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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    So there YA GO the damn GREENIES screwed texas again, they should have granted permission the DAY BEFORE texas asked for it!

    Obviously obama's fault.
    doo you think they can simply "kick tire, light fire" on those things ?

    Recall that these weren't being used as peaking plants all along, so there is some startup and warm up time.
    Could be days.
    And the way these new greeny laws are written, going in ,turning on the office lights to get ready, before authorization, could land the operation manager in handcuffs.

    I would say, the people affected could care less if they ran straight crude, and blew black smoke out the stack, just keep some electrons flowing.

    Just think how much toxic waste went into the ocean when New orleans was flooded during the hurricanes.
    How many carbon credits the state of Kalifornia looses every year to "widlfires".
    Last edited by digger doug; 02-24-2021 at 07:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
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    Just think how much toxic waste went into the ocean when New orleans was flooded during the hurricanes.
    Sure wasn't from oil!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Utidjian View Post
    Ummm... I think Ron Paul not accurate here (it is the nicest way I can say he is lying.) If you read the actual order from the DoE, available here: https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/fi...02.14.2021.pdf the relevant part is this:

    "On February 14, 2021, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), the
    Independent System Operator (ISO) whose service territory includes 90 percent of the
    electric customers in the state of Texas, filed a Request for Emergency Order Under
    Section 202(c) of the Federal Power Act (Application) with the United States Department
    of Energy (Department) “to preserve the reliability of bulk electric power system.”"

    So... the permission was asked for on the 14th and they got the permission on the 14th... same day service. At the bottom of the order it states:

    "Issued in Washington, D.C. at 8:51 PM Eastern Standard Time on this 14th day of
    February, 2021. "

    Which was a Sunday BTW. I don't know what time of the day they received the order but there you have it.

    That aside... seems to me that if one had to make the decision where lives are at stake... damn the DoE environmental rules and tell the generation plants to floor it! Deal with the DoE later. Perhaps reviewing whatever agreements and regs to allow one to throttle up during emergencies.

    Also seems to me that Ron Paul is not a reliable source of information on such matters. Fortunately this was an easy one to check.

    -DU-
    Cant explain why ron paul article implied the gov asked before the 14th. MAYBE they did but that seems doubtful since it didnt really get cold until the 14th, and coldest on early morning of 16th.
    Here is dallas weather history for the time in question:
    Past Weather in Dallas, Texas, USA — Yesterday or Further Back

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Sounds like welfare to me. Can't pay the bill, don't turn on the light.
    If everything normalizes out as socialism which is a ok then something is wrong. I know this is the attempt to make socialism appear as normal as natural law.

    If no one can see the difference then they might as well strike the opposite of Socialism from language because it does not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    If everything normalizes out as socialism which is a ok then something is wrong. I know this is the attempt to make socialism appear as normal as natural law.
    It is "natural law." All human societies are basically "socialist" when they start out. It's only when they get more complex and some people are better able to manipulate society that you get capitalism.

    If no one can see the difference then they might as well strike the opposite of Socialism from language because it does not exist.
    None of this stuff exists, it's all stupid garbage in people's heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    It is "natural law." All human societies are basically "socialist" when they start out. It's only when they get more complex and some people are better able to manipulate society that you get capitalism.


    None of this stuff exists, it's all stupid garbage in people's heads.
    Tribalistic conforms more to natural law than Socialism. Take a best toolmaker in the tribe and tell them they do not own any private property such as projectile points, spears, game processing tools, or even Bows and arrows. Or how about a horse? If I caught it and trained it then I have first dibs on it because I may want to be chief one day.

    I suppose if you carried socialism out to its further East extreme there would be no marriage or the women and men are are open relationships.

    You must know that even in the wild the order is that the strong eat first. Experts can be forced and yet how does anyone know they do not hold back their expertise in hunting when you take food off his family’s table?

    Perhaps you call the basic family unit the first socialistic model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Tribalistic conforms more to natural law than Socialism. Take a best toolmaker in the tribe and tell them they do not own any private property such as projectile points, spears, game processing tools, or even Bows and arrows. Or how about a horse? If I caught it and trained it then I have first dibs on it because I may want to be chief one day.

