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I know this isn't the best place to find a hydraulic engineer, but, I thought I might ask if any of you guys could point me in the right direction to find one, or, a good forum I might ask in. I'm trying to learn as much as I can, and even draw up the circuit, but a few good pointers I'm sure would be so helpful.
Thanks.
 
I know this isn't the best place to find a hydraulic engineer, but, I thought I might ask if any of you guys could point me in the right direction to find one, or, a good forum I might ask in. I'm trying to learn as much as I can, and even draw up the circuit, but a few good pointers I'm sure would be so helpful.
Thanks.

Your waving your arms around, but I still can't see them.

Please describe the circuit, what you want it to doo.
 
First of all, get real familiar with fluid power formulas. I am appending notes I've taken over the years, hope it helps - MM

Fluid Power Formulas

Hydraulic Pump Calculations

Horsepower Required to Drive Pump

GPM X PSI X .0007 (this is a 'rule-of-thumb' calculation)

How many horsepower are needed to drive a 10 gpm pump at 1750 psi?

GPM = 10
PSI = 1750
GPM X PSI X .0007 = 10 X 1750 X .0007 = 12.25 horsepower


Pump Output Flow (in Gallons Per Minute)

RPM X Pump Displacement / 231

How much oil is produced by a 2.21 cubic inch pump operating at 1120 rpm?

RPM = 1120
Pump Displacement = 2.21 cubic inches
RPM X Pump Displacement / 231 = 1120 X 2.21 / 231 = 10.72 gpm


Pump Displacement Needed for GPM of Output Flow

231 X GPM / RPM

What displacement is needed to produce 7 gpm at 1740 rpm?

GPM = 7
RPM = 1740
231 X GPM / RPM = 231 X 7 / 1740 = 0.93 cubic inches per revolution

Cubic Inch Displacement in a Gear Pump

Disassemble the pump.
Remove the 4 bolts that hold the pump together.
Then you can remove the end plate.
Next remove the gear chamber (just the outside part) then the bearing
carrier, the gear itself, and finally the front plate.

Use calipers to measure (in inches) the length of both gear chambers L, the
bore diameter of one chamber D, and the width of one gear W.
L - D
C.I.R. Displacement = 6 x W x (2D - L) x -----
2
Hydraulic Cylinder Calculations

Cylinder Blind End Area (in square inches)

PI X (Cylinder Radius) ^2

What is the area of a 6" diameter cylinder?

Diameter = 6"
Radius is 1/2 of diameter = 3"
Radius ^2 = 3" X 3" = 9"
PI X (Cylinder Radius )^2 = 3.14 X (3)^2 = 3.14 X 9 = 28.26 square inches

Cylinder Rod End Area (in square inches)

Blind End Area - Rod Area

What is the rod end area of a 6" diam. cylinder which has a 3" diam. rod?

Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Rod Diameter = 2.25"
Radius is 1/2 of rod diameter = 1.125"
Radius^2 = 1.125" X 1.125" = 1.27"
PI X Radius^2 = 3.14 X 1.27 = 3.98 square inches

Blind End Area - Rod Area = 28.26 - 7.07 = 24.28 square inches


Cylinder Output Force (in Pounds)

Pressure (in PSI) X Cylinder Area

What is the push force of a 6" diameter cylinder operating at 2,500 PSI?

Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Pressure = 2,500 psi
Pressure X Cylinder Area = 2,500 X 28.26 = 70,650 pounds (35 tons)

What is the pull force of a 6" diameter cylinder with a 2.25" diameter rod
operating at 2,500 PSI?

Cylinder Rod End Area = 24.28 square inches
Pressure = 2,500 psi
Pressure X Cylinder Area = 2,500 X 24.28 = 60,710 pounds (30 tons)



Fluid Pressure in PSI Required to Lift Load (in PSI)

Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area

What pressure is needed to develop 50,000 pounds of push force from a 6"
diameter cylinder?

Pounds of Force = 50,000 pounds
Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area = 50,000 / 28.26 = 1,769.29 PSI

What pressure is needed to develop 50,000 pounds of pull force from a 6"
diameter cylinder which has a 3: diameter rod?

Pounds of Force = 50,000 pounds
Cylinder Rod End Area = 21.19 square inches
Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area = 50,000 / 21.19 = 2,359.60 PSI


Cylinder Speed (in inches per second)

(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area)

How fast will a 6" diameter cylinder with a 3" diameter rod extend with 15
gpm input?

GPM = 6
Net Cylinder Area = 28.26 square inches
(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area) = (231 X 15) / (60 x 28.26) = 2.04
inches per second

How fast will it retract?

