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    Sorry to hear that Tyrone.

    I remember when I was about seven, came down with a UTI that was so bad I got a ride in an ambulance and surgery that afternoon. I don't even remember if it was really a surgery, or maybe just an irrigation, I was awake for the whole thing.

    Procedure involved a catheter, that must have been a garden hose by the feel of it. And then couldn't pee without extreme pain for the next two or three weeks.

    Nothing compared to yours, but I do sympathize.

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    Congratulations for being one of the ones that takes the finger up the bum, but gets a problem taken care of!

    The reason most don't die from prostate cancer is because the prostate isn't really necessary...they can just run a shunt through it and you'll be incontinent. The prostate cancer isn't the concern...the metastatic masses in your lymph nodes or liver are.

    My suggestion for the OP, take pictures of your balls for your kids to find some day, that's what parents are supposed to do.

    But also, do your kegels, you'll piss your pants less. I know Dad was really bummed out by the loss of his bladder control. (he was one that died with his prostate, fully entombed within a tumor, but the prostate itself was healthy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobbyman View Post
    Mine wasn't removal but before the surgeon went in he had me on a drug that cautioned pregnant women not to make skin contact with the pills. It was supposed to shrink the prostate before he went in. My nuts also seemed to be smaller. I had zero swelling there but the blood clots in the catheter was a problem for about three days after. I was one happy camper when I got the catheter removed. No cancer so all was good.
    I am in Canada to you have to wait. I saw two old guys like me in the waiting room walk out in disgust because the surgeon was running two hours late. We were warned by the clerk so no surprise. I keep thinking that those two idiots likely signed their own death sentence if they had cancer.
    Younger guys: Get your doc to check your prostate!!! Having some guy put his finger up your butt is a lot better than being dead. My doc used to look at my chart and with a smile say: " It's your birthday this month"
    I've got an older brother turning 70 in July. He brags about never having a colonoscopy. Yeah ha ha dumb ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmach10 View Post
    I've got an older brother turning 70 in July. He brags about never having a colonoscopy. Yeah ha ha dumb ass!
    Colonoscopy's are NOT without their risk's.....

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    My PSA spiked to over ten and this lead to a biopsy. Also, family history.

    Do NOT be put off by the stories, they gave me the propofal and put me out for it, zero
    discomfort except for the aftereffects. 13 samples all came back clean. Next go around,
    it was back down below one.

    Important tip here, they do not always tell you this:

    ANY sexual activity before the PSA test can lead to elevated readings! This may have been what happened in my case.

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    I work with a guy whose father went in for a routine appendectomy which went fine. But the doctor nicked his bladder during the process and he spent the last 25 years of his life wearing a bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    ANY sexual activity before the PSA test can lead to elevated readings! This may have been what happened in my case.
    Sounds more like bragging than complaining, youngster.

    One of those puts a powerful strain on my memory... can't remember which, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregSY View Post
    I work with a guy whose father went in for a routine appendectomy which went fine. But the doctor nicked his bladder during the process and he spent the last 25 years of his life wearing a bag.
    Hard, really HARD to fathom that there wasn't enough advance over those 25 years for some sort of corrective surgery.

    Then again, it's the USA, and maybe he'd already lost his house and life savings.


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    I don't know the details other than it was beyond repair. He was a fairly wealthy business owner so I don't think money or where he lived was an issue.

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    Joe and snowman have some good info for you. I had mine removed also about 6 year back. The blue balls are common. The catheter is in for 10 to 14 days . I didn’t like that either.

    Kegeling is absolutely important to keep doing (after the catheter is out .). Everyday at least two to four times a day ten to twenty reps. for at least a year post op. Nowadays with the surgery techniques you more than likely can get a handle on most of the leaks that occur... but there will be times…

    Ask the doc about a prescription for low dose Cialis (tadalafil generic in Canada and UK ). This med helps with two post op problems. Most know that it helps with erection dysfunction but the primary reason my doc prescribed it was because it’s also thought to increase blood circulation during the healing process and capillary growth in that area.
    We who have been there are with you Tyrone.

