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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Keeley View Post
    Beautiful machines, I looked at one before I got my Emco.

    Pretty "specialized" tho? Only 9 x 18", and no threading?

    edit: saw the OP bought an 8 x 16 so maybe he is looking for something in this size...
    I thread with mine all the time. Doesnt do single point threading though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forestgnome View Post
    To those who recommended the 10EE, would you choose a 10EE over an HLV-H? If so, why? I haven't operated either, but it looks to me like the 10EE isn't as versatile.
    I'd put it the other way around. The HLV-H is limited in swing, power, and low end speed. Wonderful for smaller work with lots of threads. But most shops would end up wanting another lathe for routine work.

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    Clausing Colchester???
    They audibly rattle in fear when a 10EE comes within one mile of them.
    HLV-H is really good for 12L14...

    The 10EE will turn literal circles around those two!


    It is true that I have only operated one of those three...

    (Just had to be idiotic after the little coronaquake we had here)

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    Quote Originally Posted by drcoelho View Post
    When confronted with this choice, I ended up going with a new Weiler lathe...comparable specs to the Monarch, more modern electronics. FYI, Monarch Lathes sells 10EE refurbished, 10EE new, and is also the main Weiler distributor in USA.
    How much did it run you, if you don't mind sharing?

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    To the O.P., what kind of budget are we talking here?

    I've only run the EE but its a fantastic machine, I always have the confidence I can go build anything with that machine that I can dream up...within reason you know. Its sort of like my super skilled buddy and its always me who let my end of the bargain down if there's any dissatisfaction with the end product.

    I've read the comments about the EE being capable of more metal removal but I never use it that way...there are other bigger hulks with more mass in the top end to take on that pre-work.

    I feel like with all of the positive comments on the HLV-H lathe over many years they are excellent too and have certain strengths that the EE doesn't.

    We can convert a lot of spit into text here but the budget is pretty important. To add, the machine is only part of the story...having 3,4, jaw chucks, collets, steadies, centers and edge tooling options is also what makes odd jobs easier.

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    OP, if you find one, Colchester Chipmaster.

    L7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Miranda View Post
    Clunky?! With that kind of response I seriously doubt you have ever run one!
    My thoughts exactly!



    Quote Originally Posted by DanASM View Post
    I thread with mine all the time. Doesnt do single point threading though.
    The DV59 is built as a Second Operation machine and is not a Tool room lathe.

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    Prototrack? POS import with lipstick! and yes, I've run one. I'll take the Colchester thank you!

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    I think rebuilding a lathe it likely would not be as good as new.
    Here a new lathe but "condition new?" *caution it may be a scam / *did they leave off a zero?

    Hardinge HLV-H TOOLROOM LATHE | eBay

    Hardinge HLV-H Lathe

    This price more logical for like new... many in nice to very good 8 to 15 K
    IMMACULATE HARDINGE HLV-H SUPER PRECISION TOOL ROOM LATHE | eBay

    Figure used cost plus rebuild, a like new HLV tool room is a very good lathe and likely the better choice.,
    Has metric and imperial threading.

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    Is Yamazen importing the TAC series lathes? The servo-hybrid thing is kinda cool for this sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forestgnome View Post
    To those who recommended the 10EE, would you choose a 10EE over an HLV-H? If so, why? I haven't operated either, but it looks to me like the 10EE isn't as versatile.
    Everyone’s favorite subject: small fancy toolroom lathes.

    I’d take a 10ee over an HLVH for any reason except drive reliability.

    I’ve run a couple nice HLVHs a bit. I’ve got 100+hrs on a nice Sharp HLVH knockoff. I’ve run 6+ 10ee’s including two I’ve owned. I wanted an HLVH for years until I finally got real hours running one. Reasons I dislike the HLVH:

    - Full width carriage shares ways with the tailstock. You have to hang the quill out a mile to turn anything supported by a live center. Even then it often doesn’t reach.

