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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Wow, that is nuts. Does that number include shotguns and other?
    How many are "shooters"?
    The wife wants a handgun and a CPL because of the fear she sees on social media.
    I keep saying no and she gets mad at me. She has never pulled a trigger on even a 22 rifle in her life but wants a big bang short pistol to carry.
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    I have been in a couple of shops when this new crop of gun owners come in.
    They want a gun- NOW!

    They have no ideal that what they really need is to learn how to shoot a gun.
    I tell them to get a .22 pistol first and learn how to shoot.
    Most have no time for it..

    Trades guys have it’s easy- anyone who has spent their whole life using tools gets up to speed fast.
    These folks who can’t run a screwdriver...

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    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    I'm so sick of ammo shortages. I just want some rounds for the kids and I to plink/target shoot/clays. Might end up canceling this year's prairie dog shoot. This time 'round is nothing like a few years back when Barry was in office. It's like the perfect storm. Ammo manufacturers got behind due to the Chicom Plague, then add in the idiototic BLM protests, and now the bumbling dope and his commie sidekick taking office this week. And then we got morons hoardin' like it's toilet paper. Sheesh..............just needed to rant a bit..........................
    Quote Originally Posted by Gobo View Post
    Touchy touchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    I have been in a couple of shops when this new crop of gun owners come in.
    They want a gun- NOW!

    They have no ideal that what they really need is to learn how to shoot a gun.
    I tell them to get a .22 pistol first and learn how to shoot.
    Most have no time for it..

    Trades guys have it’s easy- anyone who has spent their whole life using tools gets up to speed fast.
    These folks who can’t run a screwdriver...


    The whole progression of learning on a .22 and then moving forward passed long long ago.

    And....many first time handgun buyers I know purchase the handgun and since concealed carry will probably be a consideration enroll in a class and in many cases book range time with an instructor. Also there is a consideration legal and financial liability that needs to be considered.

    Of course a firearm purchase is clouded by the current reality of "how 'ya gonna shoot if you can't find ammo"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by standardparts View Post
    Oh let's see....a 20 round box for each sale.....
    The article I read estimated at least 2-50rnd boxes with most new prurchases...................that's 700 million rounds alone..................and when these new guys get the shootin' bug.............they buy lots more ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    The article I read estimated at least 2-50rnd boxes with most new prurchases...................that's 700 million rounds alone..................and when these new guys get the shootin' bug.............they buy lots more ammo.
    Right now any vendor with say 100 cases of 1,000 rounds per case of a popular caliber would see that, if quantity was not restricted, sell out online in minutes.

    If a person has ties to any portion of the industry it must be a very lucrative time. Lots of machines, raw material to keep things going. The logistics have o be staggering.

    Ever consider spinning bullets and cases on your CNC's? At some price point it's been done in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    During WW2, the total small arms ammo production was 47 billion rounds for about 5 years. A tad under 10 billion rounds a year. That included smaller crew served weapons, but I am not sure if it included .50 caliber machine gun rounds. But my guess is that it did.

    Current US production (not including imports) is around 10 billion rounds a year, and has been for some time now.
    Quote from a book printed by Chrysler regarding war production....

    “Charley, in war you can’t say no. If they want 12,500,000 rounds a day, we’ll have to give it to them somehow.”

    "Bullets By The Billions"

    Bullets by the Billions: Chrysler Switches World War II Production from Cars to Cartridges | Defense Media Network

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    I have been in a couple of shops when this new crop of gun owners come in.
    They want a gun- NOW!

    They have no ideal that what they really need is to learn how to shoot a gun.
    I tell them to get a .22 pistol first and learn how to shoot.
    Most have no time for it..
    The new breed of gun owners are the reason at least two friends who are gunsmiths don't do any gunsmithing any more.

    One specialised in 1911's. Then he was asked to work on AR15 and other assorted assault rifles. He said the drooling, tattoed, knuckle dragging new type gun owners put him off doing any more work for people.

    The final straw was somebody asking whether he could make an assault rifle fully auto. That was enough for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post

    Said one of his long time clients has been buying a single box of 30-06 each year for decades- this year he came in and needs lots more.
    He was pretty blunt- it was making it harder for him to keep stock for everyone.
    The local places here RifleGear,Turners,Ammo bros are limiting most calibers to two boxes of ammo per sale.

    Rettings in Santa Monica are only selling ammo in conjunction with a gun sale, and then it's only two boxes. No walk ins for ammo anymore.