    I suppose if you carried socialism out to its further East extreme there would be no marriage or the women and men are are open relationships.

    You must know that even in the wild the order is that the strong eat first. Experts can be forced and yet how does anyone know they do not hold back their expertise in hunting when you take food off his family’s table?

    Perhaps you call the basic family unit the first socialistic model?
    Why must you make up so much crap?

    Socialism, cats and dogs living together

    Texas power failed not because of socialism but because of greed by corporations and lack of oversight

    Not socialism


    We are going to bail them out

    Again

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    It is "natural law." All human societies are basically "socialist" when they start out. It's only when they get more complex and some people are better able to manipulate society that you get capitalism.

    None of this stuff exists, it's all stupid garbage in people's heads.

    I thought in the stone age the tough guy got the best meat.
    In the industrial age, the best worker got the best job.
    In a baseball game, the best player got the best pay.

    And in the socialist age, the government guys bureaucrats get the better of everything and all the pea on working-class get what the government leaders decide the workers should get.

    In the USA the best speech giver gets to lead the government even though he/she might be a dumb as a rock.

    But it seems the less work they do the better things are.

    The world will be a better place with having enough bathrooms.

    1.Family - 2.boys- 3.girls- 4.boys who feel like girls, 5.girls who feel like boys- 6 pre op boys-7. after op boys- 8.pre op girls- 9 after op girls- 10.people who don't care.

    Q: How come this bar only has 5 stools? // Because after adding all the mandated bathrooms this is all the space left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Or how about a horse? If I caught it and trained it then I have first dibs on it because I may want to be chief one day.
    Do you know anything AT ALL about American Indians ? The chief was always the poorest person in the tribe because he GAVE EVERYTHING AWAY to anyone who needed it.

    You really should try a book. There is a lot of information in them, much more so than Faux News and Economic Reports.

    You must know that even in the wild the order is that the strong eat first.
    Not in human societies. The reality is not like you read in some comic strip.

    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    I thought in the stone age the tough guy got the best meat.
    You thought wrong.

    In the industrial age, the best worker got the best job.
    In your imagination. All those years on the shop floor, did you bother to open your eyes ?

    In a baseball game, the best player got the best pay.
    Sure. That'd make Vinnie Testaverde the best football player of all time. Dumb.

    You guys are nuts.

    In the USA the best speech giver gets to lead the government even though he/she might be a dumb as a rock.
    You just contradicted your own premise, and also pointed out the basic flaw in democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    One of Obammy's first declarations was....he wanted to see $7.00 -$8.00 a gallon gas.
    "So we can be just like the EU"
    Please post a video of Obama saying that. Otherwise it's just the normal made up crap that the righties like so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    That would depend on how far you want to go to find the tomatoes.
    Probably best to give up and start with seeds
    Somehow don’t see restocking the nursery section at the HD and Lowes as a top priority for them
    I'm an avid gardener (when I find time for it) and did an experiment one year. I started some tomatoes indoors about 5 weeks before putting them in the ground, but also planted some seeds directly in the ground next to the seedlings. The seedlings took a while to take root and about the time they started to really grow, the seeds had germinated and were out of the ground. They all had ripe tomatoes at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    With all the finger pointing over the recent Texas electrity disaster it seems one culprit has been largely overlooked - the federal bureaucracy. Apparently there was considerable delay before the Department of Energy approved increasing the output from fuel-fired plants during the emergency.

    The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Unintended Consequences and The Texas ‘Big Freeze’ Energy Disaster
    I'd ask you if you heard that on rush but it must be some other kook like alex jones. How can anyone be smart enough to be a machinist but still buy into the right wing conspiracy stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    If everything normalizes out as socialism which is a ok then something is wrong. I know this is the attempt to make socialism appear as normal as natural law.

    If no one can see the difference then they might as well strike the opposite of Socialism from language because it does not exist.

    If you do not like socialism, then put out your own house fires, shoot your own robbers, and go be an anarchist go-it-alone-I-don't-need-others type like the capitol rioters. (You joining the March 4th second invasion?)

