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    Quote Originally Posted by JNieman View Post
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    How is $0.20 difference somehow going to make someone unable to afford gas? ..
    But it's OBAMA'S fault.

    The fault of the LIBERALS.

    The GREEN NEW DEAL. SOCIALISTS. SAUL ALINSKY.

    The greenies are trying to take hold of everything and it will ruin the country because of THE WAR ON COAL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    But it's OBAMA'S fault.

    The fault of the LIBERALS.

    The GREEN NEW DEAL. SOCIALISTS. SAUL ALINSKY.

    The greenies are trying to take hold of everything and it will ruin the country because of THE WAR ON COAL.
    One of Obammy's first declarations was....he wanted to see $7.00 -$8.00 a gallon gas.
    "So we can be just like the EU"

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphonso View Post
    Which lake? Location sounds like every house on the upper end of Buchanan, east shore.
    The commoners lake, Canyon, if it was on any of the highland lakes I probably would have been taxed out of it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    Texas is the home of Alex Jones .... He reported the virus as coming from China's research lab in Feb last year. Weeks before all the Democrap run media
    outlets reported shit. Had experts agree that the virus was not of this earth, meaning that is was modified. One of the experts he had on his show helped
    write one of the past biological weapons control agreements. You're welcome...

    Research transitioned to China from the US via the Democrap Obama administration. They've been messing with it ever since...
    Alex is bat shit crazy! But if you like him one of the neighbors might be willing to sell their place.
    Alex Jones Promises To Eat His Neighbors. Repeatedly. - YouTube

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    It seems the free market works so well in Texas that some people are getting rather high utility bills- as in the guy who just got a $16,000 bill for one month, when his bill is usually 80 bucks. I will stick with the "hoovermint", thanks, where my Bonneville Power Administration socialist government jackbooted power is around a dime a KWH, as opposed to the 9 bucks they were charging people in Texas last week. Texas: Army veteran faces $16,000 bill due to rocketing energy prices

    His Lights Stayed on During Texas’ Storm. Now He Owes $16,752. - The New York Times

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    One of Obammy's first declarations was....he wanted to see $7.00 -$8.00 a gallon gas.
    "So we can be just like the EU"
    Funny, when I lived in Louisiana, folks from there and Texas, they all said the same thing. High gas prices is the best thing for the economy and jobs, they'd tell you.

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    The utility line construction guys boomed out of Illinois early last week. I guess they are in a number of southern states… Texas may not be alone with power troubles but certainly looks to be the worst by far.

    The power providers are gonna wash a crap ton of money off the books before this is over. Just nuts… Wait until they start buying $8 studs for repairs!

    After many-many years the legendary “gas price” betting pools are back at the Press Club! They’ve been gone since president Clinton opened up the strategic reserves late 2nd term. Kinda like “the misery index” in the late 70’s but very useful to help the kool-aid drinkers moderate their slow selves.

    Good luck,
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    I have some water needing transfer and before I turned that 20 horse pump on I called the local electric co-op and asked if power was back to the normal price yes, $.10 per kwh and yes - no strain on the grid to turn it on.

    Yeah, a one time event every 40 years is hard to plan for. Usually I would have planted tomatoes last week. Weather is now perfect for that but I bet I will have trouble finding transplants this week.:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    I have some water needing transfer and before I turned that 20 horse pump on I called the local electric co-op and asked if power was back to the normal price yes, $.10 per kwh and yes - no strain on the grid to turn it on.

    Yeah, a one time event every 40 years is hard to plan for. Usually I would have planted tomatoes last week. Weather is now perfect for that but I bet I will have trouble finding transplants this week.:-)
    COOL! Can't start tomato seeds indoors here until mid-end March. Not near the worst winter here by any means but well below freezing (day-night) for 20ish days does wear you down.

    Matt

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    That would depend on how far you want to go to find the tomatoes.
    Probably best to give up and start with seeds
    Somehow don’t see restocking the nursery section at the HD and Lowes as a top priority for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    It seems the free market works so well in Texas that some people are getting rather high utility bills- as in the guy who just got a $16,000 bill for one month, when his bill is usually 80 bucks. I will stick with the "hoovermint", thanks, where my Bonneville Power Administration socialist government jackbooted power is around a dime a KWH, as opposed to the 9 bucks they were charging people in Texas last week. Texas: Army veteran faces $16,000 bill due to rocketing energy prices

    His Lights Stayed on During Texas’ Storm. Now He Owes $16,752. - The New York Times
    He freely chose to sign up for a plan where he took the risk of wholesale price fluctuations in exchange for the benefit of paying the mostly lower wholesale price. This was his choice and if he did not bother to read and understand what he was signing up for that is solely his own fault. I'm sure many others have signed up for that plan with the understanding that prices can rise suddenly and they are/were prepared to monitor and curtail use, shed loads to alternate sources i.e. generator, etc. to cover periods when prices go too high. Millions of other Texans chose to not take the risk of such plans. This is exactly how it should be - personal freedom to make your own choices.

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    With all the finger pointing over the recent Texas electrity disaster it seems one culprit has been largely overlooked - the federal bureaucracy. Apparently there was considerable delay before the Department of Energy approved increasing the output from fuel-fired plants during the emergency.

    The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Unintended Consequences and The Texas ‘Big Freeze’ Energy Disaster

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    Irrelevant old man tilts at windmills, says we didn't have enough natural gas, not mentioning that the natural gas was shut down too?

