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    Quote Originally Posted by Stradbash View Post
    WTF does this have to do with the integrity of a machine tool supplier?!


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    As the t-shirt should say;

    NOBODY CARES
    GET BACK TO WORK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stradbash View Post
    WTF does this have to do with the integrity of a machine tool supplier?!
    Dunno?

    That he is successful, self-made and "right here IN AMERICA" puts the whiner-hater-blamer sewercidal lootercites into a frothing red rage.

    See Ms Millie Malice.

    I had her posts on "ignore", didn't see them until they started getting quoted. Posts 235 earlier and since.

    Now with no Trump to bash, (s)he is shifting to defending Joe Buyed-in?

    Her usual "TDS" "hate on America, look how pretty Millie-Malice is" pattern at work.

    BFD

    HER business had probably already failed?

    Nobody has to follow that example!

    Vikings never need permission to go forth and stroke ogam!

    Trouser leg stripe.. to go with the Tee Shirt?

    Ignore the C*nt
    Work Harder
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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    As the t-shirt should say;

    NOBODY CARES
    GET BACK TO WORK
    +1 for realism. In the last 35 years of employment, my experience is largely "race to the bottom" wall-to-wall corruption and ratphking. and the guys that are actually worth working for/with can be counted on one hand. Even right here in USA. So my viewpoint is "nobody owes you an employee". Particularly not since the actual cost of living (not CPI). If wages had kept up with inflation, the minimum would be over $20/hr.

    I used to work in a place where they would get a guy off the street, show him how to hold and squeeze the MIG gun, and after a day or three the managers would say he was a welder....... at $9 per hr.

    Not.

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    I think it is safe to say the clown that started this thread has accomplished the polar opposite of what he wanted.

    They say there is no such thing as bad publicity and when it comes to businesses that's usually close to true

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavt View Post
    I used to work in a place where they would get a guy off the street, show him how to hold and squeeze the MIG gun, and after a day or three the managers would say he was a welder....... at $9 per hr.

    Not.
    F**K!

    Yer meant to SQUEEZE it?

    Yah mean I cudda still had a few f**kin' TEETH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardplates View Post
    They say there is no such thing as bad publicity and when it comes to businesses that's usually close to true
    LOL! Had a rather boistrous Uncle who inspired strong feelings now and then.

    He said:"I don't care why they remember the name. So long as they don't forget it!"

    Weren't even Chinese. But owned EVERY dry cleaning, steam laundry, and dyers in two adjacent counties (Upshur & Lewis, WV)

    Proudly had his name on all of them.

    Except one.

    That curiously didn't NEED its own steam and perchlor plant. Just a repair and alterations seamstress, a good back door and sheltered egress. To his only unmarked truck.

    Why not that one?
    And why did staff at that one chronically disparage him?
    And charge higher prices?

    "Why would I want to lose the business when folks get angry .. and storm off to become really LOYAL repeat customers ... at the higher prices ...of my only competition?"

    Dumb like the proprofitable fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmari --MariTool- View Post
    We were not contacted to inquire about this order or given an opportunity to 'make it right'. We simply got an email to cancel the order, which we did. No hard feelings here. Sorry it didn't work out.
    Class act as anyone who deals with Mari would expect. I'm mostly a "hobbyist" and have never had a problem Mari-Tools product or deliver in more than 10 years of buying from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Henry View Post
    Class act as anyone who deals with Mari would expect..
    It's actually about as straighforward efficient and easy as can be. There isn't a lot of "spare time" in a business to go off getting into bitch and bun-fight juvenile turmoil. The old saw: "No one ever WON an argument with a customer" has more than one meaning.

    So the wise do not. Waste THEIR time and resources even detouring to get engaged in arguments.

    It can get funny as Hell.

