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    Default Remington Elliot Ring Trigger Derringer 5 Shot

    An old friend shows up with this sweet little
    fella and asks if I can make a spring. Sure says
    me, what does it look like? Well I'm not sure
    says he, in fact I really don't know. Maybe you
    could figure it out and make something that works,
    after all you machinist guys can work magic right?
    Okay see ya latter. Anybody here got a clue about
    these? The firing pin is supposed to rotate after
    each shot but it does not. Looks like most of the
    parts are there and it does shoot one round.
    Had it apart, nothing appears broken so I thinks
    something is missing. Any advice would be greatly
    appreciated.
    spaeth

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    Where are the photos?

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    There suppose to be a advance paw and paw spring, are they there?

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    https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../US33382-0.png

    You can look up earlier patent...

    Just type Patent and the date into Google, to find full patent info...

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    Not sure of correct names of all the parts but if the
    paw and paw spring are what I'm thinking they are it
    would be the spring that is missing. Looking at the
    rotating part (paw) there is nothing to make it turn
    (paw spring). Can you give me info on what the paw
    spring looks like? Sorry no pics yet maybe I can get
    to that in a bit. Thanks for the patent pics.
    spaeth

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    I think he means pawl.

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    Photo's of the Remington Elliot Ring Trigger Derringer
    The grips are removed and maybe the upside down pic
    has a clue as to the missing part. There is a small
    slot visible on that side and that is where the pawl
    looks like something (pawl spring) could attach to
    rotate the firing pin. Yes? No?
    spaeth

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    The patents should describe the workings, a bit better than the pictures alone.

    On oddballs like this, it is often fastest to find another... Which is complete, to compare..

    Production changes make things even more interesting..

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    After two months +, several hours searching the net and
    talking to several gunsmiths I came up with a parts
    list and diagram for this derringer. Then the fun
    started. One very experienced Smith said "Should be
    easy enough to make the missing parts, Plan on making
    them over 3-4 times and you'll be fine". Proved to be
    true. 3 parts were missing one being only a flat spring
    (#17). The other two being #12 and #16 would have been
    cake had there been dimensions. 4 tries on the #12 part
    yielded the one shown in the pic and the #16 part only
    needed a lot of careful filing and fitting. I'll bet I
    put this thing together 50 times. Needless to say this
    was not a profitable adventure. Satisfying though to have
    restored a 128+ year old firearm to working order. The
    owner is going to make his own grips and I'll enjoy the
    steak dinner.
    spaeth
    dscn2010.jpgdscn2008.jpgdscn1959.jpgdscn1960.jpgdscn1961.jpg

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    Very cool that you were able to find the info and get it back together. I'd be proud to have a unique little derringer like that. Could I ask where you did find the information on this gun? What publication is that in your first picture?

    Thanks,

    -Ron

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    Ron,
    I'm not sure of the exact path that took me to the
    site that had that info. I was sorta stumbling around
    the net and came across an article that had a link to it.
    The post was from Dec. 2008. The page that opened before
    my eyes was just what I needed. A archived article from
    American Rifleman Magazine featured the Remington-Elliot
    Repeaters. Two pages with History, Pictures, Parts List,
    Part Names and Assembly Instructions. The article was
    written by John Karns, thank You John where ever you are.
    Not sure when it was published. I do not own the little
    guy but did get to shoot it. It is 22 cal. 5 shot.
    spaeth

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    Thanks Spaeth. I was kind of hoping it was in a book of rare/odd firearms (or something along those lines) that would have references to other oddities but, oh well. Congrats on being able to track this one down.

    Nice work by the way,

    -Ron

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    not seeing a traditional hammer set up is that a very early double action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 72bwhite View Post
    not seeing a traditional hammer set up is that a very early double action?
    According to the info this design was introduced in
    1863 and continued until 1888 with production of
    about 25000 pieces. Two calipers offered .22 and .32,
    this one is Serial No.9599 (.22 Cal) The Hammer and
    firing mechanism is all internal. As the ring trigger
    is pulled back the pawl indexes the ratchet to align
    the firing pin to the next bore. At the same time
    the hammer is being cocked. Trigger trips at the end
    of the ring stroke, hammer under spring tension
    strikes the firing pin. As the ring returns the pawl
    readies to index the firing pin for the next shot.
    Not sure when double action pistols first showed up
    but I think this is a pretty early design.
    spaeth

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaeth View Post
    After two months +, several hours searching the net and
    talking to several gunsmiths I came up with a parts
    list and diagram for this derringer. Then the fun
    started. One very experienced Smith said "Should be
    easy enough to make the missing parts, Plan on making
    them over 3-4 times and you'll be fine". Proved to be
    true. 3 parts were missing one being only a flat spring
    (#17). The other two being #12 and #16 would have been
    cake had there been dimensions. 4 tries on the #12 part
    yielded the one shown in the pic and the #16 part only
    needed a lot of careful filing and fitting. I'll bet I
    put this thing together 50 times. Needless to say this
    was not a profitable adventure. Satisfying though to have
    restored a 128+ year old firearm to working order. The
    owner is going to make his own grips and I'll enjoy the
    steak dinner.
    spaeth
    dscn2010.jpgdscn2008.jpgdscn1959.jpgdscn1960.jpgdscn1961.jpg

    Did you measure the final dimensions of the pawl and spring you made? I need to fabricate these parts. Any help would be much appreciated.

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    1863, I bet a few were on the battlefields of the civil war. I wonder though how reliable ignition was with those early rimfire cartridges.

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    spaeth. I just bought the same gun with the same issue..missing firing pin/block!!! These guns sell for $1,000-3,000. I bought mine to display in a case with other pocket pistols for $275. Is there any way you can work your magic again???????? Reply here and or call/text me at 386-479-6263. Steve

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    Great deal Steve I thought I did well at $450.00. Enjoy!

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