    Yawn.

    I'm not sure how Texas gets to separate itself from the Federal energy sector and Paul will still blame the Federal energy sector when shit goes wrong.


    Someone take grandpa to be, he obviously needs a nap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wp6529 View Post
    He freely chose to sign up for a plan where he took the risk of wholesale price fluctuations in exchange for the benefit of paying the mostly lower wholesale price. This was his choice and if he did not bother to read and understand what he was signing up for that is solely his own fault. I'm sure many others have signed up for that plan with the understanding that prices can rise suddenly and they are/were prepared to monitor and curtail use, shed loads to alternate sources i.e. generator, etc. to cover periods when prices go too high. Millions of other Texans chose to not take the risk of such plans. This is exactly how it should be - personal freedom to make your own choices.
    We have gotten calls on lowering our utility bills by going with other providers. Our provider is an user owned co-op. Every couple of years they give a refund of what would have been unintended profits. These fly by nights that promise lower rates usually can not touch the co-op price and I just tell them no thanks. Evidentally this Griddy supplier has no generating capacity of their own and just buys electricity on the spot market. Not a recipe I want to be involved in. If a regular company with generating capacity has to buy some on the spot market because of extreme conditions their price will be a composite of regular costs and some spot market costs which should not be a big deal. We will see when we get the bill for this month.

    I have never listened to the whole spiel of these alternate providers, but I have got a feeling the possibility that you could have to pay 50 times the normal rate in an emergency is not mentioned except in some very fine print. You know the guy selling on the phone never mentions it.

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    What will be interesting is what the actual cost ends up being.
    Are people back to making parts? If not how long will it take to get back up and running.
    Effect on the oil biz and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    With all the finger pointing over the recent Texas electrity disaster it seems one culprit has been largely overlooked - the federal bureaucracy.
    There is very little to no Federal bureaucracy overseeing the Texas Grid. Short version, as I understand it, is Feds decided to regulate interstate electricity. Texas producers didn't want the Feds to interfere with their raping of the citizens(deregulation) so made a deal that they wouldn't sell across state lines and the Feds bought it. Ken Lay/Enron were one of the more spectacular results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    What will be interesting is what the actual cost ends up being.
    Are people back to making parts? If not how long will it take to get back up and running.
    Effect on the oil biz and so on.
    Thursday and Friday I was assembling parts because the oven heat was dependable enough to set the adhesives. Today I am comfortable that the power is dependable and running CNCs. Next job on the GT will be oilfield, told the customer it would take more time to finish the current job before starting his and he understood because he was in the same boat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    We have gotten calls on lowering our utility bills by going with other providers. Our provider is an user owned co-op. Every couple of years they give a refund of what would have been unintended profits. These fly by nights that promise lower rates usually can not touch the co-op price and I just tell them no thanks. Evidentally this Griddy supplier has no generating capacity of their own and just buys electricity on the spot market. Not a recipe I want to be involved in. If a regular company with generating capacity has to buy some on the spot market because of extreme conditions their price will be a composite of regular costs and some spot market costs which should not be a big deal. We will see when we get the bill for this month.

    I have never listened to the whole spiel of these alternate providers, but I have got a feeling the possibility that you could have to pay 50 times the normal rate in an emergency is not mentioned except in some very fine print. You know the guy selling on the phone never mentions it.

    My coop sent an email this morning:

    "Dear Member, At this time, Hamilton County Electric Cooperative (HCEC) does not have all the information related to the costs associated with the extreme weather event of last week, as discussions are being held at the state level on how to best assist customers. We recognize that HCEC members are concerned about receiving high electric bills. The power cost recovery factor (PCRF), which is the component of your rate to recover fluctuations in the wholesale power cost, will remain the same for February. Some members will see an increase in their electric bill associated with increased consumption, but the rate per kilowatt hour will remain unchanged.
    Thank you "

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphonso View Post
    My coop sent an email this morning:

    "Dear Member, At this time, Hamilton County Electric Cooperative (HCEC) does not have all the information related to the costs associated with the extreme weather event of last week, as discussions are being held at the state level on how to best assist customers. We recognize that HCEC members are concerned about receiving high electric bills. The power cost recovery factor (PCRF), which is the component of your rate to recover fluctuations in the wholesale power cost, will remain the same for February. Some members will see an increase in their electric bill associated with increased consumption, but the rate per kilowatt hour will remain unchanged.
    Thank you "
    Our co-op is too small to know how to send emails, probably more than half of the farmers and ranchers out there do not even have internet. I will wait to see the bill, meanwhile they told me the current rate is still 10 Cents per KWH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    Texas is the home of Alex Jones .... He reported ...
    Alex Jones reported? Really? The guy who escaped censure for lying by saying he was an entertainer, not a reporter, is really a reporter, he was just lying when he said he wasn't a reporter? Right.

    I have never listened to the whole spiel of these alternate providers, but I have got a feeling the possibility that you could have to pay 50 times the normal rate in an emergency is not mentioned except in some very fine print....
    Pretty common in the utility industry to pay way more for on peak power than baseline, even in a socialist state like NH. And some plants do well not running, just by being available in case they're needed. The coal plant in Bow, NH for instance, has run something like once in the last 5 years. Not that anyone'd want it to run.


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