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    I stumbled across Raico's writings quite recently and I was truly amazed at his perception and publishing efforts.

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    Default Luty's "Disappearance" a crime against humanity?

    Here's a link to the UNHCR international convention against enforced disappearance
    International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance

    Preamble

    The States Parties to this Convention,

    Considering the obligation of States under the Charter of the United Nations to promote universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms,

    Having regard to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,

    Recalling the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the other relevant international instruments in the fields of human rights, humanitarian law and international criminal law,

    Also recalling the Declaration on the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its resolution 47/133 of 18 December 1992 ,

    Aware of the extreme seriousness of enforced disappearance, which constitutes a crime and, in certain circumstances defined in international law, a crime against humanity,

    Determined to prevent enforced disappearances and to combat impunity for the crime of enforced disappearance,

    Considering the right of any person not to be subjected to enforced disappearance, the right of victims to justice and to reparation,

    Affirming the right of any victim to know the truth about the circumstances of an enforced disappearance and the fate of the disappeared person, and the right to freedom to seek, receive and impart information to this end,

    Have agreed on the following articles:
    Are there cells in the Hague awaiting the individuals involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Haney View Post
    P.S. There is a thrust from education boards to eliminate "shop" courses in primary education that I don't understand. I try to bolster the idea we'll always need people skilled with maths and hands to support our technology dependent society, but make little traction.
    This isn't some dark, nefarious plot. This is due to the disparity in male/female enrollment in these classes (which gets bureaucrats' noses involved in the school system), coupled with the insurance requirements for having power machines in a school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinbritvec View Post
    Because of bloodlines someone is entitled to power? Nonsense. Before the enlightenment Kings claimed the blessing's and support of God as their justification for being the chosen one. Challenge that and you die! Yet we still support and tolerate this Kingdom, the same as we do in the middle east.
    "If I went around, claiming I was to be king because some water-logged tart lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd have me locked up!"

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    Shops are going away because kids aren't taking the classes, between that and funding problems there is no way a school can reasonably keep a facility with $500k worth of tools AND an instructor or two on staff for classes with 8 kids.

    I went to our local school district's auction, there had to be $5mil in tools there and an entire building...all for a dozen students.
    Hell the WOOD SHOP had an SB 10L for maintenance.

    If I had known they quit making the Uniplane I would have bought it.
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    Default Two years old today - more relevant than ever, so up to the top you go.

    As the repercussions of the latest attempts to enforce "background checks" (registration by stealth - and registration leads to confiscation - always has and always will) on private transfers of guns, continue to rumble on in the united state, and may well return in one sneaky form or another.

    it doesn't hurt to remember the person who openly demonstrated the futility of checks, registration lists and bans -

    and who was then was made to suffer (allong with his family under a British application of the National Socialist principle of Sippenhaft (Blood Guilt)) the full rage and frustration of those who deeply fear the idea of ordinary people having guns.

    Why are such people afraid?

    I don't know, but they clearly believe that they have very good reason to be very afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    Much as I appreciate Luty as a designer and machinist, I cannot condone his "crusade" for free speech through the medium of homebuilt machine guns. All it achieved was to empower those in power to stick their collective noses into even more folks business..

    I have actually held one of Luty's (siezed) weapons.. It looked good, but frankly was no work of genius, and I am not at all sure it would have been usable..

    As a UK shooter my opinion of Luty is that he was a wind up merchant, not at all interested in firearms or shooting, and saw his submachine gun projects as a vehicle for his rather extreme, almost anarchist views. I am no supporter of firearms legislation, but what Luty did was not helping, and possibly did more harm than good.

    As a direct result of Luty, there were a number of UK politicians and senior police who were seriously discussing the possiblity of banning of public ownership of metal lathes..

    A sad and misguided guy I am afraid...


    Probably because you are one of those stupid people who know nothing about guns and give a stupid opinion about something you know nothing about on the internet. Luty's gun is one of the best full auto homemade guns for people who does not accept or respect criminal laws that take away people's property without any authorization. his gun is so functional that your criminal government was talking about taking lathes from people, look to where it goes. in any serious country, this government attitude would result in a civil war or the time to people arm themselves more and more. so before talking about guns, go construct one or study and read a lot to give a stupid opinion. when you do not know shit about guns, or have a limited access to them, specially in the UK where people can only have children guns, do not talk anything unless you know what you are talking about. Many replicas have been already made to copy Luty's gun and they are much more dangerous than the ones you can have legally in the UK. see the video of the funny australian police shooting luty's gun for testing.

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    Go and study ! maybe you will not say shit anymore!

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    Talk about enforced disappearance. Assange is a prime example of what the US is doing to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    Much as I appreciate Luty as a designer and machinist, I cannot condone his "crusade" for free speech through the medium of homebuilt machine guns. All it achieved was to empower those in power to stick their collective noses into even more folks business..

