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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigor View Post
    Wow..........unbelievable. I'm just guessing here, but you have no idea what operating a business is all about. I read your profile and engineering is "all you". I shake my head.
    Just to set the record straight, I have an engineering degree, but also own a shop with 3 CNC,s 2 BP's, lathes,welders,edm sinker,surface grinder etc. So I do a mixture of engineering, production machining, prototype designing and building. I don't have any employees, so I'm the salesman/programmer/machininist/installer/fixer etc. I bring in people as req'd. I've employed people in the past, and will in the future if required.

    So to your point, I know how to run a business, I certainly could be better at it, but I do ok.

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    Sorry that they did that to you. It could be a lot worse if you had been a whistleblower. Come to Florida and enjoy the warm sunshine and excellent wages - no State Income tax either. Much more laid back down here. Any day is allowed off if for fishing!

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    A friend finished the welding course at the local tech school and was hired as the first employee of a one man mold repair shop that had been in business for a few years. He and his boss got along great, and he had the utmost respect for the man's knowledge and willingness to teach him the basics of what he needed to become a good repair welder.

    By the late 90's he'd been there about 12 years. The shop had grown to several employees. Pay and benefits were good. Along the way, the boss's son finishes high school and comes to work there. Unfortunately, he's an idiot who knows nothing and has no desire to learn. Didn't matter to the shop help though as Junior ran errands and did other flunky work, so he didn't interfere with the shop operations.

    One day the boss comes in, and out of the blue he announces he's retiring and turning the reins over to Junior. Friend figures this ain't a real good move, but it's the boss's business and he can do with it as he pleases. He knows the business is making good money, so if Junior is smart enough to lay low and continue in his role as general vegetable, things should be okay.

    Junior's newfound authority prompts him to develop a big mouth, which, of course, is still powered by utter stupidity. Within 90 days they've lost 2 of their best and oldest customers.

    Things continue to slide downhill, and at about 6 months Junior calls in my friend and another guy who sets up and runs all of the sinker work and tells them he's letting them go due to "business conditions". No notice or anything else. Just pack your personal stuff and go. Just so happens they're the 2 highest paid employees in the shop.

    Friend has some welding equipment in his home shop, so he decides to see if he can make it doing his own thing. In the interest of maintaining what's left of his eyesight, he vows to never strike an arc on another mold as long as he lives. He's welding up broken lawn mowers, farm equipment, and every other sort of junk that comes thru the door, but he's staying busy enough to keep his bills paid without digging too far into his savings. I loaned him an old but functional Lincoln SA-200 portable machine we'd had around the shop for years so he could take on any on-site work that came up.

    Within a year and a half he'd picked up enough work to hire a couple men and was making a decent living. In that same time, Junior had run daddy's business completely into the ground. As is par for the course, Junior had borrowed all he could against the business, and the creditors were forcing an auction. My friend sent him a "so sorry for your loss" type sympathy card and taped a classified ad for stockboys and grocery baggers inside, along with a note saying "With some training, you might qualify for these positions".

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    Just to set the record straight, I have an engineering degree, but also own a shop with 3 CNC,s 2 BP's, lathes,welders,edm sinker,surface grinder etc. So I do a mixture of engineering, production machining, prototype designing and building. I don't have any employees, so I'm the salesman/programmer/machininist/installer/fixer etc. I bring in people as req'd. I've employed people in the past, and will in the future if required.

    So to your point, I know how to run a business, I certainly could be better at it, but I do ok.
    Take it out of that!

    Nice one triumph 406

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monarchist View Post
    More "current" than you might think ... One of the more important parts of the "mission" of such organizations is to train managers and Directors in their responsibilities - ETHICS and good Corporate Governance very high on the list.

    Company can run rather well if fewer folk are always having to make excuses, hide nasty stuff, and look over their shoulder for prosecutors, activists, disgruntled staff, and their various and sundry Lawsters and a hungry "media" chasing-after their sins.

    There was never a great deal of "naivette" afoot among we grey hairs as to what the challenges in that entail. Don't just sit and bitch. Contribute your experience towards change for the better.

    It is a tough job, but good folks do have their successes, and no one feels it should be abandoned as impossible. Certainly not because YOU have chosen to spring-load yerself in the "100% evil bastards" position.

    Most of the folk who slam "Management" that way? Have indeed been face to face with the worst a time or three. Annnd ... can also turn right around and point to a few Managers they actually KNOW PERSONALLY and identify them as "good guys", fair, effective in their work, and a positive asset to their team and company, too.

    Quite a few of those "good guys" - good Managers one can emulate - are right here on PM, too.

    As said - management is a craft, like any other. Universally bad or good, it just ain't.

