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    Default OT: Shipping/Packaging Question

    I hope this is the appropriate forum for this question

    I have to ship a small wooden crate from the west coast to the east coast. I have a good truck freight quote for a crate that I will build to put the parts in. The crate is 24" x 20" X 9" high and weighs 240lbs.

    I don't plan on putting it directly on a pallet but will build the crate/box with bolsters so a single fork of a pallet jack or a single fork of a forklift can lift the crate.

    I am under the impression that a small crate on a standard pallet will incur the charges associated with the size of the pallet, not the size of the small crate on the pallet. Is this true?

    Will I piss off the freight company if I ship it any other way than on a full pallet..will the forklift driver stab the crate, out of spite?

    I called the local FedEx freight terminal and the fellow said the 'single fork' scenario was OK..but it could have been fake news.

    Has anyone had any experience doing anything like this?

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomarc View Post
    I hope this is the appropriate forum for this question

    I have to ship a small wooden crate from the west coast to the east coast. I have a good truck freight quote for a crate that I will build to put the parts in. The crate is 24" x 20" X 9" high and weighs 240lbs.

    I don't plan on putting it directly on a pallet but will build the crate/box with bolsters so a single fork of a pallet jack or a single fork of a forklift can lift the crate.

    I am under the impression that a small crate on a standard pallet will incur the charges associated with the size of the pallet, not the size of the small crate on the pallet. Is this true?

    Will I piss off the freight company if I ship it any other way than on a full pallet..will the forklift driver stab the crate, out of spite?

    I called the local FedEx freight terminal and the fellow said the 'single fork' scenario was OK..but it could have been fake news.

    Has anyone had any experience doing anything like this?

    Stuart
    That looks kinda small for that weight.
    Adding 6" all around for crash protection would bring you out (on your biggest dimension) to a 36". It may not increase your freight bill much.

    I would procure a 36" pallet, and build you crate on top.

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    Skip bolsters and pallet unless the rate is less. We get a lot of incoming less than pallet size, many with 1 bolster broken off.

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    You pay based on density, so putting your crate on a pallet will be somewhat more expensive,

    I ship plenty of nonstandard size stuff. They don't care that it's smaller than a standard pallet as long as they can easily get a leg of a pallet jack under it.

    That's not to say that the forklift driver won't stab a fork through it out of spite, but my experience is the skid size has nothing to do with that - just depends on how good a day the forklift driver is having. They'll stab forks through standard sized pallets too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish On View Post
    You pay based on density, so putting your crate on a pallet will be somewhat more expensive,

    I ship plenty of nonstandard size stuff. They don't care that it's smaller than a standard pallet as long as they can easily get a leg of a pallet jack under it.

    That's not to say that the forklift driver won't stab a fork through it out of spite, but my experience is the skid size has nothing to do with that - just depends on how good a day the forklift driver is having. They'll stab forks through standard sized pallets too.
    Just checked the density, and digger doug is right, you can go a little larger without getting past freight class 50 (the most dense), assuming your 9" height includes the height of the bolsters/pallet, etc.

    Say we add an inch to the height as the pallet is taller than the bolsters you were going to use, and you could go as big as 40x20x10 and stay within class 50, if that makes you feel better.

    But going up to a 48x40" pallet with the same weight, and you're up to freight class 70, which will increase by some amount, depending on what your negotiated rate is.

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    Not knowing squat about it, the quote I received lists the shipment as freight class 70. What's that mean? This is how the quote reads.

    Stuart


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    Shipment Details

    Origin Zip Code: 95521
    Destination Zip Code: 33838
    Description of Goods: engine parts
    Total Weight: 250
    Freight Class: 70
    Dimensions: 25 x 20 x 9
    Number of Pieces: 1
    Location Types: Business to Business
    Special Services Added:
    Notes:
    Insurance Value: $500.00
    Insurance Quote: Additional $25.00
    TOTAL with Insurance: $320.00 Central Transport

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    So go back and adjust the sizes to 36" x 36" x 18"
    leave the weight the same, and see what you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomarc View Post
    Description of Goods: engine parts
    That's what's changing it to class 70. Many commodities are density based, but there are also many that fall into specific classifications due to what they are. Don't ask me to explain it, I don't know the history behind it, but it's still a real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish On View Post
    Just checked the density, and digger doug is right, you can go a little larger without getting past freight class 50 (the most dense), assuming your 9" height includes the height of the bolsters/pallet, etc.