    I have actually held one of Luty's (siezed) weapons.. It looked good, but frankly was no work of genius, and I am not at all sure it would have been usable..

    As a UK shooter my opinion of Luty is that he was a wind up merchant, not at all interested in firearms or shooting, and saw his submachine gun projects as a vehicle for his rather extreme, almost anarchist views. I am no supporter of firearms legislation, but what Luty did was not helping, and possibly did more harm than good.

    As a direct result of Luty, there were a number of UK politicians and senior police who were seriously discussing the possiblity of banning of public ownership of metal lathes..

    A sad and misguided guy I am afraid...


    Have you ever run across Jon Hammond? He is a UK shooter from Scotland.

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    "Without Phil Luty's example, arguments that a working submachinegun can be produced in around a week by virtually anyone with the inclination, were just supposition, they carried zero weight."

    That may be, though I was in the resistance museum in Coppenhagen in the 70s and there was a diorama of a shop in which they made Sten guns for the resistance. It was pretty simple, maybe the size of a small bathroom, they had a muffler sized silencer made of wood and tar paper to test them in the shop.

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    While some may consider Mr. Luty's opinions and beliefs out there,he stood up for them to the point of incarceration. From what I read he did not compromise those beliefs even to fool the parole board and get a break in his sentence. As for the increase in shop classes being dropped from school curriculum, a lot of it is due in part to the schools administration shunting everyone into a college prep program on the misguided belief that everyone should have a college education to be successful. Not everyone is cut out to go to college and it is unfortunate that the system does not always allow for needed alternative training in the trades. Somehow I find the notion that a person who is a skilled craftsman,making a good wage,providing an essential service to the community, is not successful, somewhat ridiculous Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpacca Fortyfive View Post
    Why are such people afraid?

    I don't know, but they clearly believe that they have very good reason to be very afraid.
    The alternative.

    mass-murderers-agree-gun-control-works-fact-56-million-people-murdered-30919829.jpg

    (be sure to read the small print)

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    there were a number of UK politicians and senior police who were seriously discussing the possibility of banning of public ownership of metal lathes..
    I wonder how far they could carry such an ideology, throw anyone in jail for digging anywhere that has iron ore? working in a scrap yard? as stated Luty's design was for hand tools, so jail for possession of a hack saw? The ultimate, knowing which direction to turn a screwdriver, ten years in the pen. No trial necessary.

    I'm so proud of my current employee who came here knowing nothing at all about tools 6 years ago and now teaches machining in Community College. He's my answer to my high school closing down the metals shop classroom. I feel great personal justification in teaching him, and many others over the years. And as bad as it's been getting, I'm still so glad to have been blessed to be born in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rons View Post
    The alternative.

    mass-murderers-agree-gun-control-works-fact-56-million-people-murdered-30919829.jpg

    (be sure to read the small print)
    Never forgive, never forget.

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    People say stupid stuff to you when they advent your image as a monetary consumptive that way... It can change how you feel about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guibshshsh View Post
    Probably because you are one of those stupid people who know nothing about guns and give a stupid opinion about something you know nothing about on the internet. Luty's gun is one of the best full auto homemade guns for people who does not accept or respect criminal laws that take away people's property without any authorization. his gun is so functional that your criminal government was talking about taking lathes from people, look to where it goes. in any serious country, this government attitude would result in a civil war or the time to people arm themselves more and more. so before talking about guns, go construct one or study and read a lot to give a stupid opinion. when you do not know shit about guns, or have a limited access to them, specially in the UK where people can only have children guns, do not talk anything unless you know what you are talking about. Many replicas have been already made to copy Luty's gun and they are much more dangerous than the ones you can have legally in the UK. see the video of the funny australian police shooting luty's gun for testing.

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    Go and study ! maybe you will not say shit anymore!
    I know plenty of people in the uk who have guns that are not childrens guns by any stretch of the imagination. Unless .338 lapua's and .50bmg bolt action rifles are for kids now. In northern Ireland, which is part of the UK there are many thousands of personal protection pistols carried everyday legally, and practical pistol is a major sport there. If you have game shooting or shoot clays there is no problem getting a shotgun cert, shoot practical shotgun, cowboy action shooting, blackpowder pistol, classic military rifle shooting. Shooting in the UK is a growing sport, so if the powers that be are trying to kill it off, they are not doing a very good job.

    The whole thing about metal lathes being banned was blown out of proportion, yes some idiot did say to Tony Blair, warmonger in chief and PM of the UK, that lathes could be used to make guns and should be banned or licenced in the aftermath of Dunblane, but it was never taken as a serious proposal as it would be impossible to enforce.


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