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    Quote Originally Posted by wp6529 View Post
    He freely chose to sign up for a plan where he took the risk of wholesale price fluctuations in exchange for the benefit of paying the mostly lower wholesale price. This was his choice and if he did not bother to read and understand what he was signing up for that is solely his own fault. I'm sure many others have signed up for that plan with the understanding that prices can rise suddenly and they are/were prepared to monitor and curtail use, shed loads to alternate sources i.e. generator, etc. to cover periods when prices go too high. Millions of other Texans chose to not take the risk of such plans. This is exactly how it should be - personal freedom to make your own choices.
    amusingly enough, Texas Republican Politicians dont agree with you- they want the Federal Government to pay these high bills.

    "The Texas Republican Michael McCaul, formerly chair of the House homeland security committee, spoke to CNN’s State of the Union.“The current plans with the federal assistance bill are to help the homeowners both repair, because we have a lot of water leaks, a lot of water damage, pipes bursting, but also [pay] their electricity bills as well,” he said.

    Republicans eye federal funds to help pay Texans’ exorbitant energy bills | Texas | The Guardian

    In most other states, we have laws against gouging customers like this. In texas, you allow it, and then your elected officials whine and go, hat in hand, to the Feds, asking the taxpayers of, you know, California and Massachusetts, to pay the utilities.

    Up here, we call that socializing costs and privatizing profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    amusingly enough, Texas Republican Politicians dont agree with you- they want the Federal Government to pay these high bills.

    "The Texas Republican Michael McCaul, formerly chair of the House homeland security committee, spoke to CNN’s State of the Union.“The current plans with the federal assistance bill are to help the homeowners both repair, because we have a lot of water leaks, a lot of water damage, pipes bursting, but also [pay] their electricity bills as well,” he said.

    Republicans eye federal funds to help pay Texans’ exorbitant energy bills | Texas | The Guardian

    In most other states, we have laws against gouging customers like this. In texas, you allow it, and then your elected officials whine and go, hat in hand, to the Feds, asking the taxpayers of, you know, California and Massachusetts, to pay the utilities.

    Up here, we call that socializing costs and privatizing profits.
    Uhm didn't the federal taxpayers (including Pennsylvanians) pay for your dam system from whence you get "my Bonneville Power Administration socialist government jackbooted power"

    Where's my free powerplant ? with free fuel ?

    We (the ratepayers) had to pay for every power plant in our state...Indiana #1 & #2,
    Johnstown, 3 mile island, shippingport (nuke & coal) etc.

    Again "Where's my free powerplant ? with free fuel ?"
    Last edited by digger doug; 02-23-2021 at 07:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    amusingly enough, Texas Republican Politicians dont agree with you- they want the Federal Government to pay these high bills.
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    Sounds like welfare to me. Can't pay the bill, don't turn on the light.

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    Cruz (Cancun Cruz) voted against federal aid for other places, such as after H Sandy.

    Oh, boy, though, If it's for TEX-ass, he's 100% in favor of welfare from the Feds.

    Yes, the Feds got nothing to do with the Texas problems, they got told to stay home and regulate someone else. And you got what you got home-grown.

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    we went 36h without power from Tuesday afternoon to Thursday morning, with rolling blackouts on Monday and Tuesday (10min on, 50min off, by and large), then yesterday I got bloody sunburnt playing tennis with the kids in the afternoon! Texas is crazy.

    Managed ok with the camping stove, some propane and a very well stocked (kinda overstocked actually) pantry. Eating brekkie cereal without milk was the most unpleasant part. House got down to ~50F overnight and my daughter's skink died which was pretty sad, but other than that we were fine. Made a large french press of coffee every morning and walked down the road to my buddy to share stories about how bored we were with nothing to do. Glad it wasn't colder though, if we'd been further north it could have been a lot rougher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61 View Post
    Alex is bat shit crazy! But if you like him one of the neighbors might be willing to sell their place.
    Alex Jones Promises To Eat His Neighbors. Repeatedly. - YouTube
    Alex has been broadcasting for 26 years teleprompter free. Insiders in the government leak information to him. They do that because of all the
    shit they witness. Some of those relationships are long term. The research staff behind him does incredible work. Channel 9 FrontLine show recently
    had a lot of good stuff to discredit him. But nothing of what he got right. Some of those rights dated 10 years before corporate media started to
    talk about it. So ten years ago he's crazy.... Youtube is taking down his broadcasts but they always appear again. Don't get that. Banned.Video is
    where all his good stuff is. They can't censor his website yet.

