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Tell Me About, Ellis 6.5 Dividing Head!!!

seagiant

Cast Iron
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Hi,
I've been looking YEARS for a small Dividing Head, to go with my BP Mill!

A friend of mine that has his own machine business happened to have an Ellis 6.5 he wanted to sale so I got it.

What I have read is it is good American Iron!

Came with the three index plates and the tailstock!

No chuck but has 1.5"X8 threads like my Clausing lathe and takes 3C collets like my lathe.

Should be able make it all work well together!!!
 

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Hi,
I've been looking YEARS for a small Dividing Head, to go with my BP Mill!

A friend of mine that has his own machine business happened to have an Ellis 6.5 he wanted to sale so I got it.

What I have read is it is good American Iron!

Came with the three index plates and the tailstock!

No chuck but has 1.5"X8 threads like my Clausing lathe and takes 3C collets like my lathe.

Should be able make it all work well together!!!

I have an Ellis, one 24-notch index plate, one basic dividing plate. Like it a lot for small size and a mass I can easily lift and place.

Mine has the 1 3/4"-8 thread and a #9 B&S taper.

Shars had a backplate, I have spare 4-J chucks and plenty of #9 B&S tooling, so - happy camper.

To your great good fortune you got more than just one of the dividing plates. Other plate and sector arms CAN be adapted, but you'll probably have scant need.

Enjoy!

Bill
 
Why are there three exclamation points behind this thread title?

Just askin'

ECJ
 
Because small Ellis heads are as common as internet exclamation points, so they travel well together?... :rolleyes5:

< it's snarky Tuesday > :)

Only if he plans to SCRAPE some part of it does "snarky" enter the room..

:)

And one could only WISH their #2, #3 and the other four 'special option' dividing plates were in any way 'common'.

Bill
 
Seagiant,
I have an Ellis Head and use it often. I have cut many
gears and some other fancy spaced milling. I'm sure there
are better dividing heads out there but the Ellis is well
built and is easy to set up. You don't need help getting it
on or off the machine like the Cinci's or B&S's. You can
download the parts list and instructions for free with a
little searching. Happy Indexing.
spaeth
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Hi,
I put exclamation marks at the end of my subject lines to garner intrest in the thread!

Thanks for the comments and pics so far.

I bought a nice 1965 series 1 BP but got no tooling, so have slowly tried to get a few things at a decent price, trying to stay quality as much as possible!

The Ellis came along and seemed perfect for my needs.

With the 3 index plates I can divide from 2-100 divisions!

That will work for me!
 
With the 3 index plates I can divide from 2-100 divisions!

More than that.

There are gaps, of course, but "Chart #1" for the basic three plates goes to 860.

"Chart #2" covers the four optional "high division" plates.

I don't think PM allows the .pdf file type I have those tables as, but as previously advised, you can (and SHOULD) go and find them online.

Next-up? I also have a 120 mm Yuasa/News rotab. 90:1 geared. Same plates provide a whole 'nuther set of coverage tables if used with that gearing as a DH.

BTW - it isn't the uber-fine-division one needs.

More plates are to be sure gaps are covered amongst lesser-divisions. By and large, the standard 3 do that as well as is needed.

Bill
 
Hi,
Thanks!

Are all these Dividing Heads a copy of the original Brown and Sharpe design?

I mean if I want to take mine apart and clean it, it will come apart like a B&S?

Disassenbly and Assembly of a Brown & Sharpe Dividing Head - YouTube

?? Why B&S if you do not HAVE B&S?

Far wiser to just download the Ellis manuals, specs, and parts lists as they are a specific match.

Simple DH to keep in good repair, too.

As to a B&S connection? IRRC the plates and tables are similar. But that's true of MANY DH with the same worm ratios.

Example from my own plate-search cross-ref notes:

My Ellis dividing plates are 5" dia X .315 thick, 1 1/8" bore
3 mounting holes. I've misplaced the bolt-circle info. Perhaps someone else can post it.

