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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by GregSY View Post
    It's ridiculous to suggest the USA has the worst health care in the world. Try getting your heart operation done in Peru or Bangladesh next time you need it.
    Odd, why do so many go to mexico for dental work? How many go bankrupt from medical bills in the US? And over half of those that do, HAD health insurance when the bills were incurred. Yep best healthcare in the world if you are one of the select few billionaires.
    other countries are better billing wise because you don’t survive to bill...

    No I’m all seriousness dental work is CHEAPPPPP in Mexico. I don’t really see anyone going to Canada for dental. The system needs work but hey what doesn’t, want to talk about government corruption in Mexico or women’s right in the Middle East?

    No country is perfect but I think we got a decent thing going here.

    And this is OT of this thread so let’s please get back on track

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    Since it's "Story time"...

    Several years back, I was having some issues with the "Sacro-iliac". Pain in the lower right butt. Crippling at times.
    I was always on edge due to constant discomfort, lack of sleep and fear I would get hurt, or worse!

    At the point when it was getting to REALY be an issue, I started to look for help. Fearing I would live out my days in constant pain. Pain in the ASS at that.

    I have been active with the volunteer ski patrol at the local mountain for over 20 years, and since every first responder is in fact a budding doctor, I started asking my colleagues, some of whom are actual PTs.

    One week end I did a hard and open request for help. In return I got a bunch of good suggestions that had a lot to do with walls, door jambs and door knobs. Hmmm...:

    Well, in the confines of our patrol shack I wasn't going to do anything that would disrupt the normal flow of personnel going in and out, but in spite of my discomfort, I thought I would just go out and ski a bit. Relax and exercise, That sort of thing.

    Well, I made my way down the mountain with a lot of discomfort and anxiety, I was hurting bad. But when near the bottom there was a short section of "training moguls" off to the side of one of the trails.. For non-skiers, Moguls (French for bumps) are a series of bumps on the snow field, and a natural result of many skiers turning in similar places and pushing up the snow. Troughs lay between

    Well, I "ducked in" to those small moguls and made about four quick turns when I heard/felt a "CRACK" in my lower right back, with a pain shooting both up and down my spine and right leg. I nearly fell over, and thought I might have been SHOT!

    Well, I wasn't shot, and in fact, the pain subsided quickly to NO DISCOMFORT AT ALL.

    I have not had a repeat episode of troubles like I had before since! That was maybe 6 years ago. Yes, I've had little stiff session, after "back breaking work" but nothing like before.

    Something was out of whack! And that little "miracle" fixed it. We all should be so lucky!

    End of story time..... ;-)

    Oh, Story time not quite over.......

    There was a message on my phone today
    The log truck load of 7-8 cords of hardwood is supposed to arrive tomorrow !!!

    Wish me luck, and "Back me up" ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark in Portugal View Post
    Chiropractors; I used to use them, I thought they were real. Then one day, the "doctor" made a mistake, and I saw his face, and something he said when he was afraid;
    Now I'm sure it's faith healing, quackery, placebo medicine.
    Exactly. I started getting bad pain in my back after a round of pneumonia. I went to a massage therapist friend, he would not work on it without his buddy the quackopractor looking at it. SO I went. No xray, no imaging, no nothing, just led into a room to watch a video about "what was wrong with my back". Then put in a room to sit in a chair and receive a mild shock for an hour or so, along with lots of other people doing the same thing. No change in the pain despite the lighter wallet, and the advice to come back every week.
    So then I went to a real doctor. I've had a crushed vertebra at T12 for many years, no big issues. Turns out hard repeated coughing raises the pressure of the fluid in your spinal column. This had caused a nerve to "pooch out" of the column at the break, it was/is getting pinched. Epidural worked the first time, after that not so much. I take muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatories when it gets bad. I'm avoiding the surgery. I don't do pain pills for chronic pain.
    Yes, go to a doctor, a real one. It may be as simple as some prescription grade anti-inflammatories/muscle relaxers and some rest. In my book, going straight to a back surgeon is uncalled for, let your GP make that call. In my case it was GP-> neurologist-> neurosurgeon. Then back to the GP keeping me access to the pills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rudd View Post
    going straight to a back surgeon is uncalled for, let your GP make that call. In my case it was GP-> neurologist-> neurosurgeon. Then back to the GP keeping me access to the pills.
    I was actually referred to the neurosurgeon by my Nephrologist (Kidney specialist). Since I was seeing him anyway, I asked if he could order the imaging and have a first look.

