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    QT: [Apparently you do not read the directions. Voltaren is NOT for back pain. It is only for arthritis of ankle, knee, wrist, and elbow. You are not supposed to get it closer to your heart than that. It helped a little with my left knee but what it needs is a new knee].

    Thanks, td, I did not read, so your advice is well noted... *and I will edit that away from my post #13.

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    I have a Millwright friend who had bad knee's and he tried that joint injection stuff. I saw him 6 months ago walking with a snap. I said it looks like that injection stuff worked.....he laughed and said he had just come back after he had his knee replaced. He said "that injection crap" didn't work....lol But as I say about rebuilding "there are many ways to skin a cat". I do like what Dennis Foster said....and others who said to have a specialist look at it before doing anything radical. I'm not real excited what a general GP says, I See a specialist now after 2 GP's misdiagnosed some issues I had. I went to specialists (one was a professor at the U of M and he said the GP had me on the wrong med's. 2 months later seeing the specialist cured something the GP had me suffering with for 2 years.

    It seems there are many experts on this subject....LOL

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    QT: he tried that joint injection stuff.

    There is different knee injection stuff..I wonder if it was Mimedx.

    it is called: AmnioFix® Injectable Granted Regenerative Medicine Advanced Therapy

    MDXG stock is up today to $11.26 from a year-ago price of $5.00

    Recently announced that its EPIFIX is approved in Japan.

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    [QUOTE=sealark37;3770840 1. If you are taking a statin, STOP! [/QUOTE]

    Plus 1 on that. When my doc prescribe me statins my sore back was getting worse and worse. I blamed it on arthritis. Long story short I ran out on a Friday and just figured I would get my refill on Monday. Monday came and I noticed I wasn't hurting as bad so I put it off until Tuesday. Then I put 2 and 2 together. The statins were causing my back pain. I quit taking them that day and I improved every day afterwards. Now my back is not a problem.

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    My left thumb ached and I went to a GP and he said it was Arthritis and I had to suffer with it. The wife won a bingo game, and the prize was a session at an Acupuncturists and he stuck some needles in my wrist, thumb, elbow and connected what looked like a small transistor radio with wire clips. He hooked me up and turned it on. It was a shocking experience, but my thumb was good for a year.

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    If it's a muscle flare up and it's knotted like a monkey fist, Aleve or Naproxen(the generic ingredient in Aleve) will reduce inflammation.

    The best advice I can give you is to stretch, stretch and stretch some more.
    Find some form of Yoga that you can do, before you know it you'll be doing the splits and impressing the chicks.

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    I've hurt my back a number of times playing sports. A few times bad enough I had to be carried off the field/court. Most serious lasted a few months before I got a deep tissue massage that had me feeling 90% better the next week. It was incredible to have the massage therapist find the muscles deep in my lower back that were extremely tight and knotted from the trauma a few months prior. I have gone back to the same therapist a few different times over the years for similar lower back muscle injuries and it has helped me significantly every time.

    My recommendation is take it easy for two weeks. Light stretching each day to keep blood flowing. Take Ibuprofen if you need something for the pain. Find a good massage therapist near you (some will even come to your home) and tell them what's going on. Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdmidget View Post
    Apparently you do not read the directions. Voltaren is NOT for back pain. It is only for arthritis of ankle, knee, wrist, and elbow. You are not supposed to get it closer to your heart than that. It helped a little with my left knee but what it needs is a new knee.
    right. my father developed voltaren. it not a pain killer, muscle relaxant or antiinflamatory. it will do nothing in this case.

    somebody mentioned numbness in the leg: what can happen is that th contracting muscle pinches the ischias nerve. it goes through the pelvis to the foot. you can have a numb leg or foot and it goes away after a while.

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    I had a similar issue, probably caused by lifting a ladder suspended from the ceiling of my shed and twisting around bicycles whilst holding the ladder aboe my head. Could hardly walk 50 meters before needing to sit down.
    Went to see aphysical therapist(chiropractor? Don’t know what you call them). He called is an inflamed muscle due to a wrong movement. Took about 4 sessions of massaging the troubled spot and surrounding/connected areas to be pain free. I also got a hard rubber ball to massage the spot with by standing against a waal. This brought some relief in the beginning. Seek medical advise in case of doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazygoat View Post
    Plus 1 on that. When my doc prescribe me statins my sore back was getting worse and worse. I blamed it on arthritis. Long story short I ran out on a Friday and just figured I would get my refill on Monday. Monday came and I noticed I wasn't hurting as bad so I put it off until Tuesday. Then I put 2 and 2 together. The statins were causing my back pain. I quit taking them that day and I improved every day afterwards. Now my back is not a problem.