Plate hole counts are as follows:

Standard Plates:

No. 1- 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20

No. 2- 21, 23, 27, 29, 31, 33

No. 3- 37, 39, 41, 43, 47, 49

Optional High Number Plates:

No. 4- 25, 61, 71, 83, 91, 93

No. 5- 51, 53, 63, 73, 81, 96

No. 6- 22, 57, 67, 77, 87, 97

No. 7- 28, 59, 69, 79, 89, 99

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Shars plates:

A Plate:15,16,17,18,19,20 Same as Ellis #1

B Plate:21,23,27,29,31,33 Same as Ellis #2

C Plate:37,39,41,43,47,49 Same as Ellis #3

Believed to be available in both 150 mm (6" nominal) and 100 mm (4" nominal)
Bore diameter believed to be 21 mm / 7/8"(.826") on small ones
Bore diameter not known to me for larger ones
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Set of three listed by a vendor based in India
A set of 3 pcs Dividing plates set for HV4 & HV6 Rotary Table.
Centre Hole of the plate is 21 mm (0.0826)

This set gives"
15,16,17,18,19,20
21,23,27,29,31,33
37,39,41,43,47,49

==================================

Vertex: Taiwan originally, mainland China now (maybe?):

For VERTEX DP-1 DIVIDING PLATE SET FOR 4 -6" ROTARY TABLES

A plate with 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20;

B plate with 21, 23, 27, 29, 31 and 33; and the

C plate with 37, 39, 41, 43, 47, and 49 divisions.

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Larger Imported plates listed on eBay for 6" , 8" 10" and 12"
horizontal, vertical and tilting rotary tables.

These have FOUR mounting holes

Package is just TWO dividing plates, A and B, plus a crank handle and sector set
Any number from 2-66 and 68-132 which is divisible by 2,3,and 5 can be divided evenly.

A. 34.37.38.39.41.43.44.50.52.56.61

B. 46.47.49.51.53.54.57.58.59.62.64

OD of plate : 5-1/8"

The diameter of the center hole in the handle: 0.472"

The diameter of the center hole on the dividing plate : 1.496"

The width of groove in the handle : 0.551"

The length of groove in the handle: 1.653"
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Bridgeport plates:

5 1/2"dia, 7/32 thick, 1 1/8" bore, 1/8" holes
2 mounting holes not 3.

#1 - 9, 28, 34, 41, 47
#2 - 10, 29, 35, 43, 49
#3 - 21, 31, 37, 44, 53
#4 - 25, 32, 38, 46, 59

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L&W Chuck Co:

For 6.5" swing

Plate 1 > 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
Plate 2 > 21, 23, 27, 29, 31, 33
Plate 3 > 37, 39, 41, 43, 47, 49

* The plate thickness is just under .250
* .125 diam div holes
* 1.125 centering hole
* Bolt circle 1.750, 3 CS .27 holes

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Refer to Ellis tables for use on 40:1 dividing head or rotab

A 90:1 ratio DH or ROTAB needs other tables, but they are around.

There are at least two other ratios that have been used more than
just 'once in a great while' for DH and rotabs, but 40:1 and 90:1 are common.

NB: adapting other plates and sector arms to an Ellis needs 'mostly' a stub, stepped bushing to move the whole shebang outward so it clears, then an offset mount of some sort for the reference mechanism.

Any error will be divided by 40, so it is precision work, but only reasonably so, not insanely so.

Bill
 
Zanhrad,
The Sector Gear is a replacement part for an older
Lamp Working Machine which makes light bulbs. There
are two slightly different sectors and a pinion in
the mechanism. It is a rather fun project, you may
have noticed the Special Plate on the Ellis head I
made for that job.
spaeth
 
Hi,
Wow!

Looks like I came to the right place to ask about DH"s!

Yea I have the exploded view of the 6.5 Ellis and all the tables,thanks!

I put the link up to the B&S as it helps me to see one come apart?

The 3 plates with the Ellis I'm buying, should do what I need.

Which will be gun work (compensators, fluting barrels, ect.!)
 








 
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