    Say we add an inch to the height as the pallet is taller than the bolsters you were going to use, and you could go as big as 40x20x10 and stay within class 50, if that makes you feel better.

    But going up to a 48x40" pallet with the same weight, and you're up to freight class 70, which will increase by some amount, depending on what your negotiated rate is.
    I was under the impression that freight class was based on what sort of item was being shipped, because over the years when I got quotes from Freightquote and Freightcenter, sometimes the agents adjusted the class based on the item being shipped and not the weight + dimensions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atomarc View Post



    Will I piss off the freight company if I ship it any other way than on a full pallet..will the forklift driver stab the crate, out of spite?
    The solution for that is double or even triple 3/4" plywood on the ends above the fork slot. It doesn't add much weight.Then if the fork misses, it just slides your crate along without damage to the contents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud View Post
    I was under the impression that freight class was based on what sort of item was being shipped, because over the years when I got quotes from Freightquote and Freightcenter, sometimes the agents adjusted the class based on the item being shipped and not the weight + dimensions.
    Only on certain categories. Virtually nothing I ship has a classification, so my stuff always is dimension based, but we saw with the OPs engine parts, it does exist on other stuff.

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    I found a site to input shipping parameters, changed the name of the item being shipped from engine parts to 'metal & wood material' and it dropped it from a class 70 to a class 60, which I assume means a better rate.

    Seems like there is a lot of voodoo in the freight shipping world.

    This has been a very enlightening thread.

    Stuart

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    In my limited experience. It doesn't matter what they quote you. They will
    send you a bill later saying that something wasn't correct and try to
    charge you double.

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    You say partS, PLURAL. I wonder if it might be better to break it up into several smaller and LIGHTER parcels. Pack them in foam in heavy cardboard boxes. Wrap them in plastic and then spray Great Stuff in the bottom of the box. Drop the plastic bag in as it hardens, keeping at least an inch above the bottom. Then put another plastic bag over them and fill it with Great Stuff until it is full. Then get outer cardboard boxes with one full inch of clearance on ALL sides, including the BOTTOM for more foam packing. Use a lot of fiberglass tape to seal both boxes. Don't use pieces of tape, go round and round.

    You may come out better with four 50 pound boxes as opposed to one 250 pound.

    As for insurance, you can probably get that cheaper from your own insurance company. That's what my employers always did.

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    Everyone should visit a common carrier freight terminal to see what goes on there. Total bedlam. I believe they could easily destroy any kind of pallet or crating unless it is armor plated. And your LTL shipment will pass through a number of these on its way across country.

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    Just to update this thread, I resubmitted the shipping info using a 38X36 pallet and changed the freight class to 60. The quote came back with a freight class of 65 (?) and the cost was somewhat lower than the initial quote. The important aspect to me is I can now utilize a pallet that can protect my shipping crate AND can be shuffled around with any old forklift or pallet jack..I think.

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modelman View Post
    The solution for that is double or even triple 3/4" plywood on the ends above the fork slot. It doesn't add much weight.Then if the fork misses, it just slides your crate along without damage to the contents.

    Dennis
    Somebody hasn't seen the price of plywood recently, soon the plywood box will cost more than the contents are worth...................

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    Wow..as was noted in #18, just priced 3/4" CDX at $82.72 a 4x8 sheet...yikes. The contents are worth much more, but that price is still mind blowing for the unprepared..me!

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    Stuart,
    You ought to use 7/16 OSB. That junk is only 43 bucks a sheet. In 1989 I paid 3.43 a sheet for my shop roof.

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