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    Lack Of Up-To-Date Research Complicates Gun Debate : It's All Politics : NPR

    It is odd to see NPR (Peoples' Republic Radio, the socialist propaganda source) talking about politics as if their daily output is not political. The best thing to happen to this country would be the defunding of NPR.

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    So long as there is even one firearm in the United States of America they will not rest.

    Not true at all. They want their people to have them and, of course, "the government." Trouble is, they cannot see past their dogma. They think they will always be the ones in power. Kinda like the socialists in Germany in the late 20's. An economic collapse caused their support to go away and their enemies took power. They had a need for arms then but did not have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGaskill View Post
    So long as there is even one firearm in the United States of America they will not rest.

    Not true at all. They want their people to have them and, of course, "the government." Trouble is, they cannot see past their dogma. They think they will always be the ones in power. Kinda like the socialists in Germany in the late 20's. An economic collapse caused their support to go away and their enemies took power. They had a need for arms then but did not have them.
    I wasn't talking about "their people" the government and other so-called authorities, which is apparently who you mean. I was talking about the real, ordinary people, the law-abiding, honest citizens who have a desire to protect themselves from criminals and from the government as promulgated in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    By that argument Nerve Gas should be legal too.
    I could have sworn that chemical weapons were banned... Did I get this wrong? NERVE GAS HAS NO LAWFUL PURPOSE!!! So no... I think we can take ownership of chemical weapons off the list of protected "arms" within the 2A.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Call your local Representatives and tell them this, right now the NRA is fighting EVERYTHING including ideas like this.
    Is this a request or an order? Sounds like your being a pushy to me. I can assure you that my Reps, State and Federal, know who I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    I still don't think this would help much without registration though, it would just be a straw man party unless there was a way to back track illegally sold weapons.
    I already addressed how well registration has worked here in Michigan. You may want to take a look that Canada's registration as well. Last I heard they were looking at dismantling there system of registration because of the cost and the fact that it had lead to only ZERO arrests! Money well spent I would think. LoL

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    I don't like this because I don't want my kid to think having armed goons on every corner is a good thing.
    I don't like the idea of mall guards everywhere.
    I see... I take nothing off the table and am willing to discuss EVERY option... But you don't LIKE the idea. YOU don't LIKE the idea so we should trample on the rights of people who have done NOTHING wrong? Very open minded of you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Again, call your reps, let them know you are a firearms enthusiast, tell them you will show up in the primaries to defend them against the militants.
    Better yet cut up your NRA card and send it and a donation to their campaign.
    I'm sorry... It sounds as if you are giving orders again... Are you really that rude or do you just have issues writing clearly?

    I haven't sent a nickle to the NRA for anything on more than 20 years! WHERE DO YOU GET OFF ASSUMING ANYTHING ABOUT ME! How dare you! You know absolutely NOTHING about me I haven't told you and I NEVER said I am a member of OR support the NRA!

    Now that we have established that you wish to bring up the absurd and NOT discuss real solutions but rather would rather trample the rights of other because YOU "DON'T LIKE" the workable, obtainable and lawful solutions, I see no point in continuing any discussion with you.

    And yet I will be the close-minded one for tolerating your lack of concern for what could work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    You do know that there are two "houses" in the UK?

    Stupid is as stupid does huh?
    Of course I do.... However, you DON"T realize how differently the UK's "houses" function from the way our "House and Senate" works. Stupid is as stupid does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Or we could have President Obama debate it, he was a con law Prof. as well.
    He also won a Nobel Peace Prize for ending a war that is still going on... Your point is what?

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    CaSSR, USA Hilarious, but sad.

    The idea that NPR can create anything even remotely objective or balanced is so fucking absurd there are no words to describe it.

    Thomas Jefferson was right!

