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    The AXA multifix is the best you can buy right now And reasonably priced also At least if you want a multifix type of toolholder
    The Amestra original multisuisse are comparable quality but more expencive The original in their name is meaningless BTW
    That beeing said There was a post here once which did compare sevelal makes of Multifix Differences were very minor was their conclusion

    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Sparky View Post
    The 'AXA' brand is a Multifix clone, not an Aloris clone. Was your mention of clones inclusive of the Multifix system or did you mean to refer only to Aloris clones? Because Aloris and Multifix are completely different 'standards'; i.e. piston/wedge locking dovetails vs a spline interface.
    I refer only to the Aloris system. The knock offs that I’ve had were just OK. The real thing is just that little bit better. I have no experience with the European systems. Never wanted any. Not to say they are bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter from Holland View Post
    The Amestra original multisuisse are comparable quality but more expencive The original in their name is meaningless BTW
    So who are the real original multisuisse?

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    Thanks Larry, I've learned something.

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    Keep in mind that " Original Multisuisse " is a trademark of SRW Amestra which are now made in China, I think by the same factory as Create but that is not verified.

    "Original Multifix Suisse " was a clone first made in Switzerland in 1959-1984 by Mivesa and from 1989-2004 ( I think ) by Nouvelle Mivesa in Switzerland.

    Hahn and Kolb trademarked " Multifix " in 1952 and produced clones with some association with the inventor JF Minder in Germany. the trademark has expired so anyone can use the term. Klopfer and AXA are two that made or still make clones. AXA has factories in several countries.

    Minder produced the originals from 1946-1974 in Switzerland.

    I'm not sure where 'Multiquick " enters in and would like to clear that up. Mine says made in Switzerland.

    PeWe is Chinese but a different factory than Create. They have made some mods to the designs but my understanding is AXA and PeWe fit all the Swiss tools. I don't know about the German Hahn and Kolb or Klopfer ones. Create may now fit them as well but that has been somewhat hit or miss in the past.

    The bottom of the early versions had a more complicated etching pattern vs the rings of the later ones. The rings are a Multiquick, the other is a Minder. My Mivesa looks like the Minder.
    If this is as clear as mud, it is to me too. Davedscn3895.jpg

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    Tripan is back in production- now made in Switzerland.
    Fit and finish second to none

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwud View Post
    Tripan is back in production- now made in Switzerland.
    Fit and finish second to none
    I have used Tripan posts and holders and they were excellent. All the time I have previously wasted shimming tools on clamp type toolposts and 4 way toolposts. I wouldn't go back to those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenwud View Post
    Tripan is back in production- now made in Switzerland.
    Fit and finish second to none
    At what cost ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    At what cost ?
    Yeah, I know... but the OP said he wanted a first-world product, so.... to me that strongly implies that cost is no object.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    At what cost ?
    Have a look at their website
    www.tripan.ch

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    319 CHF works out to around $350 USD for the Tripan 111 toolpost. The holders are around 90 CHF ea. so figure $100 ea for the holders. But, Tripan is very, very good -- I think they were an option on Schaublin lathes.
    None of the above figures include postage, customs, duties and taxes. Void where prohibited, keep out of reach of children.

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    "Hahn and Kolb trademarked " Multifix " in 1952 and produced clones":

    you realize h&k is a (relatively small) tool and equipment dealer, right? i strongly doubt they ever "produced" anything.

    btw, this is the post i referred to earlier:

    multifix tool holders

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    Quote Originally Posted by dian View Post
    btw, this is the post i referred to earlier:

    multifix tool holders
    Y'know.. yah shudda stuck with your opening observation:

    "... a four way toolpost would be much more convenient, at least for my purposes."

    Because they still are...

    Some of my many 4-Way WILL mount inserted-carbide's tool-holders.

    The others? HSS/Cobalt & Tantung-G. No spend atall on a "toolholder".

    "Quick change"?

    Surely! Each of many entire tooled-up 4-Way!

    Cheaply, too!

    Given so many have been sold-off ... by the instant-gratification tribes chasing Aloris et al .... as if they were immortality pills!


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    depends on how you work, i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dian View Post
    depends on how you work, i guess.
    Well f**k THAT! My whole PLAN is to NOT "work".

    Earned the right to just f**k-around as I see fit!

    The HARD way.

    Eg: NOT in a machine shop! Hasn't been decent money in it for a "worker" for easily a score of years. Shop OWNER isn't going to be buying Bill Gate's old house, either. Nor even his used motorcars.

    More's the pity...


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