Net Cylinder Area = 21.19 square inches
(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area) = (231 X 15) / (60 x 21.19) = 2.73
inches per second


GPM of Flow Needed for Cylinder Speed

Cylinder Area X Stroke Length in Inches / 231 X 60 / Time in seconds for one
stroke

How many GPM are needed to extend a 6" diameter cylinder 8 inches in 10 seconds?

Cylinder Area = 28.26 square inches
Stroke Length = 8 inches
Time for 1 stroke = 10 seconds
Area X Length / 231 X 60 / Time = 28.26 X 8 / 231 X 60 / 10 = 5.88 gpm


If the cylinder has a 3" diameter rod, how many gpm is needed to retract 8
inches in 10 seconds?

Cylinder Area = 21.19 square inches
Stroke Length = 8 inches
Time for 1 stroke = 10 seconds
Area X Length / 231 X 60 / Time = 21.19 X 8 / 231 X 60 / 10 = 4.40 gpm

Cylinder Blind End Output (GPM)

Blind End Area / Rod End Area X GPM In

How many GPM come out the blind end of a 6" diameter cylinder with a 3" diameter
rod when there is 15 gallons per minute put in the rod end?

Cylinder Blind End Area =28.26 square inches
Cylinder Rod End Area = 21.19 square inches
GPM Input = 15 gpm
Blind End Area / Rod End Area X GPM In = 28.26 / 21.19 * 15 = 20 gpm

Hydraulic Motor Calculations

GPM of Flow Needed for Fluid Motor Speed

Motor Displacement X Motor RPM / 231

How many GPM are needed to drive a 2.51 cubic inch motor at 1200 rpm?

Motor Displacement = 2.51 cubic inches per revolution
Motor RPM = 1200
Motor Displacement X Motor RPM / 231 = 2.51 X 1200 / 231 = 13.04 gpm

Fluid Motor Speed from GPM Input

231 X GPM / Fluid Motor Displacement

How fast will a 0.95 cubic inch motor turn with 8 gpm input?

GPM = 8
Motor Displacement = 0.95 cubic inches per revolution
231 X GPM / Fluid Motor Displacement = 231 X 8 / 0.95 = 1,945 rpm


Fluid Motor Torque from Pressure and Displacement

PSI X Motor Displacement / (2 X PI)

How much torque does a 2.25 cubic inch motor develop at 2,200 psi?

Pressure = 2,200 psi
Displacement = 2.25 cubic inches per revolution
PSI X Motor Displacement / (2 x PI) = 2,200 X 2.25 / 6.28 = 788.22 inch
pounds


Fluid Motor Torque from Horsepower and RPM

Horsepower X 63025 / RPM

How much torque is developed by a motor at 15 horsepower and 1500 rpm?

Horsepower = 15
RPM = 1500
Horsepower X 63025 / RPM = 15 X 63025 / 1500 = 630.25 inch pound

Fluid Motor Torque from GPM, PSI and RPM

GPM X PSI X 36.77 / RPM

How much torque does a motor develop at 1,250 psi, 1750 rpm, with 9 gpm input?

GPM = 9
PSI = 1,250
RPM = 1750
GPM X PSI X 36.7 / RPM = 9 X 1,250 X 36.7 / 1750 = 235.93 inch pounds second

Fluid & Piping Calculations

Velocity of Fluid through Piping

0.3208 X GPM / Internal Area

What is the velocity of 10 gpm going through a 1/2" diameter schedule 40 pipe?

GPM = 10
Internal Area = .304 (see note below)
0.3208 X GPM / Internal Area = .3208 X 10 X .304 = 10.55 feet per second

Note: The outside diameter of pipe remains the same regardless of the thickness
of the pipe. A heavy duty pipe has a thicker wall than a standard duty pipe, so
the internal diameter of the heavy duty pipe is smaller than the internal
diameter of a standard duty pipe. The wall thickness and internal diameter of
pipes can be found on readily available charts.

Hydraulic steel tubing also maintains the same outside diameter regardless of
wall thickness.

Hose sizes indicate the inside diameter of the plumbing. A 1/2" diameter hose
has an internal diameter of 0.50 inches, regardless of the hose pressure rating.

Suggested Piping Sizes

Pump suction lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is between 2 and 4
feet per second.

Oil return lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is between 10 and 15
feet per second.

Medium pressure supply lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is
between 15 and 20 feet per second.

High pressure supply lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is below 30
feet per second.



Heat Calculations

Heat Dissipation Capacity of Steel Reservoirs

0.001 X Surface Area X Difference between oil and air temperature

If the oil temperature is 140 degrees, and the air temperature is 75 degrees,
how much heat will a reservoir with 20 square feet of surface area dissipate?

