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    Quote Originally Posted by jermfab View Post
    Two-stroke diesels are barely making OFF-SHORE emissions requirements anymore.

    Regardless of whether parts availability is dwindling or not, there’s no way an OEM is sticking anything resembling a Detroit Diesel in a vehicle these days. There’s no EGR valve/DEF combo that could make one of those engines make current emissions requirements.
    Off course not, I didn't say anything like that....

    Many people are handy enough to swap in whatever engine they want.

    Kalifornia be dammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    With a Lester Pitter diesel in it....
    No, Gardner 8LXB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spud View Post
    I wanted the diesel for the longevity, fuel economy, the good reputation the Duramax has and the Allison 1000.

    After owning this truck for 3+ years, a flatbed would be soo much more usefull, but the down side is the width and length. If I do get a flatbed / stakebed, it won't be a daily driver.
    Sounds like you got the truck you want. Get another one and put a flat bed on it. Or if it is super useful, then get the same truck as what you have with a flat bed on it.

    Or just get a deck over trailer. < $7k will get you a 14k lb deck over trailer with 20 x 8ft of room, lots of tie downs, and way safer and easier to move machines with. You'll pay for the trailer in a couple of years of not paying insurance for a second truck, not to mention maintenance.

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    Does anyone have any experience with this engine, a DD5 ?
    Detroit DD5 Engine | Demand Detroit

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    All DD engines are now Benz /MAN/euro stuff......the 5 is a 5L four stroke four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    All DD engines are now Benz /MAN/euro stuff......the 5 is a 5L four stroke four.
    Yes, I did read that...Now, what can you ADD ?

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    I think you might do better with a 6v53T...at least it would sound cooler

    Also seen a few 3126 CAT transfers into older f350s...on you tube.

    That's all well and good, now stuff a 3408 in there, then ya got something. Although the ~2 ton weight may be a rate limiting factor...oh and it's almost 5 feet long 5 feet high and 5 feet wide.

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    It is interesting to follow the Class 8 truck industry, as their choices of good new motors is very limited.

    It seems Cummins is about the only new motor worth a damn. The Paccar motors (European design) are hated by the truckers.

    Of course Cat doesn’t make a new motor for big trucks any more, maybe they should re-think that decision?

    Not sure how the Mack and Volvo diesels are thought of?

    I do know lots of truckers would buy a glider kit (new truck with no motor or tranny), and install a previous generation, non-DEF motor of their choice.

    But alas, the EPA has banned the sale of glider kits!

    Seems being in the trucking industry is tough these days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post
    It is interesting to follow the Class 8 truck industry, as their choices of good new motors is very limited.

    It seems Cummins is about the only new motor worth a damn. The Paccar motors (European design) are hated by the truckers.

    Of course Cat doesn’t make a new motor for big trucks any more, maybe they should re-think that decision?

    Not sure how the Mack and Volvo diesels are thought of?

    I do know lots of truckers would buy a glider kit (new truck with no motor or tranny), and install a previous generation, non-DEF motor of their choice.

    But alas, the EPA has banned the sale of glider kits!

    Seems being in the trucking industry is tough these days...

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    I think the primary success driver in the diesel engine industry is whether or not the engine is designed in partnership with Bosch. The Germans seem to know how to make a fuel system that works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garwood View Post
    I think the primary success driver in the diesel engine industry is whether or not the engine is designed in partnership with Bosch. The Germans seem to know how to make a fuel system that works.
    I put a 3208 cat in a old square body Chevy 1 ton about '78 or so, shit ton of work but it would pull a loaded 5th wheel enclosed trailer up any hill at 60 mph

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    That engine is in our pusher, 10 or so liters.

    10 pounds of stuff in 5 pound container...



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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlight machine View Post
    I put a 3208 cat in a old square body Chevy 1 ton about '78 or so, shit ton of work but it would pull a loaded 5th wheel enclosed trailer up any hill at 60 mph
    How long did it work for? 3208's aren't recognized for their reliability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garwood View Post
    How long did it work for? 3208's aren't recognized for their reliability.
    It had 65,000 miles in a dump truck before a big wreck totaled it. I know it got another 120,000 in the pick up before it got sold and I lost track of it. I liked it enough that I was thinking about putting one in my '90 1 ton when I got it. The new body in '90 was just too small for that lump.

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    Wish I had photos of a kluge done by a genius manual machinist friend (and I do not use that term casually). He stretched the frame of a GMC pickup and mounted a JD tractor 6-cylinder diesel in the bed, with a step-up gearbox to the rear axle. It was incredibly well-done-one-of-one.

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    Anyone remember the Oldsmobile diesel.?
    .....Oh-lord .
    My job to be in the plant every Tuesday and Thursday at 10am for tooling support but no one liked building it or cared.
    Contrast this to the Buick V6 gas motor and the involvement of the engineering and build team 60 miles away.
    Both GM but night and day.
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    Caterpillar were making complete trucks.....they had to get some special permission to sell them here as they wernt EPA compliant.....I know of a few 3208s in pickup size trucks....guy I know is building one right now,but with his wishlist its going to tare at 6 tons.He s wanting air start,Roadranger tranny,overdrive joey box,and showed me some weird tailshafts he had made up to adapt 1600ser down to the NP transfer case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    Caterpillar were making complete trucks.....they had to get some special permission to sell them here as they wernt EPA compliant.....I know of a few 3208s in pickup size trucks....guy I know is building one right now,but with his wishlist its going to tare at 6 tons.He s wanting air start,Roadranger tranny,overdrive joey box,and showed me some weird tailshafts he had made up to adapt 1600ser down to the NP transfer case.
    We just used the automatic from the dump truck. Required a new trans tunnel and bucket seats up front. We got some real nice ones from a wrecked Lancia Beta Coupe. Worst part of the job was making all new mounts for the AC compressor, power steering pump and alternator. They were mounted so high on the original installation in the dump truck that they would have been through the hood. We binned the inner wheel wells and made a tilt front end by cutting the fenders from the wheel arch to the pillar and bolting / welding the fenders and original core support to the hood.

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    The 3208s are very light for any diesel,especially a 10.5 L one......I found them to be pretty trouble free,but very touchy about valve spring replacement,and also checking and replacing rod bolts if there is any sign of stretch.

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    I saw a Deutz 6 cyl in an F250 in the mid - '70s. Farmer used it to pull livestock trailers. Fit nicely because it didn't need a radiator. Firewall was uncut but was covered with sound deadener to try to make it liveable on the road.

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    1160/3208 don't have a great reputation. They don't like sustained load under turbo boost.

    IH DT466 was built to compete/dominate the same market 3208 was used in and it did with 30% less displacement. The most desirable DT engines used Bosch fuel systems. Cummins C8.3 came a bit later and does a fair job as well.


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