    You may claim to hold a "majority" view. But, really? That's only within the boundaries defined by yer own experience... or underwear.
    Rearranged you a little for my own convenience, pardon. I have actually thought about this a fair amount, both as it occurred and later, being in China kind of shoves some of this into one's face. I hope you are correct and I wish you were correct but I fear that you are seeing what you want to see, somewhat like Alan Greenspan. Not to his extent but still ... btw, the last thing I would ever claim is to be the majority. That just ain't me


    From my particular generational viewpoint, looking at the history of the US, we weren't the smartest and we weren't the most artistic and we weren't the most swave and de-boner but, as a national characteristic, I would have said our outstanding feature was we were competent. If you wanted physicists go to Germany, if you wanted perfect miniatures go to Japan, if you wanted sexy women go to Paris but if you wanted a landing strip on a coral atoll 3,000 miles from Bumfuck Idaho, give a napkin sketch to the Seabees and three days later you'd be landing P-38's. Stuff from the US worked.

    I think that came from our history. Go west, young man. Shoot the Indians, cut down a few trees, put up a log cabin, plant some corn. When the mule dies, hitch the plow up to your kid Sonny. No snivelling, get out there and make it work or die.

    But all organisms have a life cycle. After a while there is no West left to go to. At some point (1975 is the date on my graph) the US decided to "go financial". That is an entirely different set of rules and thought processes than "cut down tree, make house for little white dove and me." It's becoming much more like the feudal society of 1350 where deCoucy told the king what to do, where the barons cut down the peasants whenever and wherever they felt like it, where the stupid crusades were financed by even more burdens on the serfs, and most of all, where the aristocracy justified all this shit with sophistry.

    My experience in the US prior to 1980 was, it was pretty decent. Not a paradise, not a hell, for middle class people it was true, if you worked hard you could get somewhere. But the creeps in finance had bought the government. Rather than thinking Cincinnati is cool, they are 100 years old, know their shit, it's a good place to work, if you are smart you can graduate from the factory floor to the manager's dining room : people started to believe the Milton Friedman / Carl Icahn crap about "crufty old rust-belt industries, non-competitive, not making best use of their assets" all that shit. And it is shit. Life is not about "making the most money possible". If it were, we'd sell newborn baby girls to the Arabs so they could be raised as sex slaves. Hey ! Made good money on that one ! $2500 ! Whoopee !" It's fucking ridiculous to even begin to think that way. We aren't bank vaults. It doesn't do us any good to have stacks of dollar bills in the glove compartment and it does us even less good for 90% of us to be $30,000 in debt while three of us have two hundred bazillion dollars in their counting houses.

    From the point of view of people ? This whole finance-as-life thing is beyond stoopid. But it is where the US has turned.

    What that means is, what you and I would call "good managers" are on the way out. This isn't a criticism of the character of US people, it's a criticism of the life-view y'all have fallen for. A good manager in a modern company will get canned. There is no option. If you don't do all the textbook shit to "maximize the investment" then you will be tossed on the garbage heap. If not today because it's an old company still owned by the founding family, then tomorrow when Joe dies and the kids sell out. Or next week when some vile stock manipulator wants a real-world asset he can channel his stolen money through. Or for a gentleman workshop, like they do slumming in the wineries now. I actually know of a few like that. Idiots as far as machining goes but it makes them feel all artisanal. It's like resisting the tide. Yeah, five people will find a cave way up off the beach. But the rest are going to drown.

    This is my reason for despising O'Bummer. I could care less what color he is. In fact, I was pretty happy that he was elected, is he not the first non-white leader of a first-world country ? That's pretty cool.

    He came at a time when the population was ready for a change, the "finance as god" religion had blown up BIGTIME. Easily as bad as 1929. Those assholes were exposed as a worse fraud than the Wizard of Oz. He had the chance of a lifetime to re-balance the country more back to where we were in 1970 (without the Vietnam war and without the Soviet Union to worry about. Really, chance of a lifetime.)

    What did the son of a bitch do ? Stabbed us in the back before he was even inaugurated. Whitewashed the entire thing, did not prosecute even one of the big players, had Bernanke silently rob us of half our savings to cover Goldman's losses and make sure they didn't miss a bonus, and didn't even have the grace to hang himself when he was done. He's still travelling the world spouting self-righteous shit and jingling that bag with his thirty pieces of silver. "Lookit what Massa done gibbed me ! I be impotent now !"

    That chance is gone. People are now back to spouting the exact same nonsense that they did in 2005, and no one is tar-and-feathering them. It's enough to make you cry, how dumb people are. The general public, dipshits all, is now crucifying Brooksley Born and Elizabeth Warren. Oooh, they're socialists. Probably tear off their clothes and consort with demons, too.