Surface Area = 20 square feet
Temperature Difference = 140 degrees - 75 degrees = 65 degrees
0.001 X Surface Area X Temperature Difference = 0.001 X 20 X 65 = 1.3
horsepower

Note: 1 HP = 2,544 BTU per Hour



Heating Hydraulic Fluid

1 watt will raise the temperature of 1 gallon by 1 degree F per hour

and

Horsepower X 745.7 = watts

and

Watts / 1000 = kilowatts



Pneumatic Valve Sizing

Notes:

All these pneumatic formulas assume 68 degrees F at sea level
All strokes and diameters are in inches
All times are in seconds
All pressures are PSI

Valve Sizing for Cylinder Actuation

SCFM = 0.0273 x Cylinder Diameter x Cylinder Diameter x Cylinder Stroke / Stroke
Time x ((Pressure-Pressure Drop)+14.7) / 14.7

Cv Required = 1.024 x SCFM / (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x (Pressure-Pressure
Drop+14.7)))

Pressure 2 (PSIG) = Pressure-Pressure Drop

Air Flow Q (in SCFM) if Cv is Known

Valve Cv x (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x ((PSIG - Pressure Drop) + 14.7))) /
1.024



Cv if Air Flow Q (in SCFM) is Known

1.024 x Air Flow / (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x ((PSIG-Pressure Drop) +
14.7)))

Air Flow Q (in SCFM) to Atmosphere

SCFM to Atmosphere = Valve Cv x (Square Root of (((Primary Pressure x 0.46) +
14.7) x (Primary Pressure x 0.54))) / 1.024

Pressure Drop Max (PSIG) = Primary Pressure x 0.54

Flow Coefficient for Smooth Wall Tubing

Cv of Tubing =(42.3 x Tube I.D. x Tube I.D. x 0.7854 x (Square Root (Tube I.D. /
0.02 x Length of Tube x 12)



Conversions


To Convert Into Multiply By
Bar PSI 14.5
cc Cu. In. 0.06102
°C °F (°C x 1.8) + 32
Kg lbs. 2.205
KW HP 1.341
Liters Gallons 0.2642
mm Inches 0.03937
Nm lb.-ft 0.7375
Cu. In. cc 16.39
°F °C (°F - 32) / 1.8
Gallons Liters 3.785
HP KW 0.7457
Inch mm 25.4
lbs. Kg 0.4535
lb.-ft. Nm 1.356
PSI Bar 0.06896
In. of HG PSI 0.4912
In. of H20 PSI 0.03613
 
plastikdreams said:
I wonder who the first asshat is going to be the one to reply with quote lol.

Me! :D

First of all, get real familiar with fluid power formulas. I am appending notes I've taken over the years, hope it helps - MM

Fluid Power Formulas

Hydraulic Pump Calculations

Horsepower Required to Drive Pump

GPM X PSI X .0007 (this is a 'rule-of-thumb' calculation)

How many horsepower are needed to drive a 10 gpm pump at 1750 psi?

GPM = 10
PSI = 1750
GPM X PSI X .0007 = 10 X 1750 X .0007 = 12.25 horsepower


Pump Output Flow (in Gallons Per Minute)

RPM X Pump Displacement / 231

How much oil is produced by a 2.21 cubic inch pump operating at 1120 rpm?

RPM = 1120
Pump Displacement = 2.21 cubic inches
RPM X Pump Displacement / 231 = 1120 X 2.21 / 231 = 10.72 gpm


Pump Displacement Needed for GPM of Output Flow

231 X GPM / RPM

What displacement is needed to produce 7 gpm at 1740 rpm?

GPM = 7
RPM = 1740
231 X GPM / RPM = 231 X 7 / 1740 = 0.93 cubic inches per revolution

Cubic Inch Displacement in a Gear Pump

Disassemble the pump.
Remove the 4 bolts that hold the pump together.
Then you can remove the end plate.
Next remove the gear chamber (just the outside part) then the bearing
carrier, the gear itself, and finally the front plate.

Use calipers to measure (in inches) the length of both gear chambers L, the
bore diameter of one chamber D, and the width of one gear W.
L - D
C.I.R. Displacement = 6 x W x (2D - L) x -----
2
Hydraulic Cylinder Calculations

Cylinder Blind End Area (in square inches)

PI X (Cylinder Radius) ^2

What is the area of a 6" diameter cylinder?

Diameter = 6"
Radius is 1/2 of diameter = 3"
Radius ^2 = 3" X 3" = 9"
PI X (Cylinder Radius )^2 = 3.14 X (3)^2 = 3.14 X 9 = 28.26 square inches

Cylinder Rod End Area (in square inches)

Blind End Area - Rod Area

What is the rod end area of a 6" diam. cylinder which has a 3" diam. rod?

Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Rod Diameter = 2.25"
Radius is 1/2 of rod diameter = 1.125"
Radius^2 = 1.125" X 1.125" = 1.27"
PI X Radius^2 = 3.14 X 1.27 = 3.98 square inches

Blind End Area - Rod Area = 28.26 - 7.07 = 24.28 square inches


Cylinder Output Force (in Pounds)

Pressure (in PSI) X Cylinder Area

What is the push force of a 6" diameter cylinder operating at 2,500 PSI?

Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Pressure = 2,500 psi
Pressure X Cylinder Area = 2,500 X 28.26 = 70,650 pounds (35 tons)

What is the pull force of a 6" diameter cylinder with a 2.25" diameter rod
operating at 2,500 PSI?

Cylinder Rod End Area = 24.28 square inches
Pressure = 2,500 psi
Pressure X Cylinder Area = 2,500 X 24.28 = 60,710 pounds (30 tons)



Fluid Pressure in PSI Required to Lift Load (in PSI)

Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area

What pressure is needed to develop 50,000 pounds of push force from a 6"
diameter cylinder?

Pounds of Force = 50,000 pounds
Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area = 50,000 / 28.26 = 1,769.29 PSI

What pressure is needed to develop 50,000 pounds of pull force from a 6"
diameter cylinder which has a 3: diameter rod?

Pounds of Force = 50,000 pounds
Cylinder Rod End Area = 21.19 square inches
Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area = 50,000 / 21.19 = 2,359.60 PSI


Cylinder Speed (in inches per second)

(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area)

How fast will a 6" diameter cylinder with a 3" diameter rod extend with 15
gpm input?

GPM = 6
Net Cylinder Area = 28.26 square inches
(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area) = (231 X 15) / (60 x 28.26) = 2.04
inches per second

How fast will it retract?

Net Cylinder Area = 21.19 square inches
(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area) = (231 X 15) / (60 x 21.19) = 2.73
inches per second


GPM of Flow Needed for Cylinder Speed

Cylinder Area X Stroke Length in Inches / 231 X 60 / Time in seconds for one
stroke

How many GPM are needed to extend a 6" diameter cylinder 8 inches in 10 seconds?

Cylinder Area = 28.26 square inches
Stroke Length = 8 inches
Time for 1 stroke = 10 seconds
Area X Length / 231 X 60 / Time = 28.26 X 8 / 231 X 60 / 10 = 5.88 gpm


If the cylinder has a 3" diameter rod, how many gpm is needed to retract 8
inches in 10 seconds?

Cylinder Area = 21.19 square inches
Stroke Length = 8 inches
Time for 1 stroke = 10 seconds
Area X Length / 231 X 60 / Time = 21.19 X 8 / 231 X 60 / 10 = 4.40 gpm

Cylinder Blind End Output (GPM)

Blind End Area / Rod End Area X GPM In

How many GPM come out the blind end of a 6" diameter cylinder with a 3" diameter
rod when there is 15 gallons per minute put in the rod end?

Cylinder Blind End Area =28.26 square inches
Cylinder Rod End Area = 21.19 square inches
GPM Input = 15 gpm
Blind End Area / Rod End Area X GPM In = 28.26 / 21.19 * 15 = 20 gpm

Hydraulic Motor Calculations

GPM of Flow Needed for Fluid Motor Speed

Motor Displacement X Motor RPM / 231

How many GPM are needed to drive a 2.51 cubic inch motor at 1200 rpm?

Motor Displacement = 2.51 cubic inches per revolution
Motor RPM = 1200
Motor Displacement X Motor RPM / 231 = 2.51 X 1200 / 231 = 13.04 gpm

Fluid Motor Speed from GPM Input

231 X GPM / Fluid Motor Displacement

How fast will a 0.95 cubic inch motor turn with 8 gpm input?

GPM = 8
Motor Displacement = 0.95 cubic inches per revolution
231 X GPM / Fluid Motor Displacement = 231 X 8 / 0.95 = 1,945 rpm


Fluid Motor Torque from Pressure and Displacement

PSI X Motor Displacement / (2 X PI)

How much torque does a 2.25 cubic inch motor develop at 2,200 psi?

Pressure = 2,200 psi
Displacement = 2.25 cubic inches per revolution
PSI X Motor Displacement / (2 x PI) = 2,200 X 2.25 / 6.28 = 788.22 inch
pounds


Fluid Motor Torque from Horsepower and RPM

Horsepower X 63025 / RPM

How much torque is developed by a motor at 15 horsepower and 1500 rpm?

