    Our world-view is suspect and modern-artificial if we believe "anybody should be able to read a blueprint", then marvel over those who have uncommonly good 3-d spatial visualization.

    Nature actually wired us 180-degrees the OTHER way 'round.

    3-D world, 4-D reality.

    And we had to survive in it, shortly after our birth every waking minute of every risky day, lo unto extreme old age.. for a VERY long count of millenia before ever the first 2-D plan was scratched into the dirt with a stick.

    "Retards?

    Which ones? The ones in the back row? Or the mental cripples who PUT THEM THERE?

    A wider view might help?


    Human looks at Bear, knowing Bear is really GOOD at BEING a Bear, no health-care plan nor even any public schooling, doesn't expect Bear to read blueprints.

    Bear carries a multi-YEAR vision in MEMORY of WHERE and WHEN which foods will be best available within a typically nine mile radus "farm" Bear holds just as "personal" as man holds his fridge/freezer. So Bear can survive today.. and also bulk-up body mass for winter.. as they do, and for more than just the one year, already..

    So Bear looks at human and understands human can't DO that s**t as well as Bear.'Or he wouldn't need all those freakin' "supermarkets" and motor vehicles.

    Bear can survive with no outside help but what his UNSCHOOLED momma ws able to show him.

    Can man even learn to pay attention to momma??


    Now.

    lemme tell yah about Cetaceans...


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    I have dyslexia, we just learn in a different manner. I know with myself I need repetition, sometimes having someone else explain a process works as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Just pointing out that there are other forms of dyslexia which specifically involve numbers. As in, transposing digits in numbers that are read, or written. It makes doing math a bit of a handful.

    I suspect I would have done better in math class in elementary school, if I had been aware of that problem in me, at the time.
    Dyscalculia - it's a challenge I fight every day. My other skills and self taught habits compensate for it. Thank goodness I grew up in the age of electronic calculators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booze Daily View Post
    I went for my checkup and came home with the paper that had my results.
    I proudly told my wife “Doc says I need to have daily sex”.

    She said “ It says you have dyslexia “.
    Funny stuff... why does termite turn every post into some nonsensical BS... <sigh>...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGL View Post
    Dyscalculia - it's a challenge I fight every day. My other skills and self taught habits compensate for it. Thank goodness I grew up in the age of electronic calculators.
    Well "humans" program their OWN brains as they grow. Blueprint is only "mission-type orders". "Survive, dammit!!" ... and not a lot more fine detail than that.

    So we are MOSTLY different, one from the other. Only the "similar" portion is on the front of the label when we meet, greet, and cooperate in shared space.

    The differences are in the other rooms of each of our mental cities. Cities. nations, even galaxies. The human mind has incredibly vast space.

    Just try filling one to the brim. It simply expands and asks for more.

    MANY among us have skills we just "do" but cannot explain, and never could relate to school coursework well. Or even at all.


    Case in point. Go for a piss, grab a beverage. Some things take longer than others

    G'Dad shot crow with a .22 if they were close. .300 Savage turnbolt, open sights, if far. Just often enough for the latest generation of crows to calculate the range.

    They are avians, and do that sort of geometry in their efficient little minds automatically. That's why there are so many hard to kill crows even alive. Stupid ones that do NOT know local mankind's killing range just die.

    Even low-brass 12-bore cost cash-money. HE could hit with a .410. Seven-year-old me could NOT. Let alone even POINT a side-by-side 12-bore double.

    So a long-barelled Stevens .22 top-break single shot pistol was my meat gun at that age.

    G'Mum kept rather a LOT of chickens, sold the eggs for cash-money along with the rich Jersey & Guernsey butter & milk. Ate the cottage cheese to-home

    But also kept "inherently Fox Resistant" Guinea Fowl. Chicken's slept and laid eggs in the hen house. Wanted chicken on the table, snatched one up by the legs, off to the axe and messier part, soon eating chicken.