    Worse pain in my life was when on statins.
    Doctors were dismissive- "Nocebo".

    I told them I have had this body for quite some time and I KNOW what is normal and what is not.
    I stayed on the meds till a month later a neurosurgeon called me in a panic on a Sunday when they found out my liver was failing and told me to stop the statins NOW!

    I took a month for the liver to stop spiking and I am ok now.

    The pain and mood swings disappeared about a week after stopping.
    I am no longer much of a fan of the pharm approach to things- I had a friend who is a bit older than me- they had him up to 17 different meds a day till he told them to screw he was stopping most of them.

    If I were conspiracy minded I would say the pharmaceutical industry has an outsized role in how doctors are trained.
    Meds seem like the first option where they should be a distant third to my mind.

    And a heads up-
    Daily low dose aspirin is no longer recommended to be taken as a precaution.
    It appears if was found the increased incidence of hemorrhage was causing more deaths than were avoided so the current guidance is baby aspirin ONLY for those with prior stroke/heart attack history.
    Even for that group the benefit may not outweigh the risks:

    Is Taking Aspirin Good for Your Heart? | Johns Hopkins Medicine

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    It's complicated and I actually feel bad for the doctors. Statins save lives and the statistics are hard to argue with. That said, all statins are not the same and some people do well with one and terrible with another. Then there's pain relief. NSAIDS increase heart attack risk and my cardiologist won't recommend them at all no matter how bad it hurts. That includes those diclofenac ointments as well. Aspirin doesn't do much and tears up your stomach. Acetaminophen doesn't seem to do much for joint and arthritis pain either. At this point I'm thinking rum and Coke might be as good as anything.

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    The inflammatory basis for arterial-sclerosis is complicated.
    I would say statins are over prescribed and their widespread use will come to be questioned in the not to distant future.

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    I had lower back problems through my 20's that got worse into my 30's. If I worked my back hard I knew it was going to put me down for a week.

    About 5 years ago I figured out I had food allergy to gluten. Of all the stupid things. My back has been rock solid since cutting that shit out.

    Close friend of mine has a real messed up back. His family has some kinda degenerative spinal fun. He's had a bunch of surgeries and deals with a ton of pain. When they took his pain meds away he noticed he felt worse right after riding a dirtbike, but a day later he felt way better. So he went out and bought a new CRF450X. He rides every week most of the year and bought snowmobiles to ride when the dirtbike isn't practical. For him, it works. He hasn't had a surgery in almost 3 years. He's not good as new, but he can function without any meds and the pain is manageable.

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    One of my HS classmates, his whole family has a rare condition where the spine fuses itself.

    His sister was also in my class, and thru the years, you could see the progress.
    She would sit out gym class, but her brother was fine.
    A few years went by, she was taking gym, doing well, and he had a cane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    The inflammatory basis for arterial-sclerosis is complicated.
    I would say statins are over prescribed and their widespread use will come to be questioned in the not to distant future.
    Based on ???

    Denis

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgfoster View Post
    Based on ???

    Denis
    Based on going to the literature and reading every paper I can find on the subject.

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    I am not a doctor, so I do not give medical advice. I can give mechanical advice, get a gas or electric powered wood splitter, it is much easier than swinging a maul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    Based on going to the literature and reading every paper I can find on the subject.
    How about citing a few of the more convincing ones.

    Denis

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    I read less then 1/2 the replys so this may be a repeat. I use generic Alieve for pains like that. Consider a tens unit. Family friend swears by it for his back. Cheapest source is a porno site or ebay for "estim" rather then officail medical source. Figure out how to use a velcro belt to hold the electrodes in place so they can be reused. Or use conductive rubber tube or sheets
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    Without getting drawn into statins ( do what you will and let that be the letter of the law, Alistar Crowley) I can comment on reading more than my share of studies, last being 165000 patients (uni of Nottingham, British heart foundation) read and decide, removing excess oil from my diet did more than statins but I suppose pouring oil over everything is bound to be less than good
    You decide it’s your funeral there’s only one on the invitation list
    Deeply sorry you screwed your back up, the damage can be long lasting, I’m still suffering from injury from 25 years ago, initially the damage seems to go away but it comes back to haunt you, I reckon your body has been continuously repairing it for decades and as your immune system etc ages it gets less able to patch up the broken bits.
    They say back braces aren’t helpful I found they can in the short term help, pain killers seem to make the long term outcome worse as with analgesia you don’t feel the extra damage you can add, the pain I suppose immobilises you to prevent further damage, just a theory, hope it gets better, plus warm ups become more important as you get older!
    Take care
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