Remington Elliot Ring Trigger Derringer 5 Shot

spaeth · Apr 15, 2016

An old friend shows up with this sweet little
fella and asks if I can make a spring. Sure says
me, what does it look like? Well I'm not sure
says he, in fact I really don't know. Maybe you
could figure it out and make something that works,
after all you machinist guys can work magic right?
Okay see ya latter. Anybody here got a clue about
these? The firing pin is supposed to rotate after
each shot but it does not. Looks like most of the
parts are there and it does shoot one round.
Had it apart, nothing appears broken so I thinks
something is missing. Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.
spaeth

moonlight machine · Apr 15, 2016

Where are the photos?

paracongo308 · Apr 15, 2016

There suppose to be a advance paw and paw spring, are they there?

abarnsley · Apr 15, 2016

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US33382-0.png

You can look up earlier patent...

Just type Patent and the date into Google, to find full patent info...

spaeth · Apr 16, 2016

Not sure of correct names of all the parts but if the
paw and paw spring are what I'm thinking they are it
would be the spring that is missing. Looking at the
rotating part (paw) there is nothing to make it turn
(paw spring). Can you give me info on what the paw
spring looks like? Sorry no pics yet maybe I can get
to that in a bit. Thanks for the patent pics.
spaeth

Ray Behner · Apr 16, 2016

I think he means pawl.

spaeth · Apr 16, 2016

Photo's of the Remington Elliot Ring Trigger Derringer
The grips are removed and maybe the upside down pic
has a clue as to the missing part. There is a small
slot visible on that side and that is where the pawl
looks like something (pawl spring) could attach to
rotate the firing pin. Yes? No?
spaeth

abarnsley · Apr 24, 2016

The patents should describe the workings, a bit better than the pictures alone.

On oddballs like this, it is often fastest to find another... Which is complete, to compare..

Production changes make things even more interesting..

spaeth · Jun 23, 2016

After two months +, several hours searching the net and
talking to several gunsmiths I came up with a parts
list and diagram for this derringer. Then the fun
started. One very experienced Smith said "Should be
easy enough to make the missing parts, Plan on making
them over 3-4 times and you'll be fine". Proved to be
true. 3 parts were missing one being only a flat spring
(#17). The other two being #12 and #16 would have been
cake had there been dimensions. 4 tries on the #12 part
yielded the one shown in the pic and the #16 part only
needed a lot of careful filing and fitting. I'll bet I
put this thing together 50 times. Needless to say this
was not a profitable adventure. Satisfying though to have
restored a 128+ year old firearm to working order. The
owner is going to make his own grips and I'll enjoy the
steak dinner.
spaeth

MetalCarnage · Jun 23, 2016

Very cool that you were able to find the info and get it back together. I'd be proud to have a unique little derringer like that. Could I ask where you did find the information on this gun? What publication is that in your first picture?

Thanks,

-Ron

spaeth · Jun 23, 2016

Ron,
I'm not sure of the exact path that took me to the
site that had that info. I was sorta stumbling around
the net and came across an article that had a link to it.
The post was from Dec. 2008. The page that opened before
my eyes was just what I needed. A archived article from
American Rifleman Magazine featured the Remington-Elliot
Repeaters. Two pages with History, Pictures, Parts List,
Part Names and Assembly Instructions. The article was
written by John Karns, thank You John where ever you are.
Not sure when it was published. I do not own the little
guy but did get to shoot it. It is 22 cal. 5 shot.
spaeth

MetalCarnage · Jun 24, 2016

Thanks Spaeth. I was kind of hoping it was in a book of rare/odd firearms (or something along those lines) that would have references to other oddities but, oh well.

Congrats on being able to track this one down.

Nice work by the way,

-Ron

72bwhite · Jun 26, 2016

not seeing a traditional hammer set up is that a very early double action?

spaeth · Jun 26, 2016

72bwhite said:
not seeing a traditional hammer set up is that a very early double action?

According to the info this design was introduced in
1863 and continued until 1888 with production of
about 25000 pieces. Two calipers offered .22 and .32,
this one is Serial No.9599 (.22 Cal) The Hammer and
firing mechanism is all internal. As the ring trigger
is pulled back the pawl indexes the ratchet to align
the firing pin to the next bore. At the same time
the hammer is being cocked. Trigger trips at the end
of the ring stroke, hammer under spring tension
strikes the firing pin. As the ring returns the pawl
readies to index the firing pin for the next shot.
Not sure when double action pistols first showed up
but I think this is a pretty early design.
spaeth

lawbob · Oct 2, 2016

spaeth said:
After two months +, several hours searching the net and
talking to several gunsmiths I came up with a parts
list and diagram for this derringer. Then the fun
started. One very experienced Smith said "Should be
easy enough to make the missing parts, Plan on making
them over 3-4 times and you'll be fine". Proved to be
true. 3 parts were missing one being only a flat spring
(#17). The other two being #12 and #16 would have been
cake had there been dimensions. 4 tries on the #12 part
yielded the one shown in the pic and the #16 part only
needed a lot of careful filing and fitting. I'll bet I
put this thing together 50 times. Needless to say this
was not a profitable adventure. Satisfying though to have
restored a 128+ year old firearm to working order. The
owner is going to make his own grips and I'll enjoy the
steak dinner.
spaeth
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Did you measure the final dimensions of the pawl and spring you made? I need to fabricate these parts. Any help would be much appreciated.

partsproduction · Oct 3, 2016

1863, I bet a few were on the battlefields of the civil war. I wonder though how reliable ignition was with those early rimfire cartridges.

Florida Steve · Dec 17, 2019

spaeth. I just bought the same gun with the same issue..missing firing pin/block!!! These guns sell for $1,000-3,000. I bought mine to display in a case with other pocket pistols for $275. Is there any way you can work your magic again???????? Reply here and or call/text me at 386-479-6263. Steve

DanDelio · Dec 17, 2019

Great deal Steve I thought I did well at $450.00. Enjoy!

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