    Quote Originally Posted by GGaskill View Post
    Lack Of Up-To-Date Research Complicates Gun Debate : It's All Politics : NPR

    It is odd to see NPR (Peoples' Republic Radio, the socialist propaganda source) talking about politics as if their daily output is not political. The best thing to happen to this country would be the defunding of NPR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davycrocket View Post
    Maschine Your Verbal diarrhea postcount has now advanced to 10 out of your total of 11 posts in
    this Practical Machinist forum. For your information I never heard any GI Joes utter such language when I encountered any when they were at a huge camp called Burtonwood near Warrington During and after WW2. They were always gentlemen and gave us Kids Gum when we said "Got any gum Chum" Perhaps you had a Grandfather who was there? You seem to have put your own words into you GI man's mouth . Or perhaps you found that picture whilst surfacing the internet on your dad's computer when he wasn't looking. We had a role model who practiced peaceful protest . His name was MR WOT. In those times of Rationing and shortages of food, he would look over the wall and say, "WOT NO EGGS !" or WOT NO BUTTER !" And never a profanity. So below is one for you. Davycrocket
    Dear Mr Crocket, Once again, I wish to thank you for your unsolicited interest in my posts. It is certainly my pleasure to provide you with reading that is of interest to you. And at this point, there can be little doubt of that - eh?

    Considering your advanced age, as evidenced by your picture and your firsthand recollections of WWII, I will no longer use saucy language in my dealings with you. However, I would like to make a few observations for you to digest...being that you think I'm so fascinatin', n' all.

    First is the matter of irony. Something I understand you Brits pride yourself on? At least the subtler aspects of it? Yes, well the irony that seems to escape you at the moment is your attempts at policing my free speech (albeit as tepid as they are). Attempting to scorn or ridicule me into silence because you don't like what I'm saying. Instead of openly discussing specifically what you don't like about what I've said based on its lack of merit, you avoid direct confrontation. As if unable to defend your views? The irony here is that shutting down speech simply because you don't like it, is what fascists do. And the fight against fascism is what WWII was all about. Remember? Also please remember, that supporting the right to free speech has nothing whatsoever to do with only supporting the right to speech you happen to agree with. The further 'ironical' aspect that seems to escape you is the fact that you are British, I am American, and European theater GI Joe connects us in some way - doesn't he?

    And yes, your instincts are correct! My grandfather did fight in WWII. He was a Sherman tank commander in Africa and Italy fighting against the fascists. They had much better Panzer tanks than his poor old Sherman. He is still alive today, although he is very old. He still has bits of Krupp steel stuck in his shoulder and neck. After a battle with the krauts in 1944, he woke up severely wounded in a farmer's pig pen in Italy. To this day he does not know what happened to his tank or his crew. My grand dad was European theater GI Joe.

    Now, whether or not my grandfather ever used language like European theater GI Joe? I don't know. I certainly never heard him say anything like that, he was always a very gentle and kind man to me. But then I doubt he would ever speak like that in front of his grand children. Did he use language like European theater GI Joe uses during the war while he was confronting Panzer tanks and German infantry? I don't know, but lets just say context is everything. Isn't it? Maybe the context that you encountered GI's had something to do with their (apparent) pleasant demeanor at that time too? Waddya think?

    But what I do know is that I will not be policed by royal subjects, or pacifists, or simple minded people who just want bad people to go away so they don't have to think about the unthinkables. And with the unique historical perspective you have, I would think that at least on some level, you would understand that. With that said, good night.

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    Can you say affirmative action?

    Let's try a scientific, intellectually honest experiment - if Obama released his college records, and those records say he was a foreign national that received tax payer funded financial aid to pay for his schooling, is he legitimately The President, and would you still vote for him knowing that, if the election were tomorrow?

    I must say in advance, I am not sure I believe you could, or would, answer that truly honestly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Well, he WAS president of the Harvard Law Review, I doubt he got that by being a slacker.
    He taught at Chicago...which ranks in the top 5 with Harvard.
    Where is this Dershowits transcript?

    As near as I can tell no president has released his transcripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Or we could have President Obama debate it, he was a con law Prof. as well.
    That is what Obama claims. He also claims to have been the editor of the Harvard law review, although his university records have been sealed and no record of any law review articles that he might have worked on are available. He is also, along with his spouse, not eligible to practice law in Illinois. He records there are also sealed. I wonder why?

    To refer to him as an expert on Constitutional law in comparison with Alan Dershowitz, is the single silliest thing that I have read on this website since I joined.

    For a man that you consider to be knowledgable in the Constitution, he certainly knows little about the three main branches of government. I say this since he persists in turning his back on Congress and literally spews out an unbroken series of Executive Orders, which are cheap alternatives to debate and proper legislation.