    - Tailstock doesn’t center on ways unless you lock it. You want to power tap with the tailstock unlocked? Be ready for drunken threads.

    - No back gear and limited torque to spindle.

    - Reeves drive that I have to push a button and wait for the speed to change (compare to the 10ee where you just spin a dial to change speed).

    - No graduations for carriage feedrate and feedrate is absolute, rather than feed/rev. Plus carriage feed reverse is way out on the right end of the bed, rather than on the carriage.

    - the Hardinge spindle taper is an obsolete joke compared to camlock, or even the long spindle taper series.

    - only a 3000 rpm spindle, in spite of the limited low-speed performance.

    The HLVH is what you get when you scab a feedworks and tailstock onto a second operation chucking lathe. The 10ee was designed from clean sheet to be a real lathe by people who knew what a real lathe should be.

    I’d take a Monarch 10ee over a Hardinge any day for any of the work I do, including fancy fine-featured collet work. My primary complaint about 10ee’s is shifting their QC gearbox can be a bit annoying. Tuning feedrate is better on an HLVH than 10ee, I’ll give them that.

    I personally own and use a Rivett 1030F and a Nebel Microturn. They’re both similar to a 10ee, but a bit larger which I like. The monarch has a better carriage than both and is easier to change spindle speeds. Otherwise I think Rivett and Nebel compare well enough that I would choose between the three just on condition.

    Well that was fun. Back on topic: Any lathe made by a reputable maker in good condition will work just fine. If it sits on a bench you will be disappointed. No threaded spindle noses, look for L series or D series. Beyond that a few perfectly fine makers: South Bend Heavy 10 with Camlock spindle (slow spindle and light build, otherwise an excellent machine), Clausing Colchester, Webb, Harrison, Rivett, etc. Get something with a spindle brake so you don’t spend your life waiting for it to come to a stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trochoidalpath View Post
    Is Yamazen importing the TAC series lathes? The servo-hybrid thing is kinda cool for this sort of thing.
    Yes. Any of Takisawa's products can be had here. The TACs are not stocked in US but can be ordered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Miranda View Post
    Clunky?! With that kind of response I seriously doubt you have ever run one!
    Actually, I did ... worked in a place with six Monarchs at one time, and I really didn't like the EE too much. The bigger ones were nice tho.

    However, you could be correct, I don't know shit, this is what I used for a toolroom lathe for a year or so ... to be honest, didn't work out that good

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    You could also buy a rebuild Leinen DLZ140 from Rümema Germany
    Very accurate machine
    You defenitly need a DRO on it capable of reading 0.001mm
    Drehmaschinen von Ruemema
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    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that based on his original Grizzly purchase, the OP is not ready to leap to some of the fine 6 figure choices
    Budget is everything in these discussions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Halcohead View Post
    I’d take a 10ee over an HLVH for any reason except drive reliability.
    Ah thryratrons! An even more antique technology than reeves drives.
    Firebottles are fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halcohead View Post
    Well that was fun.
    Also very useful to get so many real-world hands-on comparisons in one place, one post, same operator, ergo same basis for comparison.

    Thanks for that!

    Drive issues no longer a factor, (thank you, Shackelton) at least ONE of the 10EE's gets to stay..

    If only off confirmation there ain't much more green to the grass, 't'other side of the fence!


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    I'm 61 years old. During my career I have run several Americans, a couple of Hardinge, a LeBlond (servo-shift), Mori-Seiki (another fine machine), an Osama (another fine machine), a few south bends (crap is the only word I can find to describe them), Milltronics, Southwestern, and probably several others. The best toolroom lathe hands down is the Monarch 10EE. It is robust and smooth as silk. The drives however - kinda cool to watch those giant tubes light up but other than that - not particularly reliable. We had ours updated to solid state by a local outfit in the Cleveland area about 10 years ago and it has been absolutely trouble free to this day.

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    Oh yeah … and a Summit - now that's clunky.

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