    Customer is raising the devil about his unhappiness with a mass-produced (so he can AFFORD it at ALL) lace tablecloth. Our wisest, most effectively diplomatic, and most senior Store Manager - an Irish Boston "Southie" and former big-bore tube Artillery cool-hand "Forward Observer" Officer.. ramrodding the flagship store attached to HQ, has ALREADY given him a full refund. And the tablecloth we don't want to put back in stock, regardless. Some eat on them. Others shag on the table. Or multi-task.

    But the "Customer" wants to draw out the issue and make a bigger scene.

    Founder and Chairman wanders by, introduces himself. Now.. it just weren't in Walter's core NATURE to be yer average DOORMAT, but he loves customers for their monetary value, the fleet of limited production Mercedes, the upgrade from a 52 foot Hatteras yat-shit to a 75 with twin Caterpiggle blower V12s, earning more in a good year than the President. Of the United States...so he fakes it well. Really well.

    ...most days.

    This was to turn out to be one of his "Payback is a M****r F*****r days.

    "What is your occupation, Sir?"

    "I'm a PLUMBER! What the F**k does that have to do with a shitty tablecloth?"

    Bad move. Right in front of him, as if Walter had taken a Zeppelin-pill and the nasty short s**t had vanished below his six-foot six altitude, he turns to the six foot two store manager:

    "Mr. Kelly? What the f**k could a plumber possibly know about fine linens?"

    "Give this asshole his money back. Throw him the f**k out of MY store. Don't let me catch him in here, ever again!"

    "Sounds fair, Mr. B___. Consider it done."

    And done it assuredly WAS!

    "Security" were NOT Wackenfutz slovenly-dressed "Rent-a-Cop" at Walter's stores. Not with multiple millions in "high line" joolry in the cases as well as tablecloths.

    Off-shift Montgomery County Police, armed, expert, and instantly back ON duty should fecal matter even head in the general direction of the fan.

    I very DAMNED well KNEW BETTER than to show any emotion at all as a "bystander". Just pretended I saw nada. How could I? We had a wonderful customer care policy. No such thing could possibly ever happen. So it must not have! "That's my story, and..."

    Ever' body has to be SOMEWHERE. Ever' body has their limits.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Henry View Post
    Class act as anyone who deals with Mari would expect. I'm mostly a "hobbyist" and have never had a problem Mari-Tools product or deliver in more than 10 years of buying from him.
    Stuff like this is the reason why I vote with my dollars for made in USA stuff. And yeah that includes mari tool. Way I see it is, I can't afford to support the bastards who offshored our economy (there will never be enough money in the world for them), so I will *always* favor the made in USA guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavt View Post
    Way I see it is, I can't afford to support the bastards who offshored our economy (there will never be enough money in the world for them), so I will *always* favor the made in USA guy.
    That matters:

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


    Lutheran Pastor Martin Niemöller. Complex life. No saint he.

    But the message has value.

    On how Hitler .. and OTHERS.. bumbling incompetents nearly all of them, actually .. had done what he had done.. with no real opposition. Until it was far too late.

    "Consent of the victim" might fit?

    We all learn more slowly than we might have done.

    Price?

    No longer factor one. Trust matters.
    You pay what it asks. And ask in the same coin.

    Turns out to be less expensive. In the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beckerkumm View Post
    For what it is worth, I emailed Maritool with a question about ordering a $150 tool. In my experience, few emails get responses because most are fishing and a waste of time but I got two responses this time. I tend to believe their version. Dave
    Yes Me as well. Maritool is very quick to respond and help out in any way they can. They stand behind their products which is seemingly getting more difficult to find these days. The OP is probably realizing he went to the wrong place to try and vent..

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    We got a mill at work and I need to tool it up, but have limited practical experience other than a resume mix up that had me running a mill with no training. On the bright side it took them 3 days to realize, so maybe I did okay?

    Anyway, this is a professional application and we need to make lots of parts in house but I am quite new to this. Is Frank a good person to order from or will it be too much of a drain on his resources?