Horsepower = 15
RPM = 1500
Horsepower X 63025 / RPM = 15 X 63025 / 1500 = 630.25 inch pound

Fluid Motor Torque from GPM, PSI and RPM

GPM X PSI X 36.77 / RPM

How much torque does a motor develop at 1,250 psi, 1750 rpm, with 9 gpm input?

GPM = 9
PSI = 1,250
RPM = 1750
GPM X PSI X 36.7 / RPM = 9 X 1,250 X 36.7 / 1750 = 235.93 inch pounds second

Fluid & Piping Calculations

Velocity of Fluid through Piping

0.3208 X GPM / Internal Area

What is the velocity of 10 gpm going through a 1/2" diameter schedule 40 pipe?

GPM = 10
Internal Area = .304 (see note below)
0.3208 X GPM / Internal Area = .3208 X 10 X .304 = 10.55 feet per second

Note: The outside diameter of pipe remains the same regardless of the thickness
of the pipe. A heavy duty pipe has a thicker wall than a standard duty pipe, so
the internal diameter of the heavy duty pipe is smaller than the internal
diameter of a standard duty pipe. The wall thickness and internal diameter of
pipes can be found on readily available charts.

Hydraulic steel tubing also maintains the same outside diameter regardless of
wall thickness.

Hose sizes indicate the inside diameter of the plumbing. A 1/2" diameter hose
has an internal diameter of 0.50 inches, regardless of the hose pressure rating.

Suggested Piping Sizes

Pump suction lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is between 2 and 4
feet per second.

Oil return lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is between 10 and 15
feet per second.

Medium pressure supply lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is
between 15 and 20 feet per second.

High pressure supply lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is below 30
feet per second.



Heat Calculations

Heat Dissipation Capacity of Steel Reservoirs

0.001 X Surface Area X Difference between oil and air temperature

If the oil temperature is 140 degrees, and the air temperature is 75 degrees,
how much heat will a reservoir with 20 square feet of surface area dissipate?

Surface Area = 20 square feet
Temperature Difference = 140 degrees - 75 degrees = 65 degrees
0.001 X Surface Area X Temperature Difference = 0.001 X 20 X 65 = 1.3
horsepower

Note: 1 HP = 2,544 BTU per Hour



Heating Hydraulic Fluid

1 watt will raise the temperature of 1 gallon by 1 degree F per hour

and

Horsepower X 745.7 = watts

and

Watts / 1000 = kilowatts



Pneumatic Valve Sizing

Notes:

All these pneumatic formulas assume 68 degrees F at sea level
All strokes and diameters are in inches
All times are in seconds
All pressures are PSI

Valve Sizing for Cylinder Actuation

SCFM = 0.0273 x Cylinder Diameter x Cylinder Diameter x Cylinder Stroke / Stroke
Time x ((Pressure-Pressure Drop)+14.7) / 14.7

Cv Required = 1.024 x SCFM / (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x (Pressure-Pressure
Drop+14.7)))

Pressure 2 (PSIG) = Pressure-Pressure Drop

Air Flow Q (in SCFM) if Cv is Known

Valve Cv x (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x ((PSIG - Pressure Drop) + 14.7))) /
1.024



Cv if Air Flow Q (in SCFM) is Known

1.024 x Air Flow / (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x ((PSIG-Pressure Drop) +
14.7)))

Air Flow Q (in SCFM) to Atmosphere

SCFM to Atmosphere = Valve Cv x (Square Root of (((Primary Pressure x 0.46) +
14.7) x (Primary Pressure x 0.54))) / 1.024

Pressure Drop Max (PSIG) = Primary Pressure x 0.54

Flow Coefficient for Smooth Wall Tubing

Cv of Tubing =(42.3 x Tube I.D. x Tube I.D. x 0.7854 x (Square Root (Tube I.D. /
0.02 x Length of Tube x 12)



Conversions


To Convert Into Multiply By
Bar PSI 14.5
cc Cu. In. 0.06102
°C °F (°C x 1.8) + 32
Kg lbs. 2.205
KW HP 1.341
Liters Gallons 0.2642
mm Inches 0.03937
Nm lb.-ft 0.7375
Cu. In. cc 16.39
°F °C (°F - 32) / 1.8
Gallons Liters 3.785
HP KW 0.7457
Inch mm 25.4
lbs. Kg 0.4535
lb.-ft. Nm 1.356
PSI Bar 0.06896
In. of HG PSI 0.4912
In. of H20 PSI 0.03613

Sheesh.......

I'm gonna print this whole thing.