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    Moral of the story is be like a Boy Scout and prepare. The time to buy ammunition is BEFORE hoarding/panic buying, not once it begins.

    A friend tells me his local club that sells the ammo folks use for trap shooting on their ranges just announced a 2 box per day limit for members and a 1 box limit for guests.

    In spite of what I said about being prepared I discovered I was out of small pistol primers but fortunately I can use small rifle with some load adjustment since these are magnum loads.

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    I have seen Mr. Vanderbrink do his whiney plea for patience. I know that nearly every gun owner is in the market for more ammo. My question: Where is the current production being shipped to? Every distributor I talk to is only getting a tiny fraction of what they have on order. The dealers are asking foolish prices for every box they can get, and getting it. Components, like bullets and cases, forget primers, are not available. So who are the buyers that are getting the product of the ammunition factories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by standardparts View Post
    Right now any vendor with say 100 cases of 1,000 rounds per case of a popular caliber would see that, if quantity was not restricted, sell out online in minutes.

    If a person has ties to any portion of the industry it must be a very lucrative time. Lots of machines, raw material to keep things going. The logistics have o be staggering.

    Ever consider spinning bullets and cases on your CNC's? At some price point it's been done in the past.
    I remember reading some time ago about trying to make cases for "extinct" cartridges by turning them from solids. The problem is that the cases are very weak comparatively speaking and often rupture because they do not work harden like drawn cup cases do. Turned solid bullets are fairly common for high accuracy stuff, but still can't hold a candle to the kind of output achieved via traditional stamping. There is also some risk copper/bronze/brass solids are deemed armor piercing buy one of the many alphabet agencies, which could land you in some hot water.

    Sounds like an awfully high risk line of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by david n View Post
    7 million new gun owners this year didn't help (but it's pretty cool to see that many new shooters)..............
    If you look at the NICS checks stats, there were 39,695,000 firearms sales in 2020. That's over double in 10 years (14,409,000 in 2010).

    Four of the five highest months for NICS checks took place in the last 7 months of 2020. I don't know how many of those were new gun owners, but 7 million is probably a realistic amount.

    For those unfamiliar, if you purchase a new firearm from a dealer, you must undergo a NICS check (unless you have a concealed carry permit).

    So if every one of those 39 million gun purchases in 2020 purchased 100 rounds of ammo, that's 3.9 billion rounds of ammo just for firearms purchased new in 2020. That does not include ammo sold to existing firearms owners.

    Considering both Covid, the riots earlier in the year and the "defund the police" movements, there has been a newfound realization for a lot of Americans that they are the ones primarily responsible for their own safety, and that when seconds count - the police are only minutes away.

    Hopefully the plethora of new gun owners - many of whom vote Democratic - will influence their party to back off from some of their goofy "gun safety" proposals.

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    I see a post like this from time to time. Although I have always kept a supply on hand and am not affected by these shortages, it always gets me wondering... How bad is it REALY? A VERY brief search turned up .22lr 300BLK and 40 S&W AVAILABLE on line. I didn't look any further. I also know a local shop that has .223 and 9mm as of Saturday. The prices are STUPID high but ammo IS available to anyone who spends a FEW minutes looking... I mean ACTUALLY looking. Back in October, I picked up 300BLK for $0.30/round. Today it's $1.40/round.

    This gets me to the bigger points:

    1.) Just as happened the last time, people would rather complain than do anything. Literally, it took me seconds to find each of the cartridges above. I spent LESS THEN 2 MINUTES! But if you can't walk into Walmart or Bass Pro, clearly it's not available anywhere.

    2.) This is not the first time this has happened. So what we have is people doing the same thing now they did 10 - 12 years ago and expecting different results. There's a word for this...

    3.) Most people have the memory of a goldfish! None of this is new. It happened before and it WILL happen again!!! When people stop fighting over the limited supply that does exist I will be restocking my supply. But NOT at $1.00+/round!!! Remember stripped AR lowers at $200 each IF you could find them??? I do! The smart ones here do! And we're not far from that now. I bought a few when the prices came back down. Still have some... They sit right next to my supply of ammo I put up after the prices fell back to normal!