    At this moment I'm happy to say my kidney and my back are both behaving; and so am I.
    I walk briskly 1/2 to 1 hour every morning for my back, and drink 2 liters of water minimum every day for the kidneys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
    Thanks for all the support and replies guys, really appreciate the various perspectives.

    As to some of the general ideas, I quit drinking about a year and a half ago and reaped massive health benefits there; agree on that one. I keep my weight reasonable, avoid sugar, do eat lots of gluten but itís primarily from a very high quality local seedy bread with fermented dough.

    I stayed flat until about 1 pm today then couldnít take it anymore, went out to the shop, set up an indexer and worked a couple hours on some parts. I was able to work sitting down. It started to tighten up and get sore but did not go into full-blown spasms.

    I donít *think* this is a horror show injury. Like many here, when I was in my teens I was working in a truck stop and hurt this same area of my back fixing a big truck tire (split rims... yikes). This particular spot has been an issue off and on since. But I donít recall ever feeling it HIT like it did this time. I mean it was instant.

    Iím prone (damn Iím punny) to skepticism with MDís in general and generally avoid them. Also VERY skeptical of systemic long-term drugs. I even avoid ibuprofen; since weed was legalized in my state and I realized I could make a free tincture that really calms the body, I rarely feel the need. With that being said, for my body, ibuprofen is a bit of a miracle drug that seems to do fairly miraculous things even below the dosage others cite as anti-inflammatory. So, Iím taking that now. Donít like the side effects one bit but whatever.

    Iíd love to get this thing fully functioning within a month. My wife and I are planning a 150 mile backpack in the High Sierra (did 230+ last year!) and sheís frankly having a bit of female midlife crises and hiking is kind of her one big joy right now. Itíll be a huge bummer if I canít go. That said- thereís no bleepiní way I could think of such a thing right now! So thereís the goal. I want to be able to hike 10 miles/day with a 30-lb pack in a month.

    To that end Iím gonna try some of the aggressive things mentioned here, like rolling the area, and going walking. Will report back.

    Thanks again fellas. 👍
    I don't think back packing is a good idea until you have been pain free for a while unless you bring a pack mule along, I don't think your back needs the added weight.

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    there could be some truth in this
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    66 years old with a bad disk since 15years old. HS football injury. Find a chiropractor. I found 2 good ones out of about 6 or 7 I visited over the years. The first good one retired,which sent me on a journey of replacement. BUT the first ones you go to may do nothing for you or even make you feel worse. It takes time and effort to find one that works for you. On a more recent note I injured my leg in January and went the doctor route, x-rays, cat scans,steroid shots and nothing has worked or truly been determined. Tried a highly recommended chiropractor near me and 2 visits this week and am showing significant improvement. This would be the third good chiropractor for me if it works out. Good luck on what you decide to do and I hope it works out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrHook View Post
    Then, I found a chiropractor who only uses a small spring-loaded tool that looks sorta like a syringe with a rubber knob where the needle would be. This guy is magical.... $32, 5 min, and new man. I don't know the correct term, but find someone who uses that thing, if you are going to a chiro- as was stated above, doctors don't get paid to cure you, they get paid to treat you.
    Impact Adjuster. I agree, it doesn't look/feel like much but it will straighten you out. The small force demonstrates how weak the back really is. $32 is cheap, mine charges $50.

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    Meh. My surgeon offered a 50 percent chance, that I would be 50 percent better, and that was all it took to get me to be willing to lay down on the table!

    Once you are so fucked up that you can not have a dump on the toilet or stand through a shower, you tend to change your opinions on what you are willing to undergo to get to a point that you can be more or less 'normal'.

    FWIW, I ended up having an L5-S1 fusion and instrumentation. It did not solve all the problems, but it did make my life in to something I could deal with!

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    I hurt my back about 3 years ago. I was complaining and my wife was sick of it. She goes to a naturapath and had some great lakes collegen powder. I took it just to please her and to my amazement the pain vanished. I have been using it ever since and have had no issues. Not sure if it would help you but its worth a shock. Later on I talked to a physical therapist and they said the collegen probably lubricates the tendons and muscles.
    Great Lakes Gelatin is where I get it from, I take 2 tablespoons each morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Tom View Post
    I was splitting wood several days ago and reached down to pick up a chunk Iíd just split and ka-POW.... shooting hot pain in my lower back. I had to use the splitting maul like a cane just to get back to the house.

