Hi Team
I am new to this forum. I need some advice.
I have a problem that needs solving but I don't think, this is one which can be solved as a DIY.
For a while now I have been working on a project at home. I have been restoring my 1972 BMW 2002 tii. I have been working on it for a few years now. I am not too far from completing it.
There is one part of this project that I have been putting off for a while now and that is the gearbox. I have a 5 speed gear box in the car. It works fine but after 47 years in service it has some niggling issues like leaking seals etc. I can fix most of these problems. However there is one thing that is concerning me and that is as follows.
The output shaft on the gearbox has splines on it (14 splines). There is a metal output flange with corresponding splines that sits on this output shaft and gets torqued down in place. Then the propeller shaft connects to this 4 hole output flange and propeller shaft connects to the differential at the back of the car. The interface between the output flange and the output shaft is my concern.
I have noticed that there is a bit of backlash between the flange and the output shaft (see video in link below). I inspected the splines on the output shaft and the splines on the flange. They both appear to have some wear. I don't think it’s supposed to be an interference fit between the two but certainly is not supposed to have so much play.
Dropbox - Video 15-10-19, 6 02 43 pm.mov - Simplify your life 15-10-19%2C 6 02 43 pm.mov?dl=0
Dropbox - Video 15-10-19, 6 03 24 pm.mov - Simplify your life 15-10-19%2C 6 03 24 pm.mov?dl=0
I have been contemplating for a while now as to how I should fix this. Since the gearbox is 47 years old BMW no longer make the output shafts nor is it possible for me to source a used or brand new out put flange. So that rules out replacement parts.
I could source another gearbox from another model car similar to mine but my chances are very slime. 5 speed boxes are almost impossible to find after all these decades and even if I did find one, it most likely would have suffered similar wear and tear after being in service for several decades. So not worth going down that track.
I could bolt it all back together (with Loctite) and keep using it but it will one day be an issue where the splines will get destroyed totally.
Also this gearbox is very valuable just the way it is. So it would be nice to restore it.
My question - Is there any way I can rebuild the splines on both the output flange and output shaft such that they fit well in to each other? Is spray welding an option? Can it be built up by having it plated in some metal compound etc? I know this is potentially an expensive and time consuming road I am heading down but I am seeking different options before I make any decisions. If you have any ideas then please do share.
If I were to strip the gearbox down can I take the output shaft and the output flange to a competent machine shop who could build the splines up and rectify the problem?
I am looking for any suggestions so that I can make an informed decision.
Any help is much appreciated.
Regards
Raj
I am new to this forum. I need some advice.
I have a problem that needs solving but I don't think, this is one which can be solved as a DIY.
For a while now I have been working on a project at home. I have been restoring my 1972 BMW 2002 tii. I have been working on it for a few years now. I am not too far from completing it.
There is one part of this project that I have been putting off for a while now and that is the gearbox. I have a 5 speed gear box in the car. It works fine but after 47 years in service it has some niggling issues like leaking seals etc. I can fix most of these problems. However there is one thing that is concerning me and that is as follows.
The output shaft on the gearbox has splines on it (14 splines). There is a metal output flange with corresponding splines that sits on this output shaft and gets torqued down in place. Then the propeller shaft connects to this 4 hole output flange and propeller shaft connects to the differential at the back of the car. The interface between the output flange and the output shaft is my concern.
I have noticed that there is a bit of backlash between the flange and the output shaft (see video in link below). I inspected the splines on the output shaft and the splines on the flange. They both appear to have some wear. I don't think it’s supposed to be an interference fit between the two but certainly is not supposed to have so much play.
Dropbox - Video 15-10-19, 6 02 43 pm.mov - Simplify your life 15-10-19%2C 6 02 43 pm.mov?dl=0
Dropbox - Video 15-10-19, 6 03 24 pm.mov - Simplify your life 15-10-19%2C 6 03 24 pm.mov?dl=0
I have been contemplating for a while now as to how I should fix this. Since the gearbox is 47 years old BMW no longer make the output shafts nor is it possible for me to source a used or brand new out put flange. So that rules out replacement parts.
I could source another gearbox from another model car similar to mine but my chances are very slime. 5 speed boxes are almost impossible to find after all these decades and even if I did find one, it most likely would have suffered similar wear and tear after being in service for several decades. So not worth going down that track.
I could bolt it all back together (with Loctite) and keep using it but it will one day be an issue where the splines will get destroyed totally.
Also this gearbox is very valuable just the way it is. So it would be nice to restore it.
My question - Is there any way I can rebuild the splines on both the output flange and output shaft such that they fit well in to each other? Is spray welding an option? Can it be built up by having it plated in some metal compound etc? I know this is potentially an expensive and time consuming road I am heading down but I am seeking different options before I make any decisions. If you have any ideas then please do share.
If I were to strip the gearbox down can I take the output shaft and the output flange to a competent machine shop who could build the splines up and rectify the problem?
I am looking for any suggestions so that I can make an informed decision.
Any help is much appreciated.
Regards
Raj