    Our experience here with several fair-sized listed companies (including Ford, ahem), is that their middle management is college-educated but knows nothing. (Top management is strictly in it for appearances, they belong to the aristocracy and that's what aristocrats do, shovel up cash and act important.) They are greedy as well as stupid and worst of all, totally incompetent. What they seem to be good at is kissing ass and self-promotion. Watched five Ford guys walk through a shop and they didn't stop to look at one fucking part. But I guess why should they, they wouldn't know what they were looking at anyhow.

    I do have specific examples - plenty ! - but I s'pect you don't want to hear them. See no evil and all that

    I sure as hell hope you are right and I am totally wrong. But the past ten years here have disabused me of any respect for the modern US corporation, and the politicians are nothing but their paid-off mouthpieces.

    (The French aristocracy never learned a damn thing either. They finally had to go to the guillotine to knock some sense into their heads. Even then I am sure they believed they were "right" even as they heard the blade rattling down.)

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    I gave you a "like" whether I agree with you or not - a good old fashioned rant has to be appreciated...

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    Sorry this is happening to you! I've been through it and know how it feels. Like many others have said, this ISN'T something you did! Often when a company needs to lower payroll they'll pull crappy stunts like this so they don't have to follow the rules for a lay off (there are actually rules that need to be followed) or, also important to them, announce they had to have a lay off either, as that would hurt the companies image.

    They basically threw you under the bus, to make things better for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milland View Post
    I gave you a "like" whether I agree with you or not - a good old fashioned rant has to be appreciated...
    More an exercise in assembling populist buzz phrases from a kit-bag than an honest rant.

    Give him this - he used kits from center, both wing-nut edges, and ancient history.
    Some anger in there for every flavour.

    Net message?

    "It was all so f*****g hopeless, I gave up in disgust."

    Sad, that.

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    Ive never worked for a corporation,never worked anywhere where it wasnt "Raffertys Rules",with crazy,crooked owners ,tax cheats,fiddles,cutting corners,safety breaches wholesale........one place I was fired,packed up with two days pay in lieu of notice,next morning boss was at my door wanting to know why I wasnt at work...argued for a year about the two days pay....working for myself was the hardest thing I have ever done.......bosses have to pay you....customers dont......then cry when you get the bikies to collect debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monarchist View Post
    Sad, that.
    Did they teach you that in debate class ? if you have nothing to offer, criticize the other guy's tie ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaMoss View Post
    Did they teach you that in debate class ? if you have nothing to offer, criticize the other guy's tie ?
    I didn't do "debate". Competed in Extemp instead.

    But "criticize the other guy"? LOL! Seems to me that is ALL you did.

    Nothing less than take a dump on Western Society, French revolution onward, non-linear rate of decline that just HAPPENED to accelerate to total burnout .. whilst YOUR generation was on watch?

    Not the least bit of your unhappiness rooted in your own mind?
    Or - perish the very thought - self inflicted?

    Of course not. It never is with some folk.

    You've got to have "enemies". And share them. And seek comfort in agreement as to whom the evil bastids are.

    Healthier folk don't waste a lot of time trying to figure out whom ELSE to blame.

    They just do the best they can and enjoy what they can of it.

    After all..

    The mountains are high, and the Emperor is far away.

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    I never had any enemies at work,as far as i know,but I surely have enemies in the city council....they do nothing but harass me........I nearly got killed more than once in machinery accidents,a few explosions,near misses,......fortunately so far I havent got asbestos disease that has claimed so many I knew.....

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    All the discussion about why the OP was canned.

    “Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity”

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyhlucas View Post
    All the discussion about why the OP was canned.

    “Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by stupidity”
    Then again, there's 3 sides to every story

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    So just an update...I finally secured a position as a tool/mold maker at a large foundry one town over from me. seems like a decent place, tool room has 5 Bridgeports a couple lathes, an automatic and a manual surface grinder, a small Haas, and a Mitsubishi wire (both of which I can program off my computer until I learn ug)...they have a vacuum former too, odd but cool. I'll be working with 3 other guys.

    The biggest thing is I worked years ago for a mold shop which is right down the road from this plant and does a lot of work for them so I already have a good idea what I'm doing so instead of starting on the ground floor I'm already in the elevator to the first lol.

    Anyways, thanks to all who commented, it was a rough patch for a little bit. I'm going to do whatever needs to be done to ensure this is the final first day I have.

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    Congratulations, plastikdreams. I hope it works out well for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    Congratulations, plastikdreams. I hope it works out well for you.
    Thank you sir, I'm sure it will

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    Now you can get that tattoo you've been dreaming of.

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    That's a nice bit o good news, even better for February, well done and good luck mate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Dickman View Post
    Now you can get that tattoo you've been dreaming of.
    Hah, I've got a few in mind, one having to do with the fire service...I can't think of any good machinist ones though lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Limy Sami View Post
    That's a nice bit o good news, even better for February, well done and good luck mate
    Thank you, I can't wait till next Tuesday.


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