    It's really fun to read your stuff, though. It gives insight into the liberal thought process.

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    I am getting ready to buy a .50 cal air rifle now while there is no laws against them and no paper work or restriction in most places.
    Sam Yang Dragon Claw Air Rifle. Air rifles - PyramydAir.com

    No going through a gun dealer and no waiting period
    You can cast your own ammo no powder primers. no cases needed.

    Even dogs trained to look for guns will not find them because there is no powder residue.
    County police introduce gun-sniffing dogs - Washington Post

    Then you have misguided people like this that want gun stiffing dogs for malls, schools, and other gun free zones but would in the long run give the government a large pool of dogs for house to house searches .
    SignOn.org - Gun sniffing dogs!

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    The scary thing is, there are people that willingly ignore those facts, no matter what, and will excuse it away for eternity. I can’t understand how you can do that and lay any claim to reason and intellectual honesty.

    When I was a kid I worked on the piers in Brooklyn NY – the mob controlled the Unions (I was non-Union) that controlled the piers and put them, completely, and utterly, out of business. But, there was always that cadre of Union guys that had to PAY for their jobs, and I mean LITERALLY, or they would fall off the end of the pier by accident, that supported the Union, no matter what. I guess, vicariously, they thought they were “part of the team”…

    I actually posted the Alan Dershowitz challenge knowing full well that Dershowitz has argued that The Second Amendment was meant for The Militia, but he is also quoted as saying:

    “Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming that it’s not an individual right or that it’s too much of a safety hazard,” said Dershowitz, “don’t see the danger of the big picture.” He added, “They’re courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don’t like."

    I was pretty sure no one would know that, or if they did, would omit mentioning it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    That is what Obama claims. He also claims to have been the editor of the Harvard law review, although his university records have been sealed and no record of any law review articles that he might have worked on are available. He is also, along with his spouse, not eligible to practice law in Illinois. He records there are also sealed. I wonder why?

    To refer to him as an expert on Constitutional law in comparison with Alan Dershowitz, is the single silliest thing that I have read on this website since I joined.

    For a man that you consider to be knowledgable in the Constitution, he certainly knows little about the three main branches of government. I say this since he persists in turning his back on Congress and literally spews out an unbroken series of Executive Orders, which are cheap alternatives to debate and proper legislation.

    It's really fun to read your stuff, though. It gives insight into the liberal thought process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIBill View Post
    He also won a Nobel Peace Prize for ending a war that is still going on... Your point is what?
    Excuse me, please cite the exact reasons President Obama was awarded the Nobel prize.
    Wait...how about if I do it for you since your Google fu has been trumped by your anger and ideology.
    The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009
    The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

    Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

    Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.

    For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."

    Oslo, October 9, 2009
    Please at least pretend to pay attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Karl View Post
    Can you say affirmative action?

    Let's try a scientific, intellectually honest experiment - if Obama released his college records, and those records say he was a foreign national that received tax payer funded financial aid to pay for his schooling, is he legitimately The President, and would you still vote for him knowing that, if the election were tomorrow?

    I must say in advance, I am not sure I believe you could, or would, answer that truly honestly.
    Wait, if Rmney released his taxes and it turned out that he was from Planet Kolob...

    How about Bush release his, and his military records too.

    Give it a rest, birther.

    And please have your doc check into your delusions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Newman109 View Post
    That is what Obama claims. He also claims to have been the editor of the Harvard law review, although his university records have been sealed and no record of any law review articles that he might have worked on are available. He is also, along with his spouse, not eligible to practice law in Illinois. He records there are also sealed. I wonder why?

    To refer to him as an expert on Constitutional law in comparison with Alan Dershowitz, is the single silliest thing that I have read on this website since I joined.

    For a man that you consider to be knowledgable in the Constitution, he certainly knows little about the three main branches of government. I say this since he persists in turning his back on Congress and literally spews out an unbroken series of Executive Orders, which are cheap alternatives to debate and proper legislation.

    It's really fun to read your stuff, though. It gives insight into the liberal thought process.
    you too


    Why don't you look int what it means to have sealed records...