    For reference, Iím mid-50ís and have been splitting wood in large quantity for 30 years as itís how we heat our house. But, it appears it finally got me.

    If I get up and move around it gets very sore and spasms within an hour or so. If Iím flat on my back I can feel it but no spasms.

    I know this is impossible to diagnose on the internet but still, I know a lot of you have hurt your backs, and any words of wisdom you learned would be greatly appreciated. Hell, Iíll settle for words of pity. This sucks.

    The pain is very low, mainly on one side. However lying here it feels like the injury is a few vertebrae up from where the spasms/pain are happening, if that makes sense? Maybe not. Hard to tell.

    Should I bother with a doctor? Are they just gonna want to do expensive imaging then tell me rest it and take ibuprofen? Should I consider a chiropractor? Never been to one.
    OK.
    Take a breather;
    You're not quiet ready for major surgery!
    I have dealt with some MAJOR lower back, Sciatic nerve issues over the last few years. Spent most of the summer in 2018 on a walking cane. Crawling on the floor a few weeks but had a great exp with a Physical therapist specializing in Sports injuries, and I can assure you, if you're willing to meet their rebuilding training requirements u can get through this difficult time. Three years later, I am pretty much doing everything I was doing 3 yrs ago.
    Not to mention; I've helped move 35,000 lbs of machinery since January. Trust me; Surgery is a long way down the road if you're willing to step up to the plate and let the Professionals guide you to Retirement. Surgery is a dead end for those of us who still need to move heavy equipment for another 10 +++ years!
    Private message if you'd like more input

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    I started cutting off the log pile today. Split about 40 rounds. They all were lifted up onto the splitter by hand (back) .

    Wish me luck!

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    Never do work by hand you could do with a machine.
    Not even if it might be faster by hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark in Portugal View Post
    Never do work by hand you could do with a machine.
    Not even if it might be faster by hand.
    User must be 10 percent smarter than the machine, to make it work for him! :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    I started cutting off the log pile today. Split about 40 rounds. They all were lifted up onto the splitter by hand (back) .

    Wish me luck!
    Vertical splitter ?

    Add a chain grab hook to the moving wedge, and short chain to lift them up using the cylinder.

    Horizontal ? a simple fixed boom, with a cable routed with pullies to the ram.
    Retract raises hook.

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    Like everyone here, I have had many occasions where my back was in knots. Tried many things, do not like to take strong medicines for long periods, but do for short periods. The thing that saves me when the old back is in knots, is to use an iron bar, about 1" by 5' long. Pick it up and stand straight and lift it straight up over my head, then let down my back as far as possible, then back up over my head and down in front. repeat this for about twenty times. If my back is really screaming, I start with a broom handle. I was always pretty strong and it got me into trouble a bunch of times. I'm eighty now and still use this for relief. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark in Portugal View Post
    Never do work by hand you could do with a machine.
    Not even if it might be faster by hand.
    In India, the phrase is "Never do anything yourself that you can hire someone else to do for you."

    Some things I do for the exercise, some I do because I want to. Some things I do are good for me. Some things I do are not good for me.

    It gets so confusing. I think I'll just listen to what other people say, then sit here and smirk!

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    rifle works better than an iron bar! Weighs about eight to ten pounds, depending on caliber and model. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Vertical splitter ?

    Add a chain grab hook to the moving wedge, and short chain to lift them up using the cylinder.

    Horizontal ? a simple fixed boom, with a cable routed with pullies to the ram.
    Retract raises hook.

    Tongs on the tractor loader work the best. sometimes the big rounds are far from the splitter. Even rolling them is a pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalG View Post
    Tongs on the tractor loader work the best. sometimes the big rounds are far from the splitter. Even rolling them is a pain.
    You use the stroke of the cylinder to ratchet them closer, hence the grab hook.

    24"-32" at a time.

    Plus, you use the tractor to get them close, and use the cylinder for the last little bit. Buy qty (2) log grapples.

    If you have a log splitter with engine, pump, valve, cylinder, and tank, why would you want it idling while you struggle and strain to feed it ?

    "Work smarter not harder" rings true here.
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