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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    That in spades. A low paid job now on the front line and taking fire.
    How scary it must be just to get out of bed and go to work.
    The enemy can not be seen, you do not have enough armor, you fear you will be overrun with good reason.......
    They need our support.

    As this gets worse we will be frustrated, pissed off and angry at our healthcare workers.
    Let us try to understand those out there trying hard to protect us even when their rules fly in our face.
    A very tough job right now, not sure I could take the pressure and endless worry for the pay.
    Bob
    Are they really low paid in that profession?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
    Looking in from overseas I'm sure that the USA is still capable of making immense strides in this new " war ". In the 1939-45 war once US industry got fully on stream it was only ever going to end one way. It's still a sleeping giant when it comes to innovation, in spite of what some of us might think about the younger generation. I just hope that the generosity shown at that time to the other beleaguered Allies is repeated today when solutions to this crisis are arrived at.

    Regards and keep safe you guys, Tyrone.
    That is the most positive statement you have made about the US. Check your temperature Tyrone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Wow, now that is really interesting.
    Rush made a statement What if China…
    No, I am not going to repeat it but it was on Talk Radio 760 Detroit at about 1:20 Wednesday,
    4-16 2020.

    Yes one might listen to the replay...
    So I was listening to the Communist party podcast and they had some interesting opinions and questions about the situation

    Yeah, Rush is a junky entertainer

    Very serious thinking going on over there

    right up there with Howard Stern

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    President Trump is the first president to stand up to that country. Big surprise for charlie ...
    I can tell they are shaking in their boots

    'stupid' is not a foreign policy


    I happen to agree that China was given too easy access to our markets and took huge advantage with no turn around

    trumpskis 'stupidtariffs' were not, are not, the answer and have done more to hurt us than them

    Oh, and i am sure they are still laughing at him[not with him] about the whole adventure in North Korea


    YEah, running scared they are

    Do I wish Clinton, Bush, Obama had been harsher?
    Absolutely

    Again, stupid is not an answer

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    On biological agents I thought the agents were engineered to be less virulent so as to not come back and harm the producer. Think I have heard that the weaponized anthrax and others were done this way. This thing just is too viral! I have seen excerpts from Vaccine magazine talking about their nightmares and this one fits the bill. These pandemics are expected to pop up every 33 to 39 years. Too bad the research on SARS and MERS was dropped, this new thing is so closely related a vaccine or anti viral for either of those 2 would have probably worked for this one as they are so closely related.

    China killing off there biggest customers where is the wisdom in doing that?

    People in China eating exotic and endangered animal, making medicines out of rhino horns is just stupid, maybe they will get a little wiser in the future. Kind of doubt that, most have to be clubbed over the head many times to get wise if ever. I saw a piece not too long ago saying the "wet" markets where this thing is supposed to have come from are starting up again.

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    its great how its ok to sling unsupported theories about....

    however, mention one supported fact.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Are they really low paid in that profession?
    Not talking doctors and such here.
    The troops on the front line and what would be assembly line workers in a auto plant or machine button pushers.
    Now asked to take risks but worse yet see and live with not very nice outcomes.
    Yes, it pays shit at entry level. Some in this field make big dollars, most do not.

    But there is only so much money to go around and pay people.
    Most health systems are now bleeding red ink now so you see weird things like layoffs happening.
    Our rich uncle can pump funds for some period of time.
    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trueturning View Post
    Are they really low paid in that profession?
    Not sure what Bob is on about. My brother is a LPN at a major hospital in downtown Dayton OH. Regular time he made $34 an hour, this kung flu adds +$15 an hour and all the hours he wants to work. He's banking well.

    He got offers to go to NYC for 10k a week, 12 hours on/12 hours off for 21 days. NYS (or the fed?) relaxed the requirements for out of state licensed nurses. Travel, room and board provided, and a daily stipend. He talked to some of his contacts in his profession and decided no way. The hospital conditions there and lack of adequate PPE is what turned him off.