    Let's try the stink test...
    Given how utterly incompetent the left and the government is, how do you suppose that the tens of thousands of employees and students at Harvard and Chicago (where Obama taught Con Law) managed to maintain this massive conspiracy. Considering that Dershowitz endorsed Obama I wonder if the conspiracy might be even BIGGER than you fear. Better big a bigger hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIBill View Post
    I could have sworn that chemical weapons were banned... Did I get this wrong? NERVE GAS HAS NO LAWFUL PURPOSE!!! So no... I think we can take ownership of chemical weapons off the list of protected "arms" within the 2A.
    Sure Nerve gas does...it's for toppling governments.
    Quote Originally Posted by MIBill View Post
    Is this a request or an order? Sounds like your being a pushy to me. I can assure you that my Reps, State and Federal, know who I am.
    I already addressed how well registration has worked here in Michigan. You may want to take a look that Canada's registration as well. Last I heard they were looking at dismantling there system of registration because of the cost and the fact that it had lead to only ZERO arrests! Money well spent I would think.
    I see... I take nothing off the table and am willing to discuss EVERY option... But you don't LIKE the idea. YOU don't LIKE the idea so we should trample on the rights of people who have done NOTHING wrong? Very open minded of you!
    I'm sorry... It sounds as if you are giving orders again... Are you really that rude or do you just have issues witing clearly?
    I haven't sent a nickle to the NRA for anything on more than 20 years! WHERE DO YOU GET OFF ASSUMING ANYTHING ABOUT ME! How dare you! You know absolutely NOTHING about me I haven't told you and I NEVER said I am a member of OR support the NRA!
    Now that we have established that you wish to bring up the absurd and NOT discuss real solutions but rather would rather trample the rights of other because YOU "DON'T LIKE" the workable, obtainable and lawful solutions, I see no point in continuing any discussion with you.
    And yet I will be the close-minded one for tolerating your lack of concern for what could work.
    Lighten up.
    If, as you say, you want to find solutions, and if, as you say, you are known to your reps, then it is your civic duty to let them know you support solutions even in the face of the NRA.

    Yeah, I don't like the idea of kids growing up thinking a goon on every corner is good or normal...that's the flat truth.
    I think that is a larger threat to our civil freedoms than not being able to own an AR. It teaches a conformity to authority that is pretty scary...IMHO.
    Do you really want every kid in this nation thinking that a guard on every corner is what it take for them to be safe, and that if it bothers them they must be doing something wrong?

    Lets's focus on a problem instead of yelling.
    first
    How will universal background checks help if there is no enforcement provision?
    second
    How can universal background checks be performed without registration...either of the gun or the owner.

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    Don't look now, but you just proved my point. I don’t know what you think you are proving, but you haven't effected the slightest change in any Second Amendment supporter's opinion, or advanced any support for any kind of gun or magazine ban, unless you consider support from foreign nationals that do not have a vote in the matter, or Americans that already held your opinion, some kind of win? In fact, I believe you have boosted support for the Second Amendment and resistance to any further infringements than already exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick Karl View Post
    Let's try a scientific, intellectually honest experiment - if Obama released his college records, and those records say he was a foreign national that received tax payer funded financial aid to pay for his schooling, is he legitimately The President, and would you still vote for him knowing that, if the election were tomorrow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels244 View Post
    Wait, if Rmney released his taxes and it turned out that he was from Planet Kolob...
    I must say in advance, I am not sure I believe you could, or would, answer that truly honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Quick Karl, MIBill and XD341 as I see them

    The Three Stooges - Moe Slap Happy - YouTube
    My apologies to XD341 as I meant Newman109.

    So it should have been:

    Quick Karl, MIBill and Newman109 as I see them

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    Quote Originally Posted by MIBill View Post
    Of course I do.... However, you DON"T realize how differently the UK's "houses" function from the way our "House and Senate" works. Stupid is as stupid does!
    I'm AWAYS in doubt as to how much you know and what you "know" by surfing the internet.

    My point was that the USA isn't the only country with a "2 house" system. Not whether they were identical or not.

    As to "......... from the way our "House and Senate" works." then it's been a long time since it did seem to "work" unless fighting among each other is considered work.

    Gordon


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