Thanks, MM! :Ithankyou:
 
I can recommend the Fluid Power Data Book. I picked mine up at the local Hydraulic Controls Inc. supply and it has a bunch of handy calcs/tables/etc. I'd also suggest perusing the various hydraulic suppliers such as Sun Hydraulics, Parker Hydraulics, Hydraulics&Pneumatics Magazine, etc. Tons of online resources.

You can get pretty far by having a rough sketch of what you want to do with the behavior required and walking into a hydraulic supply house.

Here is link to buy the book if you aren't near a supplier: Womack Online
 
Can we all just WAIT until the OP describes what they want this circuit to doo ?

Hi all... sorry I haven't replied to your comments. T'was my birthday, and wife took me away for a long weekend as a surprise. Okay, well to answer your question, I have built a C frame press for my knifemaking workshop. I need to control the stroke of the cylinder thusly. With a lever control, also have a seperate foot control (elect solenoid switch). The lever control will be non detent, and the foot control when depressed will cause the ram to oscillate (load/return) using adjustable (sliding) limit switches, as to allow the operator to select max/min length of stroke.
Circuit will also have adjustable flow rate (speed), and pressure (relief?)for applied tonnage.

Was working on assumption of using a regen type circuit, as to allow for a rapid (2.5 to 3inch/sec or thereabouts) and switching to slow speed on contact with work. Max 35ton (approx).

Hope that helps explain.
 
First of all, get real familiar with fluid power formulas. I am appending notes I've taken over the years, hope it helps - MM

Fluid Power Formulas

Hydraulic Pump Calculations

Horsepower Required to Drive Pump

GPM X PSI X .0007 (this is a 'rule-of-thumb' calculation)

How many horsepower are needed to drive a 10 gpm pump at 1750 psi?

GPM = 10
PSI = 1750
GPM X PSI X .0007 = 10 X 1750 X .0007 = 12.25 horsepower


Pump Output Flow (in Gallons Per Minute)

RPM X Pump Displacement / 231

How much oil is produced by a 2.21 cubic inch pump operating at 1120 rpm?

RPM = 1120
Pump Displacement = 2.21 cubic inches
RPM X Pump Displacement / 231 = 1120 X 2.21 / 231 = 10.72 gpm


Pump Displacement Needed for GPM of Output Flow

231 X GPM / RPM

What displacement is needed to produce 7 gpm at 1740 rpm?

GPM = 7
RPM = 1740
231 X GPM / RPM = 231 X 7 / 1740 = 0.93 cubic inches per revolution

Cubic Inch Displacement in a Gear Pump

Disassemble the pump.
Remove the 4 bolts that hold the pump together.
Then you can remove the end plate.
Next remove the gear chamber (just the outside part) then the bearing
carrier, the gear itself, and finally the front plate.

Use calipers to measure (in inches) the length of both gear chambers L, the
bore diameter of one chamber D, and the width of one gear W.
L - D
C.I.R. Displacement = 6 x W x (2D - L) x -----
2
Hydraulic Cylinder Calculations

Cylinder Blind End Area (in square inches)

PI X (Cylinder Radius) ^2

What is the area of a 6" diameter cylinder?

Diameter = 6"
Radius is 1/2 of diameter = 3"
Radius ^2 = 3" X 3" = 9"
PI X (Cylinder Radius )^2 = 3.14 X (3)^2 = 3.14 X 9 = 28.26 square inches

Cylinder Rod End Area (in square inches)

Blind End Area - Rod Area

What is the rod end area of a 6" diam. cylinder which has a 3" diam. rod?

Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Rod Diameter = 2.25"
Radius is 1/2 of rod diameter = 1.125"
Radius^2 = 1.125" X 1.125" = 1.27"
PI X Radius^2 = 3.14 X 1.27 = 3.98 square inches

Blind End Area - Rod Area = 28.26 - 7.07 = 24.28 square inches


Cylinder Output Force (in Pounds)

Pressure (in PSI) X Cylinder Area

What is the push force of a 6" diameter cylinder operating at 2,500 PSI?

Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Pressure = 2,500 psi
Pressure X Cylinder Area = 2,500 X 28.26 = 70,650 pounds (35 tons)

What is the pull force of a 6" diameter cylinder with a 2.25" diameter rod
operating at 2,500 PSI?

Cylinder Rod End Area = 24.28 square inches
Pressure = 2,500 psi
Pressure X Cylinder Area = 2,500 X 24.28 = 60,710 pounds (30 tons)



Fluid Pressure in PSI Required to Lift Load (in PSI)

Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area

What pressure is needed to develop 50,000 pounds of push force from a 6"
diameter cylinder?