    Info for those wanting to know what to do before any treatments of PCa.:

    First - A guy I’ve known for a long time called me in a panic last year because his Psa score was high. In asking him questions I discovered he had sex with his girlfriend the night before having the test! That and other things like infections and injury to the area can raise your Psa. He had two more test later (without have sex for a week) and they were normal. Just a heads up.

    I wrote this last year to a friend but left out all the options accept for a note on the DaVinci surgery I had at Stanford. I left the options out because they have or may have changed some. So those who are reading this for info need to read up on what the current options or treatment are. Surgery is not the only option and as snowman eluded to …not always the best for everyone considering. Example… lot is dependent on just where the CA is thought to be and your gut opinion so I won’t detail treatment options here.

    You also need to write out all your information for yourself anyway so this would be a good time to start it. You must have all this information to make the best informed decision you can on treatment. I cannot over emphasize this.

    First would be your family history:

    1) Did your grandfather, father, or your fathers have pCA (prostate cancer)?
    2) Did your mother’s grandfather, or father have pCA?
    Second is your general health:
    1) Think about how physically healthy you now are and what if anything you can do to improve that between now and the time you have surgery ( if that is the treatment option you pick.
    2) Diet start right now eating low fat and lean meats in smaller portions (high cholesterol feeds cancer), more vegetables, fruits, and pomegranate juice. (the juice has been shown to slow ca growth)
    3) Statin drugs are good if you’re on them, also shown recently to help slow growth.
    4) Do you have urinary tract problems now like enlarged prostate, slow flow, trouble completely emptying your bladder, ect…

    Third what now do you know from the doctor or doctors and if you don’t know these find out. (**this is important for you to know)
    1) Your PSA number?
    2) Was the DRE positive or negative? (digital rectal exam)
    a. If positive what were the details .How it felt to the doctor size and were, one side both sides?
    3) Do you have BPH (Benign prostatic hypertrophy)? It means and enlarged prostate.
    4) Biopsy report information:
    a. Number of cores taken per side.
    b. Out of those cores how many were positive pCA?
    c. What were the percentages of the positive samples.
    d. What is the Gleason score?
    e. Was there any visual areas of suspect during the ultrasound used for taking the samples?
    5) Have you had a Bone scan? The results?
    6) Any other test and there results?

    Fourth: Suggestions and questions:
    1) First show this whole thing I’ve written to your Urologist and any other doctors you see. Listen to their comments and make notes. Why? Because, for the most of us finding out we have pCA is enough of an emotional burden that we will not recall half of what is being said. Bring the wife in to take the notes also will help and the two of you will remember more of the conversations.
    2) Ask them their treatment specialty because they will be bias toward that as your best option. They may be right… but then again maybe not.
    3) Check all doctor reputations you see.
    4) Was your biopsy read by a pathologist who is a specialist in prostate cancers? If not, have it done by one for a second opinion. I suggest hand carrying it yourself to him. Things can get lost and in the mailing/shipping systems and if does what do you do then?
    5) Get at least another PSA ( I got three before surgery)
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    7) If you decide to have a RRP ( Radical Robotic Prostectomy) check up aggressively on the surgeon. How many has he done? My information worked out to 300 to 400 minimum operations, the more the better. Better results, easier recovery, and faster back to a normal life seem to go with more procedures done.
    8) Keep in mind that everyone you read about or talk to will have their own opinion and theirs may not necessarily be the best option for you.
    9) I suggest you go to this website and join there are some fairly smart lay people that can help you sort out this whole thing. Just don’t forget they are just people like you and me and may be bias toward what they did as far as treatment. http://www.healthboards.com/boards/f...splay.php?f=28 One member there that very helpful is “IADT3since2000” There are other sites go look at them too and read on the web but don’t let it overwhelm you with too much info. Again keep in mind not all of it is from reliable sources. I suggest going to:
    Page Not Found for reading and education.
    National Center for Biotechnology Information hardcore reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    My PSA spiked to over ten and this lead to a biopsy. Also, family history.

    Do NOT be put off by the stories, they gave me the propofal and put me out for it, zero
    discomfort except for the aftereffects. 13 samples all came back clean. Next go around,
    it was back down below one.

