Thread: OT, somewhat. Who else is currently under rolling blackouts?

OT: not about energy/blackouts. About brainwashing or not being told the whole story (so like the green new deal.)

Hate wall street?
"Millions of Americans hate wall street."???"
But wait, millions of Americans are a small percentage of the total Americans, so this is more fake news designed to brainwash people.

The truth is also, Millions of Americans have their 401k and Roth retirement invested in the market in individual stocks and mutual funds. So They don't want the market to go belly up.

We certainly don't want people to be convinced to hate Wall Street..and later realize that that is where their retirement money is. brainwashed right out of what they intended. What next, starve to death because eating is harmful to poor defenseless plants and animals.. Cut off your nose to spite your face?

Agree LA tent people can hate Wall Street, it means nothing to them.

New Polling Shows That Millions of Americans Really Hate Wall Street | Portside

Re: The GameStop saga was more than a simple tale of upstart traders taking on big business. But it highlighted again how disconnected Wall Street is from ordinary workers — and new polling finds that even more Americans now resent Wall Street.

*Wait! ordinary workers have their retirement tied to Wall Street.

Re: With Bernie Sanders’s presidential ambitions defeated, the prospect of a concerted political offensive against Wall Street over the next few years is probably slim.

* Good for that, I don't want to be as poor as most people in socialist countries.

* Bernie Sanders likely thinks ordinary workers should beg for food from the government fat guys.

* When we become socialists we need to be sure the government high ups only make $50K a year total income, just like the rest of the dummies who think the socialist government is good,

Originally Posted by woodchuckNJ

So, the question is have you listened to them, have they listened to you. if both start talking, some middle ground can be found. this is a better solution. it resolves issues both see as important. And that's why our system WAS great. Now it's SO broken. we rarely deal across the aisle.

And when the people are bat shit crazy?

That's the real rub here.. and it should scare everyone to the core no matter your predilection... what's the collective health/condition of the 'stuff' Americans are made of?

I think it's going down the tubes. The inmates are running the asylum ..not totally, but in increasing numbers. Logic, reason, critical thinking, etc are increasingly rare and vilified.

Societies rise and fall.

OT: not about energy/blackouts./
We had a Chinese fellow who came to look at our business who if he bought or started a business and hired x number of people out=r government would pay for it. Likely he brought or started a business here but not ours.

No, I have no idea how the tt works.

Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61

It is my understanding that it costs money, don't know an exact amount, to file the documents to come here legally, my cousins are all college educated and working nice white collar jobs. From what I hear if you have the money to invest in America, there is a fast lane with a red carpet. If you are worried about illegals taking your job, you should have studied harder in school.

I am not advocating an open border, but the 100% exclusion policy is not an acceptable alternative. Spring is coming, how many of you are packing up the family to follow the harvests?

I can tell you if you have a white collar job, it is very common to be replaced by H1B visa people or be outsourced overseas. There are many white collar people in the same or worse position as you. There are many who are safe too. Funny the people who do bookeeping (all forms) can easily be replaced by overseas people, but they spoke up against it in congress and congress backed down... it's always a case of follow the money.

While we all blame congress, we should also blame our businesses. They push for these things so they can get cheaper help and help that will do whatever they want, including break the law if the people higher up wish them to.

it doesn't matter what party you believe in, they both do it. They think they are helping business, but they are hurting the USA and the people.

Anyone who hates business should just quit their job and start living off what they can grow in their back yard...Oh, wait that can't work because working paid for that property.

So, live in a shebang and just hold out your cup.


Re:shebang
[SHəˈbaNG]
NOUN
informal
a matter, operation, or set of circumstances.
"the Mafia boss who's running the whole shebang"
NORTH AMERICAN
archaic
a rough hut or shelter... a homemade tent would qualify.

Originally Posted by dalmatiangirl61

From what I hear if you have the money to invest in America, there is a fast lane with a red carpet.

Forgot the numeric designation but it was inject a half million dollars cash, perhaps upped to three-fourths of a million after there was a stink ? Why people would freak out on "that's not fair ! " puzzles me, making someone put a half million into a poverty-stricken area (that's the rules) makes sense to me. Win-win and all that.

Anyway, not a red carpet, takes a couple of years and a lot of paperwork to go through. There were abuses because, as usual, all the lawyers in Congress can't write a clear and concise explanation of the law they are creating. Considering how many of our legislators have law degrees, those people really are a bunch of nitwits.

