Instead of 3D printed guns they've just discovered.... US!

Large Scale Illegal Gun Factory Found in UK

Let's hope that they don't have an epiphany and realize that 3D printing was a red herring and turn to demonizing us.

FWIW

-Ron

MetalCarnage said:

Large Scale Illegal Gun Factory Found in UK

Let's hope that they don't have an epiphany and realize that 3D printing was a red herring and turn to demonizing us.

FWIW

-Ron

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Read the article. They already have.

This is "not nice", but.. a rifle, pistol, even a shotgun is a "precision" range-weapon.
A device used to select one target at a time. Chances of taking down the perp at least "exist" as soon as they are put to use - or even just displayed.

I'd worry a great deal more if it were a factory for making "all inclusive" target-indiscriminate bad-stuff - such as mass-destruction IED's, vehicle-borne especially - or sewercide vests.

Those are not noted for giving any useful warning, being at all "selective", nor for being "interruptible" processes, once touched off.

Meanwhile - be grateful these arschloken were not into making RPG's, stens, flammenwerfer, rockets, nor four-deuce mortars.

35 miles and half hour down the road from me. Interesting to discover we still actually have police in this neck of the woods. Haven't seen a police person in flesh, or car, for nigh on a year now.

I know expecting intelligent commentary from reporters is optimistic but 30 weapons isn't large scale. Few days work to set-up and go with any sort of sensible shop equipment. Interact and Triumph 2000 in the picture are just so cutting edge. Not.

Making serviceable guns got easy about when the Sten was designed. Not that you'd catch me anywhere near either end or side of that particular horror. But the AK47 got cheap'n effective sorted. I'd guess pretty much everyone on here could do an adequately functional one if they had to. Not exponentially harder to make and generally squaddie proof. Although endemic barrel climb makes it more a shotgun than proper aimed weapon. 15 lb of lead on the snout would probably help.

Ammunition, not the weapon is the real issue. Cases are a lot more demanding to make than the unknowing think and propellant involves chemistry which, according to A.J.K.Setright, is "A foul and noxious business with which no true gentleman would concern himself.".

Clive

Clive603 said:

Ammunition, not the weapon is the real issue. Cases are a lot more demanding to make than the unknowing think and propellant involves chemistry which, according to A.J.K.Setright, is "A foul and noxious business with which no true gentleman would concern himself.".

Clive

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Actually, the propellant isn't what's hard. Getting reliable PRIMERS made is what is hard- both the chemistry AND the metalwork.

Deep-drawing cases is a whole 'nuther issue as well, yes.

Knock it off. I haven't posted any ways to restrict guns because one of these nutcases may be able to figure out how to do a Google and turn up a discussion like this and learn from it.

BTW, I made a functional .22 pistol from an old Ford axle when I was 13, having only a 9" Logan lathe. A crude piece of artillery but at close range it would kill you just as dead as a Hammerli or my Browning Medalist.

Bill

At the time of the handgun ban in the UK back in the 1990's, Toady Blair did actually consider restricting ownership of machine tools, in case people made firearms at home. A senior civil servant pointed out it was unworkable, unfair and probably nigh on impossible to implement.

But it does go to show the mindset of the ban-everything-brigade.

Way back in 1996, the Northern Regional Crime Squad used the old armoury at the barracks I was stationed at to store a bunch of weapons confiscated in a raid on an illegal weapons factory in Northern England. I was asked to assist them with getting in and out of the place as the steel door had a tendency to stick until I took a 9" angle grinder to it. The coppers allowed me to take a look at the weapons they had and were amazed when I knew what 95% of them were as they literally had no idea about make, model or caliber. Ended up getting accepted as an expert witness for the trial but before I could testify, the guy plead guilty.

He was the owner of a full scale machine shop with CNC as well as manual machines. Unfortunately, he developed an addiction to illegal drugs and some nefarious types purchased deactivated Uzi's from a local gun shop then challenged him to re-activate them which he did. I was told about 30 of them actually made it into circulation before the guy was arrested. The coppers were tipped off by the owners of the gun shop who thought it was unusual for them to sell so many deactivated sub guns to one person. Thing is, he had enough machinery and know how to make sub guns from scratch rather than re-machining deactivated weapons. The things people do for dope.

The firearms business is very small in the UK and I knew the owners of the gun shop too, bought many guns from them until I moved to the US in 2005. One of them ended up arrested at the SHOT show a few years back for conspiring to illegally import banned Chinese AK drum mags into the US. Life is strange at times...

Nothing new really, the search warrant for the Waco compound specifically mentions milling machines and lathes.

Don't forget about Finger Guns and cap guns.

My grandson (2 years ago when he was 7) got suspended for 5 days out of school because he was playing cops and robbers on the playground during recess and was using his finger gun and making gun noises. Back when I was a kid we could take our cap guns we got for Christmas and show and tell them. Now a days I would be locked up. Maybe will for just talking about it. sheeesshhhh what has happened to the USA?