    Stop whining and look! ANYTHING you need or WANT is available. Maybe not at the price you want to pay. But it is available! And frankly not having a supply of necessary goods on hand is what drives the prices up. Putting up 10,000 rounds of .22lr between 2016-2018 wouldn't move the price a penny! But trying to buy it now does! But that's what happens when you don't look to the past to inform you of the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    The new breed of gun owners are the reason at least two friends who are gunsmiths don't do any gunsmithing any more.

    One specialised in 1911's. Then he was asked to work on AR15 and other assorted assault rifles. He said the drooling, tattoed, knuckle dragging new type gun owners put him off doing any more work for people.

    The final straw was somebody asking whether he could make an assault rifle fully auto. That was enough for him.
    Any gunsmith who is properly licensed and is capable of custom work on most popular handguns probably does not even have the shop open for walk-ins. Most have long lead times. Your post has flaws that are hard to accept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norb View Post
    After this corrupt idiot takes the oath of office both ammo and American jobs will disappear.
    I was gonna say something snarky however I will refrain. Why do you think he is corrupt. I really don't see that. Will his policies be different than the previous administration, sure. I think the man truly cares about America.
    Good
    Hodge

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIBill View Post
    I see a post like this from time to time. Although I have always kept a supply on hand and am not affected by these shortages, it always gets me wondering... How bad is it REALY? A VERY brief search turned up .22lr 300BLK and 40 S&W AVAILABLE on line. I didn't look any further.
    I checked five outfits that sell ammo online yesterday. Nobody had 22LR or 9mm Luger.

    The only people who do have ammo availible are those asking ridiculous prices. So it's no surprise they have stock

    You can get 22LR on Gunbroker.com, but the cpr is getting ridiculous.

    Of the people you checked who had ammo availible?

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    Maybe it's different in Mi but here Guns are also unobtanium. If you look at RifleGear/Basspro/Turners/Ammobros I bet there's no more than a handfull of guns availible.

    The only gunshop around here that seems to be able to get a ready supply of guns is Rettings in Santa Monica

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    I checked five outfits that sell ammo online yesterday. Nobody had 22LR or 9mm Luger.

    The only people who do have ammo availible are those asking ridiculous prices. So it's no surprise they have stock

    You can get 22LR on Gunbroker.com, but the cpr is getting ridiculous.

    Of the people you checked who had ammo availible?

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    Maybe it's different in Mi but here Guns are also unobtanium. If you look at RifleGear/Basspro/Turners/Ammobros I bet there's no more than a handfull of guns availible.

    The only gunshop around here that seems to be able to get a ready supply of guns is Rettings in Santa Monica
    Kinda wonderin' where he's coming up with all this ammo in stock? My usual sites are all out of almost everything..............and a quick search comes up with nadda on any caliber I want.........243 22-250 308 17HMR 17WSM etc.....................and if ya find a particular item, it's a freak grain weight, freak mfgr, or 2-3X the normal price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hodge View Post
    I was gonna say something snarky however I will refrain. Why do you think he is corrupt. I really don't see that. Will his policies be different than the previous administration, sure. I think the man truly cares about America.
    Good
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    It's a gunsmitithing forum,,,,,so I'm guessing the new President would not do anything to comprise the 2nd Amendment.

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    This is one of the reasons I reload,
    That and the state law makes buying online a real pain in the ass

    Obama was good for the gun biz.
    Sales were way up.

    9mm has been harder to get for quite some time you can blame some of that on
    The popularity of action pistol competitions, and pistol caliber carbines.
    You burn 300 plus rounds a match.

    Right now I can’t find a barrel blank for my 223wild ar build at a reasonable price.
    The guns that have been sitting in the safe untouched for 4 years will be going up for sale
    Soon at inflated prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triumph406 View Post
    I checked five outfits that sell ammo online yesterday. Nobody had 22LR or 9mm Luger.

    The only people who do have ammo availible are those asking ridiculous prices. So it's no surprise they have stock

    You can get 22LR on Gunbroker.com, but the cpr is getting ridiculous.

    Of the people you checked who had ammo availible?

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    Maybe it's different in Mi but here Guns are also unobtanium. If you look at RifleGear/Basspro/Turners/Ammobros I bet there's no more than a handfull of guns availible.

    The only gunshop around here that seems to be able to get a ready supply of guns is Rettings in Santa Monica
    Last time ammo got scarce I was able to find 22lr in 1500 pc buckets. Now admittedly it was 100 bucks at Dick's but still available.

    Hodge

    Actually I think it was 1400 or 1440 PC's don't quite remember
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