Haimer 3D Probe Alternatives

Sparky961 · Apr 16, 2018

Anyone who's used one of these can attest to how much quicker it is setting up work in a CNC mill. The extra step of adding/subtracting the radius when using an edge finder or touching off with another tool is slow and error prone.

But Haimer probes are expensive to buy and expensive to maintain if you break more than a few probe tips a year. I don't need convinced of the value. I'm just interested to know if there are any alternatives that provide the same ability to position machine "0" at the part edge without having to consider radius offsets.

Bruce Griffing · Apr 16, 2018

Not as easy to calibrate, but does work... Just not Haimer quality. Check KBC tools - search for 3d indicator. I tried to post a link, but got several database errors.

Sparky961 · Apr 16, 2018

Bruce Griffing said:
Not as easy to calibrate, but does work... Just not Haimer quality. Check KBC tools - search for 3d indicator. I tried to post a link, but got several database errors.

Thanks for this. Have you used this extensively? Once it's calibrated does it stay true for a while?

Bruce Griffing · Apr 16, 2018

I have both the KBC and a few Haimers. I use the KBC tool as my "beater". It gets use and works fine. It may very well be capable of the same precision as the Haimer, but I can't really say. I just don't use it that way.

Bruce Griffing · Apr 16, 2018

BTW, the KBC model appears to be a copy of a Haff & Schneider design rather than a Haimer. The resolution of the KBC tool is just fine - I simply have not tracked how repeatable it is on center. The reason is that I use it mostly in R8 mills. To be accurate, it needs to be set up in a particular tool holder and that holder needs to be oriented in use as it was in calibration.

Mud · Apr 16, 2018

I have a few H&F Tasters - do you know if the KBC tips will fit the H&F?

litlerob1 · Apr 16, 2018

Sparky961 said:
Anyone who's used one of these can attest to how much quicker it is setting up work in a CNC mill. The extra step of adding/subtracting the radius when using an edge finder or touching off with another tool is slow and error prone.

But Haimer probes are expensive to buy and expensive to maintain if you break more than a few probe tips a year. I don't need convinced of the value. I'm just interested to know if there are any alternatives that provide the same ability to position machine "0" at the part edge without having to consider radius offsets.

We are talking about adding and subtracting the number "1" correct? :nutter:

Bruce Griffing · Apr 16, 2018

Mud said:
I have a few H&F Tasters - do you know if the KBC tips will fit the H&F?

The ball diameter is 4mm. Pics:

gkoenig · Apr 16, 2018

After my Haimer leaked while in the Robodrill turret, I looked into Tschorn. Emailed them, got a reply of my technical questions from mr Tschorn himself. I also got to speak to the tech VP at Haimer, who was a good dude and helpful, but the simple fact is that 3D tasters are a minor line of business for Hamier USA and they have almost no support for them in the US. This is what Tschorn does, and they have far better support (and are hungry to outdo Haimer).

The Tschorn SavePlus model is on sale for $210 on Amazon. It isn't waterproof, but given the leaky Haimers I've seen, I don't consider any of these things really waterproof. Having now run both the Haimer and the Tschorn, the Tschorn is slightly nicer, but they both work equally well... but at the $210 price, the Tschorn is a total no-brainer:

TSCHORN 3D-Tester SAVEplus - Model: 163B5I: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

Ray Behner · Apr 16, 2018

litlerob1 said:
We are talking about adding and subtracting the number "1" correct?

Adding and subtracting is the easy part. Remembering is the bitch!

Mud · Apr 16, 2018

gkoenig said:
The Tschorn SavePlus model is on sale for $210 on Amazon.

Wow that's a deal. Now I hope the lathe model comes down a bit.

guest · Apr 16, 2018

gkoenig said:
...but at the $210 price, the Tschorn is a total no-brainer:

Just ordered one, thanks for the link. :cheers:

jahjahjah · Dec 6, 2019

Old price

guest said:
Just ordered one, thanks for the link.

Its appears that price is well gone.

Cole2534 · Dec 6, 2019

jahjahjah said:
Its appears that price is well gone.

But if someone finds it again I'd like to know.

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