    Guineas laid eggs on the ground in their reserved patch of woods, otherwise roosted in the trees. Wild altogether if they hadn't been addicted to free grain feedings she did reg'lar like.

    She wanted a guinea for dinner, I was sent to fetch one. I approach their patch of woods, they take flight. One .22 round. One dead guinea on the wing. Never missed. Natural "point shooter". As we had always been. Nobody expected to hear a SECOND shot.

    Fast-forward. I'm struggling with Calculus and Solid Geometey at the College of Engineering. Not Failing. Just not getting "A"'s.

    Switch majors to Business Management. Go off to War. Years later, pick it up at night courses, and wuddn' yah know it? Hard-ball commerce needs more complex math than Engineering just to sort megabuck revenue probability decisions!

    "deep shit?"

    Aced the course. Only "A on the final. Never had the least problem, again.

    Thank you, ancient Egypt!

    Specifically Dr. Thanaa Khalil, ex University of Cairo.

    Who got his ENTIRE average-age 30-something evening class down on our knees at floor-tile level.. as he chalked floor tiles .. to see to it we UNDERSTOOD what went on as Calculus "integrated" the area under the curve.

    The easy part.

    And how and why a singularity such as a POINT having theoretically neither dimension nor any position but where it WAS ... could own such of a thing as an "instantaneous SLOPE" ... of a line as wasn't yet drawn by its movement.

    Oh. Shit. Where it is GOING to be? THAT SIMPLE?

    Why TF didn't you pompous assholes ever ASK the right QUESTION of me?

    I alway had the right answer first. I was never able to "show my work". Just TELL you "because it is RIGHT!" And it WAS "right"

    What's that got to do with a small child's "meat gun?"

    How TF does ANY human hunter ever HIT a bird on the wing - or any other moving target.. with a thrown stick, a stone, a blowgun dart, a spear, an arrow.... or a .22 projectile.... unless said hunter is doing multi-dimension solid-geometry and calculus accurately.. VERY DAMNED ACCURATELY.... in his own head.. in FUTURE-POSITION-ADJUSTED "real time"?

    How does a(ny) "retard" drive a motorcar, haul cargo, or ride a motorsickle on bad ground and/or at speed and not crash nor fall-off?

    We cannot do those things by pure bullshit luck.

    And we do NOT do them by pure bullshit luck.

    But yet? Here we are. Alive. Now.

    Our ancestors did that survival thing. They HAD to do it.

    They did not starve and leave us orphaned before our great grandparents were even conceived.

    I mean. We ARE "here", yah? Not starving.. even in tough times

    Meanwhile?

    I have knowed more than ONE Collitch Prof whose parents must have never MET... Let alone married!

    Which end of the room were the "retards" occupying again?

    Or maybe we just need a few more Egyptians . .experienced at ACTUALLY teaching .. for many thousands of years longer?

    Because .... as with an incompetent, farmer, hunter, fisherman, miner, machinist, plumber, or 'smith..

    THEIR ancestors did not get to EAT if the job failed QC. If the student didn't learn.

    Sounds like a plan to me.
    Not as if it didn't have a long history of working well.

    Before bandit-cult invaders cut all learning down to but the ONE comic book, anyway.


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    I've already explained that the trans and parts are out and apart and his handling of the drawing was throwing me off. He has cleaned all the parts and helped me with the assembly on a previous unit. I did the Google before I posted and it didn't quite answer my concern.

    I really appreciate those with Dyslexia answering.

    The "more" I refered to was not drug or alchol related. As far as I know he dosen't use any. He's stressed and is just trying to hard.
    The first hurdle was, is his desire to please and impress by jumping right in putting his hands where they don't belong! I have just about broken him of that.

    I have told him to: Slow down ,Observe don't offer any unsolicited advise, feel free to ask questions but Think before you do ,try to answer your question first, and Don't try to help unless I ask for it,and if any thing looks dangerous say something.