Pounds of Force = 50,000 pounds
Cylinder Blind End Area = 28.26 square inches
Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area = 50,000 / 28.26 = 1,769.29 PSI

What pressure is needed to develop 50,000 pounds of pull force from a 6"
diameter cylinder which has a 3: diameter rod?

Pounds of Force = 50,000 pounds
Cylinder Rod End Area = 21.19 square inches
Pounds of Force Needed / Cylinder Area = 50,000 / 21.19 = 2,359.60 PSI


Cylinder Speed (in inches per second)

(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area)

How fast will a 6" diameter cylinder with a 3" diameter rod extend with 15
gpm input?

GPM = 6
Net Cylinder Area = 28.26 square inches
(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area) = (231 X 15) / (60 x 28.26) = 2.04
inches per second

How fast will it retract?

Net Cylinder Area = 21.19 square inches
(231 X GPM) / (60 X Net Cylinder Area) = (231 X 15) / (60 x 21.19) = 2.73
inches per second


GPM of Flow Needed for Cylinder Speed

Cylinder Area X Stroke Length in Inches / 231 X 60 / Time in seconds for one
stroke

How many GPM are needed to extend a 6" diameter cylinder 8 inches in 10 seconds?

Cylinder Area = 28.26 square inches
Stroke Length = 8 inches
Time for 1 stroke = 10 seconds
Area X Length / 231 X 60 / Time = 28.26 X 8 / 231 X 60 / 10 = 5.88 gpm


If the cylinder has a 3" diameter rod, how many gpm is needed to retract 8
inches in 10 seconds?

Cylinder Area = 21.19 square inches
Stroke Length = 8 inches
Time for 1 stroke = 10 seconds
Area X Length / 231 X 60 / Time = 21.19 X 8 / 231 X 60 / 10 = 4.40 gpm

Cylinder Blind End Output (GPM)

Blind End Area / Rod End Area X GPM In

How many GPM come out the blind end of a 6" diameter cylinder with a 3" diameter
rod when there is 15 gallons per minute put in the rod end?

Cylinder Blind End Area =28.26 square inches
Cylinder Rod End Area = 21.19 square inches
GPM Input = 15 gpm
Blind End Area / Rod End Area X GPM In = 28.26 / 21.19 * 15 = 20 gpm

Hydraulic Motor Calculations

GPM of Flow Needed for Fluid Motor Speed

Motor Displacement X Motor RPM / 231

How many GPM are needed to drive a 2.51 cubic inch motor at 1200 rpm?

Motor Displacement = 2.51 cubic inches per revolution
Motor RPM = 1200
Motor Displacement X Motor RPM / 231 = 2.51 X 1200 / 231 = 13.04 gpm

Fluid Motor Speed from GPM Input

231 X GPM / Fluid Motor Displacement

How fast will a 0.95 cubic inch motor turn with 8 gpm input?

GPM = 8
Motor Displacement = 0.95 cubic inches per revolution
231 X GPM / Fluid Motor Displacement = 231 X 8 / 0.95 = 1,945 rpm


Fluid Motor Torque from Pressure and Displacement

PSI X Motor Displacement / (2 X PI)

How much torque does a 2.25 cubic inch motor develop at 2,200 psi?

Pressure = 2,200 psi
Displacement = 2.25 cubic inches per revolution
PSI X Motor Displacement / (2 x PI) = 2,200 X 2.25 / 6.28 = 788.22 inch
pounds


Fluid Motor Torque from Horsepower and RPM

Horsepower X 63025 / RPM

How much torque is developed by a motor at 15 horsepower and 1500 rpm?

Horsepower = 15
RPM = 1500
Horsepower X 63025 / RPM = 15 X 63025 / 1500 = 630.25 inch pound

Fluid Motor Torque from GPM, PSI and RPM

GPM X PSI X 36.77 / RPM

How much torque does a motor develop at 1,250 psi, 1750 rpm, with 9 gpm input?

GPM = 9
PSI = 1,250
RPM = 1750
GPM X PSI X 36.7 / RPM = 9 X 1,250 X 36.7 / 1750 = 235.93 inch pounds second

Fluid & Piping Calculations

Velocity of Fluid through Piping

0.3208 X GPM / Internal Area

What is the velocity of 10 gpm going through a 1/2" diameter schedule 40 pipe?

GPM = 10
Internal Area = .304 (see note below)
0.3208 X GPM / Internal Area = .3208 X 10 X .304 = 10.55 feet per second

Note: The outside diameter of pipe remains the same regardless of the thickness
of the pipe. A heavy duty pipe has a thicker wall than a standard duty pipe, so
the internal diameter of the heavy duty pipe is smaller than the internal
diameter of a standard duty pipe. The wall thickness and internal diameter of
pipes can be found on readily available charts.