In America willing to walk down an industrial highway and knock on doors, with using the company broom one can make a decent living.

Originally Posted by michiganbuck

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One more person in the lifeboat will sink it..

Try Japan - too *few* people in the lifeboat will sink it too.

Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein

Forgot the numeric designation but it was inject a half million dollars cash, perhaps upped to three-fourths of a million after there was a stink ? Why people would freak out on "that's not fair ! " puzzles me, making someone put a half million into a poverty-stricken area (that's the rules) makes sense to me. Win-win and all that.

Anyway, not a red carpet, takes a couple of years and a lot of paperwork to go through. There were abuses because, as usual, all the lawyers in Congress can't write a clear and concise explanation of the law they are creating. Considering how many of our legislators have law degrees, those people really are a bunch of nitwits.

I was thinking it was either 1/4 or 1/2 million, but not sure. I'm not so sure about poverty stricken either, there is one of those investors in the San Marcos area, they have their fingers in the trucking industry, health clinics, and insurance company, not sure what else, I know they have put the hurt on the smaller trucking guys.

A law degree doesn't mean shit other than you can memorize stuff and you are likely a pompous twaddle.

Originally Posted by michiganbuck

In America willing to walk down an industrial highway and knock on doors, with using the company broom one can make a decent living.

Most of my latino neigbours - "legal" one and all, and predominently Salvadorean - started out that way. For one of two or three jobs.

Then went on to supervisory roles and/or owning their OWN business. VERY proud that they jumped through all the citizenship hoops - about 9 to 12 years worth, from averaging what I've heard - to be fully legal. And secure in that.

Modifying an old saw:

There are no "shitty jobs". Unless you have no plans to do any and EVERY job well, learn from success, grow into better jobs.

And keep on doing that...

Originally Posted by michiganbuck

OT: not about energy/blackouts./
We had a Chinese fellow who came to look at our business who if he bought or started a business and hired x number of people out=r government would pay for it. Likely he brought or started a business here but not ours.

No, I have no idea how the tt works.

No. The deal is, if a foreign person "invests" (that means puts up cash money, no bee ess on-paper crap) half a million (may be three-quarters now) into a depressed area and guarantees fulltime jobs for x number of people, then he can get a green card. "r government" does not pay for anything.

I have forgotten the name - not EB-500 but something similar to that. You can look up the terms. And it takes a couple years to process, and they check to make sure the money gets spent. No spendy da money, no getty da card.

I grew up in so cal. When u wanted stuff done you called the Mexican guys. They got shit done and pronto at fair money. Often a dad and his sons. Rain, baking heat, utter shit job, no matter. Clean, considerate. No stupid ass jacked up Diesel they couldn't afford. Two wheel drive one ton 'Yota. "Working like a Mexican' was often uttered and it was a compliment to the subject.

Originally Posted by bikebuilder

A XXX degree doesn't mean shit...

.. unless you are also willing to work just as hard as if you did NOT have one... and not-even in the same field, either.

Niece-by-marriage .. when they decide to make if official - took a degree as a nutritionist. Dead-average LOOKS, but whip smart, personable, and a leader, talent-scouted right out of University by the Hong Kong Airport authority for SERIOUS money as a Management intern. Already gone beyond that and gaining altitude, so to speak.

Might never work as a nutritionist, actually.

BFD. Not new.

Humans can do lots of things well.

Go figure anybody says "I AM A....<one job only>.. as if they were a lathe but not a forklift, n'er the chance, whole-life, to be ANYTHING else at all?

Then grumbles because concert sopranos who sing through their arsehole cannot find work?

Well...

WTF did they EXPECT, what with the way they have to clear their throats before bursting into song?

Get a (different) job!

Originally Posted by woodchuckNJ

Again, I am not a democrat. I was repub until trump. I went libertarian, but when they started supporting trump, I went independent.

I am fiscally conservative, socially moderate. I believe in less govt. I believe in self responsibility, but after seeing all the idiots with corona, there are too many idiots. people need to be told some things. just like when you see an idiot that pulls in front of an 18 wheeler and jams on the breaks, when the 18 wheeler is fully loaded ... stupid.. you have to tell that idiot its a bad idea, or give them a tkt for impeading, or careless driving.

personal responsibility means you are responsible.. to many are totally irresponsible, and take no responsibility for their actions (donny boy).

as far as abortion.. funny. you are a repub... less govt, but you want to tell a woman what to do with their body. I believe that I do not belong , or anyone other than the woman and dr in that conversation. so you don't believe in abortion, but I'll bet you believe in the death sentence and war. do you see that as a contradiction?

just to be clear I believe war is necessary, but we should only pull the trigger when absolutely necessary.
I believe in the death sentence somewhat. I have seen it used in cases where there is not incontrovertible evidence. it should only be used where there is an abundance of evidence. And not just on eyewitnesses. people suck, their biases get in the way. if you look at the number of men and women released and helped by the innocence project you realize how many have been shuffled to jail because someone wanted to close the case or charge a black man. So it has to be very clear. Often it's very muddy..