    By slowing down and watching he caught a mistake I was going to make on the last big project we worked on.I thanked him and said "see if you were running your mouth and trying to impress me you would not be thinking, watching and probably not have caught that". Any way that made him happy the rest of the day. Got one on the old man!

    I am confidant he can r&r the unit now with a couple helpers. But the rebuilding is a pain. I'm welding and remachining some parts and that is something I don't think he will master. The co will just have to buy new.

    I don't know how ZF assembles these on a production basis ,but I'm sure they have jigs and fixtures to ease the process. We don't, I have had to make what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratbldr427 View Post
    I am confidant he can r&r the unit now with a couple helpers.
    Whole POINT with adult humans is that you have to take them "as built" and use them in their strengths, not in their blinders.

    Human mind is not an ocean you EVER have the resources to re-distill, crack, fraction, and polymerize like an oil refinery might be able to do with variations in feedstock.

    More than once in a while your outfit HAS NO place for a given human's strong points.

    Do NOT burn-up the years of their life, YOURS, or the TEAM in a drawn-out agony of bitching and moaning painful waste.

    Help a misfit FIND a better place, and right away?

    A place that DOES need whatever they actually HAVE?

    "At once.." you will be more productive.
    Your REMAINING team will be happier as well.
    Their morale goes up, not down.
    Their trust in a Manager to do the "right thing" even when it is the HARD thing is improved.
    They fear LESS for their own future, not more.

    Because you did the WISE thing, and didn't f**k about agonizing to no avail over a too-long-overdue decision.

    You have helped them, helped humanity, and maybe even made another friend.

    Not OFTEN a person I had to terminate came back and thanked me.

    The first time - a 22 year veteran, and my own predecessor, failed at assistant-to, was SO much happier in a new job he could excel at rather than fail?

    I kept at it. And then ... in the fullness of time, there were more.

    I don't know how ZF assembles these on a production basis, but I'm sure they have jigs and fixtures to ease the process.
    Last time I looked, ZF was second only to Getrag in global unit volume. Staggering numbers of units.

    So no, not exactly "jigs and fixtures". Highly automated MACHINERY far the more likely.

    Might not be a human hand even in the same room, primary production lines?
    Nor a great deal of human labour COST, either.

    See also Toyota's Aisen / New Process and annual unit-volumes.

    Uphill fight, repairs.

    Costly as they are, new, scrap and drop-in brand-new is easier to afford than present-day manual labour doing one at a time, the hard way.

    If nothing else? Out-of-service or "downtime" can "usually" be cut dramatically.

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    $4.00 GASOLINE? If you were paying attention you saw a lot of people in Texas freezing their asses off. Maybe did not notice that many petrochemical plants and refineries shut down, many also seriously damaged. They were never designed for freezing temperatures, or to be shut down in hours. If you buy plastics in any quantity you would know this. Many buyers got hit with 25% plus instant price increases. Shortage of chemicals to make the stuff. Same thing with gasoline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy887 View Post
    $4.00 GASOLINE? If you were paying attention you saw a lot of people in Texas freezing their asses off. Maybe did not notice that many petrochemical plants and refineries shut down, many also seriously damaged. They were never designed for freezing temperatures, or to be shut down in hours. If you buy plastics in any quantity you would know this. Many buyers got hit with 25% plus instant price increases. Shortage of chemicals to make the stuff. Same thing with gasoline.
    There are a lot of hopefully short term impacts from Covid relate supply chain disruptions, winter weather, the Ever Given debacle and other issues that have little to do with politics. Of course we also still have the looming impact of QE to infinity coming that won't be pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Just pointing out that there are other forms of dyslexia which specifically involve numbers. As in, transposing digits in numbers that are read, or written. It makes doing math a bit of a handful.

    I suspect I would have done better in math class in elementary school, if I had been aware of that problem in me, at the time.
    Thank you Jim, .......I've ''suffered'' the same thing for eons .....................while not knowing such a phenomina exists.

    A bit of a handful? ........and then some .................mind you I've sorta developed another sense - of the ''that doesn't look right'' type.


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