    Government inherently has socialist components, because it involves agreed-upon rules to let folks live together reasonably peaceably, and (supposedly) ensure that there are no truly left-out people, because they are an unstable element of society. That last part has not been working too well, but it could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Sounds like welfare to me. Can't pay the bill, don't turn on the light.
    Is it really welfare or is it socialism? One thing is for sure. The righties hate both of them...unless it saves THEM $$$$$. Then it's fine and dandy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    Alex has been broadcasting for 26 years teleprompter free. Insiders in the government leak information to him. They do that because of all the
    shit they witness. Some of those relationships are long term. The research staff behind him does incredible work. Channel 9 FrontLine show recently
    had a lot of good stuff to discredit him. But nothing of what he got right. Some of those rights dated 10 years before corporate media started to
    talk about it. So ten years ago he's crazy.... Youtube is taking down his broadcasts but they always appear again. Don't get that. Banned.Video is
    where all his good stuff is. They can't censor his website yet.

    The only part I don't like is when he goes into yelling and screaming mode. I start to understand that he knows so much bad stuff is going on and
    nobody cares or want's to listen. And that Sandy Hook thing was not a bright moment. So what, I've never met anybody that was perfect.

    To be honest, I don't have the time to watch him 2-3 hours six days a week. But when a major event happens they have the real stuff.
    To be more honest, the yelling stuff is entertaining.
    By teleprompter free to you also imply that he doesn't use notes? I've never seen radio people use teleprompters, just notes on paper or computer screen. And I maintain that he is a crazed lunatic and the people that consider him a good source of news are probably in the same category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    The only part I don't like is when he goes into yelling and screaming mode.

    To be more honest, the yelling stuff is entertaining.
    Edited for clarity. Which one is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Fake news is so common nowadays somebody has to have/hold a stand on actual thinking.

    The Hollywood crowd is devoted to fantasy, Much of the government is devoted to being stupid to get votes, The greenies are good to think green but way far overplaying their actions and thoughts, Libs are wat too lib and conserves way to conserve, world powers are hell-bent on destroying the earth on purpose or by accident.

    It seems that grinder hands and fishermen are the only groups that have much together.

    OT...
    Wow, the stock market is in the dumpster...likely has nothing to do with grinding or fishing IMHO.
    Odd that you'd say the stock market is in the dumpster. If trump was still president I'm pretty sure that you would be going on and on about how the stock market is in record territory.. above the levels seen during trumps term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    You both missed the point about Paul’s piece. Due to federal emissions regulations they needed permission to crank the fuel-fired plants up to full capacity. Approval was delayed for days while millions suffered in the cold without electricity. Paul said “Governor Abbott finally received permission from the Department of Energy on February 14th, but by then many facilities found themselves off-line due to freezing conditions.” The Bloomberg article linked below confirms the emergency order, which was issued the day before the article.

    Texas Power Plants Get Emergency Clearance to Crank Up Output - Bloomberg

    Paul also said “There are many reasons why Texas became like a Third World country, and we should be careful not to pin all the blame on just one factor.” The initial crisis had many root causes but the inability to throttle up already running fuel-fired plants to mitigate the crisis WAS due to federal bureaucratic delay.
    Texas politicians wanted to "go it alone" until they needed help. Then they are all singing kumbaya. How about "not our problem" for the "go it alone" crowd. Fuck them. Maybe they will think again about their wonderful "go it alone" policies or next winter we may see the same thing again. But I won't hold my breath for it to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teemfan93 View Post
    Scottl doesn't give a crap about facts. Surely you've recognized that after reading (edit) "most" of his postings.
    More like Scottl is allergic to facts. The righties like to make shit up and spread it like they are making a sandwich out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    Cant explain why ron paul article implied the gov asked before the 14th. MAYBE they did but that seems doubtful since it didnt really get cold until the 14th, and coldest on early morning of 16th.
    Here is dallas weather history for the time in question:
    Past Weather in Dallas, Texas, USA — Yesterday or Further Back
    It looks like you are taking this as truth and that would be rare from the righties. They live on being told what they want to hear, no matter how unlikely it is.


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