I don't believe in black and white on issues. I think most everything is grey. while you view an issue one way and think it should be this, someone else thinks differently. So, the question is have you listened to them, have they listened to you. if both start talking, some middle ground can be found. this is a better solution. it resolves issues both see as important. And that's why our system WAS great. Now it's SO broken. we rarely deal across the aisle.

I am not quite as moderate as you are at least on the Abortion issue. I believe the child is a independent living being. It should not easily be aborted.

On Trump list his policies and remove your personality issues,I have no problems. I have worked for some real interesting types of bosses. He is not someone who stands out to me. I understand a relative of yours was stiffed for good hard work that they deserved to get paid for and I appreciate why that was wrong.

On most everything you describe besides these I agree with you on. The fact that you are from New Jersey does not bother me as I have a great friend from your State.

Maybe we can agree Biden is struggling.

Originally Posted by boslab

Thought the correct term for American was First Nation, which in fairness is what they were before getting “visitors”, the visitors forgot to go home after the party
Mark

It is sort of like this. There was no clear country here there were divided tribes. They did not call themselves Americans and they did not name North and South America.

Don’t worry about various descriptions very much because as soon as you catch on to why someone complains then they are on to the next complaint and then the next. Best to learn that they basically prefer to complain really.

Originally Posted by thermite

4th century BC.

Most of us can ....if you WORK hard enough at it.

It's just full of uncertainty without DNA because.. well... humans are not inherently monogamous. Men OR Women.

DNA? Didja know that uber-Aryan Weird Adolph had some Berber DNA? He didn't know it , either!

Humans are curious and adventurous.. also careless or even helpless.. as to conception..

Be glad of it.

"By the book" or not? It was whatever it was ....and worked out well-enough that "we are HERE, now". Whomever we really are AScended, not DEscended from.

Regardless....

Not as if you could CHANGE it NOW.. for a grandparent with nicer teeth, stronger knees, less baggy a belly, healthier heart or the like, is it?


"Run what you got!"

Got a great laugh out of this. You speak the truth and yet women do not like to hear that much. The halos they carry with them on their heads make them look really good.

I got my first rundown on this kind of thing going on from the garbage men. They related they would empty the trash and then also make neighborly visits along the way.

I did not quite spit out my coffee on this one but it was close. I do know though that Grandmas always are interested in who their kids really are and who they are from it seems to make some difference to them. That is why old societies track the children by the mother. Unless in modern times someone in the nursery misplaces babies or name tags it should be pretty accurate.

Once the kids grow up a bit it can be very easy to tell some heredity.

Originally Posted by bikebuilder

A law degree doesn't mean shit other than you can memorize stuff and you are likely a pompous twaddle.

It is invaluable in that whatever they choose to work at doing they know the law themselves and keep from actually breaking it. Also they use it to their advantage in contractual types of agreements and negotiations. It is like having a high level mixed martial arts belt.

Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein

Do you have some sort of reference for that ? Because as far as I know, warfare has not been a big part of Chinese history for maybe 1500 years ? And when it was, the Han were the ones getting killed ? Mongols invaded, Manchu invaded, England and the US invaded, Japanese invaded, where did China go to "kill lots of others" ?

@dalmatian : Texas is a great example of the risks of uncontrolled immigration. Or even controlled immigration ! Mexico let all these Americans move there with the understanding that they would become Mexican citizens. The settlers reneged and backstabbed, pulled the Alamo shit and got the US to steal Texas at gunpoint from Mexico.

So the lesson is ....

Yeah war has been inconsequential . Like WW2 and the Revolution add on the war in Korea.

Originally Posted by Big B

Haven't you heard? There is no virus. It's just a Democrat hoax. I heard your orange idol say it himself.

I doubt that. what you probably heard was an edited compilation that made him appear to have said that. What he actually said was that Democrats weaponized the virus (by making the response to it slam the brakes on a previously thriving economy).