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    Your link shows up for a second before it goes to 'page not found'. It seems to show $14 an hour, but I cannot identify what position. In my AO, that is what a low-level STNA makes to change pissy bed sheets.

    Below is a link to thread on another forum from an RN who took NYC up their 10k a week offer. Him and wife both. 60k for a month of work, combined. If you follow the OP in the thread, there is a lot of real boots-on-the-ground information. Like anything on the web, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    I’m a contract RN working in a New York ER - AR15.COM

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    Likely some Governors sticking their smarts/Intelligence too far out may have/cause a surprise come election time.

    Yes The Corona virus has brought out all the "want to be important" attributes of some bozos

    I know of a wild onion patch, perhaps one of the biggest in Michigan in a forest of cherry trees..A picker comes in and select/cuts so not to pick-out the field..and he pays $2,000 a year for the pickings..

    20 Popular Types Of Mushrooms (And Their Uses) - GroCycle
    I have often wondered if I should switch to an onion patch. I just plant them in the garden now. Just received my starts. Probably go in this weekend. Thanks for the mushroom link. I have a couple good spots in Ingham and Shiawassee county.

    Thom J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    It appears even the protests are well mannered, read they mostly stayed in their cars

    I think it wise to not panic over viruses or restrictions
    You are correct. I and my girl friend know many people that were at the protest. It was calm and peaceful. There were no blocked ambulances or fire trucks. Just tens of thousands of people worried about loosing everything they have. We must carry on. The media would have you believe the virus is a death sentence. And that is just not true. It breaks my heart to see businesses loose everything. I still have work. Could use more. I am blessed. I am keeping as normal life as Nitwit-mer will allow.

    Thom J

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger doug View Post
    That's not the spin Mitch Albom put on it....I listen every day, and he has been very good, but the attack on the woman that organized the protest was un-called for.
    I missed that. Get loud in the shop sometimes. Mitch I usually very fair and unbiased. I was mad as a wet cat yesterday when I heard Nitwit-mer say it was a political rally. Her total disregard for our Michigan business is appalling. She has been lying full time since before she was elected. She plays backs stabbing politics every chance she gets. Talks from both sides of her mouth. She is the absolute worst thing for Michigan right now.

    Thom J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomj View Post
    You are correct. I and my girl friend know many people that were at the protest. It was calm and peaceful. There were no blocked ambulances or fire trucks. Just tens of thousands of people worried about loosing everything they have. We must carry on. The media would have you believe the virus is a death sentence. And that is just not true. It breaks my heart to see businesses loose everything. I still have work. Could use more. I am blessed. I am keeping as normal life as Nitwit-mer will allow.

    Thom J
    Let's be clear, I think you are wrong and downright silly. I have seen no evidence that the restrictions in Michigan are any more draconian than elsewhere, although I could be convinced on that point if someone pointed things out

    I do however think is it was a downright clever way to create a protest while mostly respecting the rules that are in place.

    What people ought to be protesting is the continued lack of testing. Testing is the way out. The curve has broken, now we need to know how many people are still susceptible to know the way forward

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    QT: [Nitwit-mer]

    That is a good one...I hate name calling but that one fits IMHO.

    QT: [ Michigan are not any more draconian than elsewhere,]

    Perhaps but she could have advised safety at gas pumps and offered good advice to make her stand with not getting everybody upset... People are bored and stressed out so easy to get hot..if at all smarter than a rock she would have known that IMHO.

    QT:[ought to be protesting is the continued lack of testing.] seems the test number are not bad in the USA ,
    think it was about 3 million yesterday. I will check the numbers for today......

    Yes 3,411,394 tests in the USA ( 4-17- 2020) and the USA leads the world with that number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Let's be clear, I think you are wrong and downright silly. I have seen no evidence that the restrictions in Michigan are any more draconian than elsewhere, although I could be convinced on that point if someone pointed things out

    I do however think is it was a downright clever way to create a protest while mostly respecting the rules that are in place.