    Important tip here, they do not always tell you this:

    ANY sexual activity before the PSA test can lead to elevated readings! This may have been what happened in my case.
    Unfortunately, when they did my biopsy, there was no drugs or nuthin'. It felt like shooting a dildo/nailgun(sorry but that is what it was) up my ass, like what 13 times? One of the most unpleasant things ever maybe except that tracheotomy...that was bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregSY View Post
    I don't know the details other than it was beyond repair. He was a fairly wealthy business owner so I don't think money or where he lived was an issue.
    That's a bitch.

    OTOH, it was 25 years alive, not DEAD, so... he obviously just dealt with it, somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scadvice View Post
    .... for those wanting to know what to do before any treatments of PCa.:
    I almost skipped that for the density and length. Then I read it.

    Thank you for taking the time to put it together.

    It tells me it will be very, very important to do some thorough homework when I get older and into the "zone".

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    Well, Tyrone, I sincerely wish the the best!

    I haven't gone through it, but a good friend of mine had his removed 6-8 years ago. I've never asked him about his functionality now. I remember the surgery took SEVEN HOURS.

    My father-in-law died from it. He was diagnosed with it and had the radioactive seeds inserted. He went into remission, then it came back with a vengeance 10 years later.

    My dad had an enlarged prostate. I remember taking him in for a Roto Rooter job, and he had a heart attack during pre-op. Seems logical to me...

    My doc (a female) does a digital exam on me every year. I wasn't sure about having a woman doing this to me, but it ain't bad! At least she has smaller fingers, and they're warm! She also does a PSA test at least yearly. I had a UTI a year ago and it went up to about 5, but now it's back down under 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve45 View Post
    I wasn't sure about having a woman doing this to me, but it ain't bad! At least she has smaller fingers, and they're warm!
    Warm? You sure that wasn't a "curling iron"? And that she was not grinning in vengeance?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Monarchist View Post
    It tells me it will be very, very important to do some thorough homework when I get older and into the "zone".
    As a counterpoint, I figure I've got all I deserve and then some. Had a tooth implant, that was enough. Anything bigger than that breaks and I'm going to call in some markers then walk to the top of a nice hill overlooking the sea and watch the sun go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaMoss View Post
    As a counterpoint, I figure I've got all I deserve and then some. Had a tooth implant, that was enough. Anything bigger than that breaks and I'm going to call in some markers then walk to the top of a nice hill overlooking the sea and watch the sun go down.
    Much the same. Just rolled the dice on DIY treatment of attempted gangrene and necrotizing bacteria after running a tracked skid loader over my feet and legs.

    Bones healed "straight enough", and I beat the cooties for around $1500 in over-the-counter stuff, no other US Health Scare vultures admitted.

    Can't see bankrupting a very loving and lovely Lady Wife over an Old Fart 'bout ready for the smelter anyway. I shall some day die. My family has been doing that for a VERY long time. We have become rather expert at not failing at it.

    She figures I'm a more current MD than most already, given how I keep catching them 4 and more years out of date, their own specialization, etc.

    To be fair.. I only have to concentrate on researching ONE issue at a time, small DNA pool, not stand ready to cure the whole population on zero notice, all microbes or injuries, and regardless of affliction or family history.

    No one, single, solitary MD can hope to keep up with the accelerating rate of change in the medical field.

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    Sincere thanks to everyone who contributed, I appreciate your good wishes on my behalf. I think most guys on this site will be affected by prostate issues during their lifetime. The ones who won't be affected are the lucky ones. That really was the reason for me posting originally, that and Don's post a few weeks back on a similar subject.

    Men are hopeless at talking about these issues so let's make a resolution to be more open in future.

    I've only just woken up but I'll be back to give a more detailed description of my problems later.

    Regards Tyrone.

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    I guess the upside is no more digital examinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    Sincere thanks to everyone who contributed, I appreciate your good wishes on my behalf.
    John.

    Add my best wishes to the chorus. Remember what they say, about only the good die young. I'd expect you here until 2040.

    My best thoughts are with you.

    Regards Phil.

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