    The only part I don't like is when he goes into yelling and screaming mode. I start to understand that he knows so much bad stuff is going on and
    nobody cares or want's to listen. And that Sandy Hook thing was not a bright moment. So what, I've never met anybody that was perfect.

    To be honest, I don't have the time to watch him 2-3 hours six days a week. But when a major event happens they have the real stuff.
    To be more honest, the yelling stuff is entertaining.

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    The Simpsons predicted a lot of stuff 10 years before it happened, too. That's what happens when you ramble on endlessly. You get lucky. Even a blind squirrel... as the saying goes.

    If I were a conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones' followers, I'd be more inclined to believe the theory that Alex Jones' character is Andy Kaufmann's first big performance after faking his own death.

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    Fake news is so common nowadays somebody has to have/hold a stand on actual thinking.

    The Hollywood crowd is devoted to fantasy, Much of the government is devoted to being stupid to get votes, The greenies are good to think green but way far overplaying their actions and thoughts, Libs are wat too lib and conserves way to conserve, world powers are hell-bent on destroying the earth on purpose or by accident.

    It seems that grinder hands and fishermen are the only groups that have much together.

    OT...
    Wow, the stock market is in the dumpster...likely has nothing to do with grinding or fishing IMHO.

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    Buck....I heard on WJR last night about the goobenors "propane campaign"....and allowing
    truckers to drive more each day for hauling propane.

    Back story was something about she nixed a pipeline #5 awhile ago ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredC View Post
    I will wait to see the bill, meanwhile they told me the current rate is still 10 Cents per KWH.
    Never believe what a utility co. tells you. Especially on the phone and not in writing. I'd be buying a used diesel or even gasoline powered pump and ditch the 20hp electric one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    Buck....I heard on WJR last night about the goobenors "propane campaign"....and allowing
    truckers to drive more each day for hauling propane.

    Back story was something about she nixed a pipeline #5 awhile ago ?
    Likely soon they soon will mandate electric trucks only for hauling any kind of fuel..even firewood and candle wax.

    I carry a couple of candles in my snow machine, I could likely live one or two nights and likely walk out of a bad situation at winter fish camp...If they ever open the border to Canada. One candle will raise the temp 30 degrees in a small shelter like an ice house or a big rock and tarp.
    Candles as an Emergency Fuel Source for Warmth, Light, and Cooking – The Provident Prepper

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Likely soon they soon will mandate electric trucks only ...
    Not in Texas! They'll be run with natural gas, supplied by pipeline. Works great unless there's an inch of snow on the ground...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Not in Texas! They'll be run with natural gas, supplied by pipeline. Works great unless there's an inch of snow on the ground...
    It really was not snow. because we believe everything on the internet right?


    Fake Snow Conspiracy Theory: Truth About Burning Snowball Videos

    Speaking of tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, do the ones behind things like this actually believe them or are they started by pranksters to see how many they can fool?

    On gas delivery being restricted by extreme cold some producers do not separate all the condensates from the gas before it goes into the gathering lines. The line from my neighbors place had a low spot that interfered with the flow of gas from here. condensate would collect in the low spot. The operator here was pretty good about doing separation and our royalty checks used to show plant products (condensate) as a line item. Other operators were not as good. A lot of pipelines have above ground valve stations that were exposed to the cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNieman View Post
    Irrelevant old man tilts at windmills, says we didn't have enough natural gas, not mentioning that the natural gas was shut down too?

    …. I'm not sure how Texas gets to separate itself from the Federal energy sector and Paul will still blame the Federal energy sector when shit goes wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by alphonso View Post
    There is very little to no Federal bureaucracy overseeing the Texas Grid. Short version, as I understand it, is Feds decided to regulate interstate electricity. Texas producers didn't want the Feds to interfere with their raping of the citizens(deregulation) so made a deal that they wouldn't sell across state lines and the Feds bought it. Ken Lay/Enron were one of the more spectacular results.
    You both missed the point about Paul’s piece. Due to federal emissions regulations they needed permission to crank the fuel-fired plants up to full capacity. Approval was delayed for days while millions suffered in the cold without electricity. Paul said “Governor Abbott finally received permission from the Department of Energy on February 14th, but by then many facilities found themselves off-line due to freezing conditions.” The Bloomberg article linked below confirms the emergency order, which was issued the day before the article.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mergency-order

    Paul also said “There are many reasons why Texas became like a Third World country, and we should be careful not to pin all the blame on just one factor.” The initial crisis had many root causes but the inability to throttle up already running fuel-fired plants to mitigate the crisis WAS due to federal bureaucratic delay.