    What people ought to be protesting is the continued lack of testing. Testing is the way out. The curve has broken, now we need to know how many people are still susceptible to know the way forward
    All I know is what I am seeing personally. I have not study, or investigation to quote. I have been in this area all my life. I know a lot of business people. Most are not sitting on piles of cash. And most care very much for their employees. I see high levels of stress as friends are about to loose tier business. Landscaper friend can't recover from all of his live stock that won't get planted. Loans are no good in my opinion, borrowing money that you can not pay back. Yes, maybe I need to remain calm. And I am for the most part. But I am sure if we put safety measures in place, more of our economy could be working than is now. I care deeply for my fellow human.... Now back to the shop, so thankful I have work right now.

    Kind regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    QT: [Nitwit-mer]

    That is a good one...I hate name calling but that one fits IMHO.

    QT: [ Michigan are not any more draconian than elsewhere,]

    Perhaps but she could have advised safety at gas pumps and offered good advice to make her stand with not getting everybody upset... People are bored and stressed out so easy to get hot..if at all smarter than a rock she would have known that IMHO.
    Yes, I do not like name calling either. I should not have said it. I call myself a nitwit sometimes. And yes, people are very stressed. My ex wife is locked down in her country home with my 16 year old son. I let her keep him until this is over. He should be here some of the time helping in the shop. She will not leave. I convinced her to let me drop off milk the other day. She has tears in her eyes just talking to me. Is tearing us all up.

    Thanks friend,
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    Latest numbers
    Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,205,976 Cases and 148,641 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

    New cases 640 / new deaths 24..so looks like number are getting better in The USA..as of about 9:00

    Yes I was corrected as the number is as of right now bu the hour /so does not mean much until the ed of the day...

    click yesterday to make mire sense of numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomj View Post
    You are correct. I and my girl friend know many people that were at the protest. It was calm and peaceful. There were no blocked ambulances or fire trucks. Just tens of thousands of people worried about loosing everything they have. We must carry on. The media would have you believe the virus is a death sentence. And that is just not true. It breaks my heart to see businesses loose everything. I still have work. Could use more. I am blessed. I am keeping as normal life as Nitwit-mer will allow.

    Thom J
    Yet the national media is portraying it more or less as "Trump supporting conspiracy theorists block roads in political rally against Governor Whitmer's public safety order".

    The slogan "We're all in this together" is a lie. The truth is that millions of Americans are being held hostage by politicians using a crisis to further a radical left agenda. The politicians get paid. The newscasters get paid. The "essential workers" get paid. The work at home people get paid. Millions of ordinary people who can not work from home and have been declared "non-essential" are watching their economic prospects get worse with each passing day of stay-at-home, and are being told to settle for "relief payments" that will be insufficient to pay for rent, mortgage, and car payments. They are being told they must adapt to "the new normal" and expect PERMANENT restriction to their lives, or at least "until a vaccine is developed".

    Substitute "Useless Eaters" for "non-essential" and the elitism behind these orders becomes clear. Those who want to restructure America according to their socialist dreams are using this virus as an excuse to push for guaranteed minimum income, Medicare for all, censorship, and the un-American idea that government "permission" is required to work, to associate with others and even to attend church.

    This is the greatest assault on the Constitution in the history of our country and already the public is being conditioned to accept extending restrictions for months or longer.

    Is it any wonder then that freedom-loving patriots are using their right to protest against these monstrous measures imposed in the name of public safety? If the power grabbers get away with it this is just the first of many "emergencies" that will be used to suspend civil rights and the impositions will become more draconian with each new "crisis".

    At this point I suspect that most of those workers and business owners being destroyed financially would willingly risk serious illness and even death vs the certain death of their economic viability and personal liberty if these measures are allowed to continue at the whim of "leaders".


    Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty”——“or give me death!
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