    We personally always value business but some customers are more emails than they are worth, and I don't want to be /that/ guy. (or /this/ guy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thermite View Post
    That matters:

    Price?

    No longer factor one. Trust matters.
    You pay what it asks. And ask in the same coin.

    Turns out to be less expensive. In the long run.
    I have "gone on strike" against all those who have screwed us economically over the last 20 years.
    I have not bought *anything* brand-new in 20 yrs.
    Unless it was made in USA, by people who could afford to live.
    Every brand that got debased and offshored.
    Every scumbag who raided the pension fund and then declared BK.
    Every private equity holding company (I'm looking at you, Apex tools)
    Every hedge fund.
    Every one that said "starve the beast" while LYING about who the beast really is.
    Every one that said "globalization".

    You know who the beast is? The beast lives on Wall St, and they own the politicians. All of them, both parties. The politicians represent their donors. Not you and me.

    So now I am starving the beast and I encourage everyone else to do likewise.
    Am I rich? HELL NO, most of you are making at least 2x what I am... but I do know I can't afford to feed the beast. I have to feed my own first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strostkovy View Post
    We got a mill at work and I need to tool it up, but have limited practical experience other than a resume mix up that had me running a mill with no training. On the bright side it took them 3 days to realize, so maybe I did okay?

    Anyway, this is a professional application and we need to make lots of parts in house but I am quite new to this. Is Frank a good person to order from or will it be too much of a drain on his resources?

    We personally always value business but some customers are more emails than they are worth, and I don't want to be /that/ guy. (or /this/ guy).
    Emmm. I'd GUESS.. that 99.99% of orders.. are just .. orders?

    "No Drama"

    Go onto Maritool.com. Find what you need.

    Be(come) a wise person and read the specs and OTHER info for the grouping. There's a lot of it that answers questions you did not even know were better served with understanding than ignorance. Whomever did the website knows that and has done a good job.

    "Add to cart"

    "Check out"

    - select the speed of shipping.

    PAY!

    The goods JF show up.

    It's only COMPLICATED when someone who does NOT pay attention presumes he is SUCH a powerful counterforce to standard-issue progress as to presume to be ABLE to f**k it up to feed an "attention bid".

    Frank makes no claims, holds no patent on competence in business.
    He didn't invent it. He just creates to it, stocks it, and delivers it.

    He. we, and anyone sane is glad he is a good example.

    And gladder yet he is NOT "the only one left on Planet Earth".

    PM is actually RICH with more winners than whiners.. competent folks that JFDI and deliver the goods.

    You, reading, hopefully ARE another of those?

    Where TF would HE or YOU get decent, staff, raw materials, and machinery from if he WERE to be "the last competent man on Planet Earth"?


    " The last man on Earth sat in a locked room."

    A phrase billed as the world's shortest horror story.
    Or mystery.
    Or mayhap just a prominent SF writer's idea of a wicked JOKE?

    Take is as you see fit. Ummh. which side is it locked from?

    But try like Hell to make sure it never HAPPENS, willyah!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strostkovy View Post
    Anyway, this is a professional application and we need to make lots of parts in house but I am quite new to this. Is Frank a good person to order from or will it be too much of a drain on his resources?
    I have watched them build their business over the last couple decades and they seem to be OK. I have no complaints, orders are filled promptly and professionally in my experience with them.

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    I am no happier with jobs being shipped overseas than anyone else, but there is a factor that no one mentions. If Mexico reached the same economic level as the US, we wouldn't have thousands of Mexicans massed on our border trying to get in.

    I realize it is not that simple and I am not sure I have any better solution than others, but I am sure that the solution is not to keep other countries in poverty so we can benefit from their labor cheap.