Hydraulic steel tubing also maintains the same outside diameter regardless of
wall thickness.

Hose sizes indicate the inside diameter of the plumbing. A 1/2" diameter hose
has an internal diameter of 0.50 inches, regardless of the hose pressure rating.

Suggested Piping Sizes

Pump suction lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is between 2 and 4
feet per second.

Oil return lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is between 10 and 15
feet per second.

Medium pressure supply lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is
between 15 and 20 feet per second.

High pressure supply lines should be sized so the fluid velocity is below 30
feet per second.



Heat Calculations

Heat Dissipation Capacity of Steel Reservoirs

0.001 X Surface Area X Difference between oil and air temperature

If the oil temperature is 140 degrees, and the air temperature is 75 degrees,
how much heat will a reservoir with 20 square feet of surface area dissipate?

Surface Area = 20 square feet
Temperature Difference = 140 degrees - 75 degrees = 65 degrees
0.001 X Surface Area X Temperature Difference = 0.001 X 20 X 65 = 1.3
horsepower

Note: 1 HP = 2,544 BTU per Hour



Heating Hydraulic Fluid

1 watt will raise the temperature of 1 gallon by 1 degree F per hour

and

Horsepower X 745.7 = watts

and

Watts / 1000 = kilowatts



Pneumatic Valve Sizing

Notes:

All these pneumatic formulas assume 68 degrees F at sea level
All strokes and diameters are in inches
All times are in seconds
All pressures are PSI

Valve Sizing for Cylinder Actuation

SCFM = 0.0273 x Cylinder Diameter x Cylinder Diameter x Cylinder Stroke / Stroke
Time x ((Pressure-Pressure Drop)+14.7) / 14.7

Cv Required = 1.024 x SCFM / (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x (Pressure-Pressure
Drop+14.7)))

Pressure 2 (PSIG) = Pressure-Pressure Drop

Air Flow Q (in SCFM) if Cv is Known

Valve Cv x (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x ((PSIG - Pressure Drop) + 14.7))) /
1.024



Cv if Air Flow Q (in SCFM) is Known

1.024 x Air Flow / (Square Root of (Pressure Drop x ((PSIG-Pressure Drop) +
14.7)))

Air Flow Q (in SCFM) to Atmosphere

SCFM to Atmosphere = Valve Cv x (Square Root of (((Primary Pressure x 0.46) +
14.7) x (Primary Pressure x 0.54))) / 1.024

Pressure Drop Max (PSIG) = Primary Pressure x 0.54

Flow Coefficient for Smooth Wall Tubing

Cv of Tubing =(42.3 x Tube I.D. x Tube I.D. x 0.7854 x (Square Root (Tube I.D. /
0.02 x Length of Tube x 12)



Conversions


To Convert Into Multiply By
Bar PSI 14.5
cc Cu. In. 0.06102
°C °F (°C x 1.8) + 32
Kg lbs. 2.205
KW HP 1.341
Liters Gallons 0.2642
mm Inches 0.03937
Nm lb.-ft 0.7375
Cu. In. cc 16.39
°F °C (°F - 32) / 1.8
Gallons Liters 3.785
HP KW 0.7457
Inch mm 25.4
lbs. Kg 0.4535
lb.-ft. Nm 1.356
PSI Bar 0.06896
In. of HG PSI 0.4912
In. of H20 PSI 0.03613

Hey thanks for that. Yep, its all in my head now. Just what I needed!
 
Hi all... sorry I haven't replied to your comments. T'was my birthday, and wife took me away for a long weekend as a surprise. Okay, well to answer your question, I have built a C frame press for my knifemaking workshop. I need to control the stroke of the cylinder thusly. With a lever control, also have a seperate foot control (elect solenoid switch). The lever control will be non detent, and the foot control when depressed will cause the ram to oscillate (load/return) using adjustable (sliding) limit switches, as to allow the operator to select max/min length of stroke.
Circuit will also have adjustable flow rate (speed), and pressure (relief?)for applied tonnage.

Was working on assumption of using a regen type circuit, as to allow for a rapid (2.5 to 3inch/sec or thereabouts) and switching to slow speed on contact with work. Max 35ton (approx).

Hope that helps explain.

Yes it does.

As far as a stroke control, you want (or I think you doo) a

servo type linkage, look at a tractor 3 point hitch control (not electronic.)

Or look at the linkages on the side of a steam hammer. The forging video posted recently in the antique section shows one in good detail, working.
 
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