With the demise of the evil empire, the teaching industry reverted to their natural state as socialists and have inculcated the young generations with that dogma.

Clive603 said:

35 miles and half hour down the road from me. Interesting to discover we still actually have police in this neck of the woods. Haven't seen a police person in flesh, or car, for nigh on a year now.

I know expecting intelligent commentary from reporters is optimistic but 30 weapons isn't large scale. Few days work to set-up and go with any sort of sensible shop equipment. Interact and Triumph 2000 in the picture are just so cutting edge. Not.

Making serviceable guns got easy about when the Sten was designed. Not that you'd catch me anywhere near either end or side of that particular horror. But the AK47 got cheap'n effective sorted. I'd guess pretty much everyone on here could do an adequately functional one if they had to. Not exponentially harder to make and generally squaddie proof. Although endemic barrel climb makes it more a shotgun than proper aimed weapon. 15 lb of lead on the snout would probably help.

Ammunition, not the weapon is the real issue. Cases are a lot more demanding to make than the unknowing think and propellant involves chemistry which, according to A.J.K.Setright, is "A foul and noxious business with which no true gentleman would concern himself.".

Clive

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At least get Leonard John Kensell Setright's name correctly.

Making guns in the UK is nothing new though

Weapons as Political Protest: P.A. Luty's Submachine Gun - YouTube

Richard King said:

Don't forget about Finger Guns and cap guns.

My grandson (2 years ago when he was 7) got suspended for 5 days out of school because he was playing cops and robbers on the playground during recess and was using his finger gun and making gun noises. Back when I was a kid we could take our cap guns we got for Christmas and show and tell them. Now a days I would be locked up. Maybe will for just talking about it. sheeesshhhh what has happened to the USA?

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That is just plain weird. When I was in high school, we had a rifle club and the local police let us use their range. One of my memories from then is about a girl who didn't have a rifle of her own so she used mine. It was a single shot so I made a cartridge belt to avoid fishing in a pocket for a reload. One day she wondered how it would fit her and put it on, so there we were standing in the hall with Emily wearing a belt full of cartridges and me holding a rifle. No one even looked. Now we would be crucified.

I read about an Englishman who said there was no reason for a knife to have a point. I carried a knife all through school and still do, now a Swiss army knife, and use it every day. Often I will be in the shop with tools across the room but use the knife to tighten a screw, clean my finger nails, strip wires, open oil cans, or anything else that comes along. Removing the points from the two knife blades would seriously damage its utility.

A grade school science teacher told me that she couldn't actually perform many experiments but had to do simulations. They are afraid the little dears may harm themselves. I have a hot flash for the school management- some day those little dears will be out in the big bad world like the places we inhabit where you are surrounded with things that can hurt you. The best way to avoid injuries is to teach people how to live with those dangerous machines.

Bill

The education industry for the last thirty years has been about propagandizing the young about socialism. It has nothing to do about preparing them for the real world.

Love the idea that the CNC Bridgeport came over on lease lend ,from the comments.

When my son was in science class in the 90's he came home saying dad we have to make a Potato shooter the 10 TH grade teacher showed them one in class that day. I called the school and spoke to that teacher and he said it was different, between a rifle then a potato gun as he was teaching them about combustion of gases. Hell my son made one that would shot a tin can of corn a 1/2 mile like a mortar. He made it out of 6" sewer pipe and used white gas and when I went to BBQ a steak I discovered my electric sparker was gone and found it hooked up to the innocent science project in the back yard.

Richard King said:

When my son was in science class in the 90's he came home saying dad we have to make a Potato shooter the 10 TH grade teacher showed them one in class that day. I called the school and spoke to that teacher and he said it was different, between a rifle then a potato gun as he was teaching them about combustion of gases. Hell my son made one that would shot a tin can of corn a 1/2 mile like a mortar. He made it out of 6" sewer pipe and used white gas and when I went to BBQ a steak I discovered my electric sparker was gone and found it hooked up to the innocent science project in the back yard.

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ROFL! That sewer pipe was risky, Rich. If you had seen to it he had more college level metallurgy texts as a youngster, he'd have known to scavenge a school-bus drive shaft for the more shatter-resistant steel and retention of one U-joint for ease of aiming off the baseplate. DAMHIKT, but it got my AC Gilbert chem lab kit confiscated.

Dad had deemed it safe enough. There was no concentrated Nitric acid . I had to build my own process to derive enough to make TNP, TNN, and TNT when black powder and gelignite proved boring.

Kids are supposed to push the limits beyond their parents, each generation.

Their ears begin growing shut as they approach puberty. A defensive mechanism, so they may grow stupid more slowly. Just ask them. You'll have to send the query as a text message, of course.

Why, we once had a sign on the kitchen bulletin board:

Teenagers! Leave home now and rule the world!

While you still know everything!

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