    I was working full time during the late 70s and 80s when American quality took a nosedive, leaving openings for others, mostly Asians, to fill the gaps. Then things like milling cutters started appearing with American flags on the catalog listings. Many were unbranded, but someone was making really good things. I applaud people like Mari who started making good merchandise here and hope they keep it up.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavt View Post
    I have "gone on strike" against all those who have screwed us economically over the last 20 years.
    I have not bought *anything* brand-new in 20 yrs.
    Unless it was made in USA, by people who could afford to live.
    Every brand that got debased and offshored.
    Every scumbag who raided the pension fund and then declared BK.
    Every private equity holding company (I'm looking at you, Apex tools)
    Every hedge fund.
    Every one that said "starve the beast" while LYING about who the beast really is.
    Every one that said "globalization".

    You know who the beast is? The beast lives on Wall St, and they own the politicians. All of them, both parties. The politicians represent their donors. Not you and me.

    So now I am starving the beast and I encourage everyone else to do likewise.
    Am I rich? HELL NO, most of you are making at least 2x what I am... but I do know I can't afford to feed the beast. I have to feed my own first.
    Well put.

    And "Gee, ain't it funny..." The Ripofflican "beast" has BECOME more useful to the little guy.. because.. as with farmers and those who raise cows to be milked, pigs and chickens for their food value.. or need workers to shovel the shit .. or appreciate the need of customers a'spending.. to put more coin into their pockets.

    Whereas .. the FORMER champions of the small potato have come to believe they no longer need cows to milk, chickens to slaughter..or "customers" at all.. because all guidance comes from Big Tech, Big Media, Big China, or Big Boolshit... at no efort on their part atall. Disappointed voters are simply replaced with II's and the gifting of the loyal dead with MORE than just the traditional two votes, each.

    Whislt money legislated out of the spare gold mines in the sky is less WORK. And already "too hard".. for minds gone atrophied or insane for lack of honest work.

    What this country needs is a credible "third party".

    Or at least an outdoors BBQ?

    Folk who attended the last two parties simply got shitfaced drunk, rude, and hungover.

    Enough BILLIONS went into Campaign Contributions we could have f****g BOUGHT a chilled twelve-pack of Turd-World Countries right outta the cooler .. instead of creating yet ANOTHER one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strostkovy View Post
    Anyway, this is a professional application and we need to make lots of parts in house but I am quite new to this. Is Frank a good person to order from or will it be too much of a drain on his resources?

    We personally always value business but some customers are more emails than they are worth, and I don't want to be /that/ guy. (or /this/ guy).
    My perspective from the selling end is - Just the fact that you realize that, will prevent you from being that guy.
    I find that if someone calls and asks "can I ask you for some advice?" I'll give him all the time he wants and more. The guy who rudely demands I be his servant gets just enough to get him satisfied and gone. Let the seller chose to serve you, Frank is offering his goods to everyone, you included, so take him up on that and let him set the limits, if any. Don't limit his sales market (meaning you) for him without his desire to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strostkovy View Post
    We got a mill at work and I need to tool it up, but have limited practical experience other than a resume mix up that had me running a mill with no training. On the bright side it took them 3 days to realize, so maybe I did okay?

    Anyway, this is a professional application and we need to make lots of parts in house but I am quite new to this. Is Frank a good person to order from or will it be too much of a drain on his resources?

    We personally always value business but some customers are more emails than they are worth, and I don't want to be /that/ guy. (or /this/ guy).
    Buy everything you can from him. You won't be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie gary View Post
    Buy everything you can from him. You won't be disappointed.
    Pays off.

    Production Tool Supply didn't have to be "Perfect Tool Supply". Just good enough I can't be bothered messing with MSC.

    1960 to as long as they and I both stay reasonably good at our respective jobs of responsive supplier and fair-minded customer. Could yet turn into a fair run I but lose more tools than marbles, next 20 year?



    I don't mind a mill supply offers more than one source.

    I LIKE it when it isn't obfuscated, but "at least" listed in "our partners".

    Better yet? Called out specifically. Right next to the item.

    As-in:

    "MariTool"

    AND NOT "East is (bumf**ked) Red" AKA "China"



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