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    yep, he is bat shit crazy. My son lives in Newtown, CT.. (SandyHook elementary).
    The school was shot up.. Alex is a fing liar. A turd ... that's why him and trump get along... Along with rush the turd (not sorry he is gone, a traitor to the USA).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EPAIII View Post
    I have been a consumer of electricity for 77 years. I have never seen just where I get to vote on how it is generated. They make the decisions and they just send the bills.
    Seventy seven years! Well Texas has had a Public Utilities Commission(PUC) for only about 45 years. As is usual in the, more-or-less united, United States not all things are done the same way at the same time for the same reasons. Some states have elected commissioners and some are appointed by the governor. Texas PUC comms are appointed. However there is a process in Texas where you can make your "voice heard": Rules & Laws Participate Page The main page is at: Public Utility Commission of Texas
    Lots and lots of information on how exactly the utilities in Texas are "regulated". I say "regulated" in scary quotes for several reasons one of them being this isn't 'Big Government Regulation' this is 'small local government regulation'. In the case of Texas it is the state gov't. There are only three commissioners. Also one has to keep in mind that all three of the commissioners are appointed by a Republican governor. Some PUCs are little more than rubber stamp approval offices for whatever-the-utilities-want. Some of them have some real teeth and the comms are elected and therefore at least nominally answerable to their constituencies.

    -DU-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    You both missed the point about Paul’s piece. Due to federal emissions regulations they needed permission to crank the fuel-fired plants up to full capacity. Approval was delayed for days while millions suffered in the cold without electricity. Paul said “Governor Abbott finally received permission from the Department of Energy on February 14th, but by then many facilities found themselves off-line due to freezing conditions.” The Bloomberg article linked below confirms the emergency order, which was issued the day before the article.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mergency-order

    Paul also said “There are many reasons why Texas became like a Third World country, and we should be careful not to pin all the blame on just one factor.” The initial crisis had many root causes but the inability to throttle up already running fuel-fired plants to mitigate the crisis WAS due to federal bureaucratic delay.
    Ummm... I think Ron Paul not accurate here (it is the nicest way I can say he is lying.) If you read the actual order from the DoE, available here: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/fi...02.14.2021.pdf the relevant part is this:

    "On February 14, 2021, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), the
    Independent System Operator (ISO) whose service territory includes 90 percent of the
    electric customers in the state of Texas, filed a Request for Emergency Order Under
    Section 202(c) of the Federal Power Act (Application) with the United States Department
    of Energy (Department) “to preserve the reliability of bulk electric power system.”"

    So... the permission was asked for on the 14th and they got the permission on the 14th... same day service. At the bottom of the order it states:

    "Issued in Washington, D.C. at 8:51 PM Eastern Standard Time on this 14th day of
    February, 2021. "

    Which was a Sunday BTW. I don't know what time of the day they received the order but there you have it.

    That aside... seems to me that if one had to make the decision where lives are at stake... damn the DoE environmental rules and tell the generation plants to floor it! Deal with the DoE later. Perhaps reviewing whatever agreements and regs to allow one to throttle up during emergencies.

    Also seems to me that Ron Paul is not a reliable source of information on such matters. Fortunately this was an easy one to check.

    -DU-
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    Checkmate, Scottl

    Quote Originally Posted by David Utidjian View Post
    "On February 14, 2021, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), the
    Independent System Operator (ISO) whose service territory includes 90 percent of the
    electric customers in the state of Texas, filed a Request for Emergency Order Under
    Section 202(c) of the Federal Power Act (Application) with the United States Department
    of Energy (Department) “to preserve the reliability of bulk electric power system.”"

    So... the permission was asked for on the 14th and they got the permission on the 14th... same day service. At the bottom of the order it states:

    "Issued in Washington, D.C. at 8:51 PM Eastern Standard Time on this 14th day of
    February, 2021. "

    Which was a Sunday BTW. I don't know what time of the day they received the order but there you have it.
    -DU-

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Utidjian View Post
    ...
    So... the premission was asked for on the 14th and they got the premission on the 14th... same day service....
    So there YA GO the damn GREENIES screwed texas again, they should have granted permission the DAY BEFORE texas asked for it!

    Obviously obama's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeE. View Post
    Checkmate, Scottl
    Scottl doesn't give a crap about facts. Surely you've recognized that after reading some of his postings.

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