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    With Scottl's (post #911) on Jamacia and _boris_' (posts #910&914) on USSR, both countries having an almost total ban on firearms it seems to me that we can not possibly stop crime and or mass shootings/murders through banning firearms.
    Education in schools, and elsewhere, needs to be changed. CalG post (#915)of the video of the defected KGB guy has some good points about what is happening (has happened at this point) and what can be done. Just when you watch it substitute "leftist" when he says "communist" since it is an older vid. The Video happens to mesh nicely with the list from the naked communist book, written by FBI agent Cleon Skousen. (post #843)

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    I think we need to start teaching anti terror in schools to take away the teen's glory seeking and pity me attitude..agree I don't what might work.

    Second it should be against the law to conduct terror activities/meetings in a church..
    lose church status and lock the door/tear it down.

    And Hanging for certain degree of terror planing and for terror acts.

    Hangings would be PG 13..public and the hanged person not Identified ..a terrosists will be, was hanged today
    ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????
    WTF? How many terror activities have involved a church except as the victims?

    PS: Not only do you single out churches but your "lock the door/tear it down" attitude shows a blatant disregard for the First Amendment. In the extremely hypothetical case where people planned terror activities in a church the guilty would be arrested and prosecuted, and other members who were innocent would then assume control and resume normal church activities.

    I hope you are not the anti-Christian radical that your post strongly hints of.

    PS: Your anonymous hanging scenario violates several other sections of the Bill of Rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    I think we need to start teaching anti terror in schools to take away the teen's glory seeking and pity me attitude..agree I don't what might work.

    Second it should be against the law to conduct terror activities/meetings in a church..
    lose church status and lock the door/tear it down.

    And Hanging for certain degree of terror planing and for terror acts.
    Those... both sound like terrible ideas.

    The anti-terror courses I’ve taken are about how terrorists conduct operations; going through their planning/preparation process to illustrate where you’ll see certain signs that something’s off (ie measuring an engagement area by counting paces, conducting rehearsals on location, etc.). How do you teach kids not to be terrorists? We have enough trouble teaching them to wrap your Willy and “don’t point at anything you don’t intend to shoot” in health classes. Now we’re going to have a class on “if your parents sound like terrorists, don’t listen to what they ask you to do.” I’m sure the 99% of parents who aren’t terrorists will thank you.

    It IS illegal to conduct terror activities anywhere. What are we going to do, require churches to submit agendas for all their meetings and have a government agency approve them?

    And last, as much as I agree on the hanging, these people are already willing to die for their beliefs. Hang them, and they’re a martyr. Put them in jail for life, and they have a pool of new candidates primes for indoctrination to their beliefs they can preach to.

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    Getting back on point to the main message of what can we do as a culture to combat gun violence; abolish public schools. They are cesspools that are dong nothing but promoting the idea of self-importance with no notion of the existence of a Supreme Being to Whom we must give an account at a great and dreadful judgment day. There is NO other answer and there is NO other solution. Government schools are pure evil. Stop handing your children over to be indoctrinated by God-hating socialists.

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    QT: {and they’re a martyr.} with the hanged not named ..just called a terrorists they don't get the glory they want. Their name and photo should not even be in the news..they take the name terrorist when they choose that path.

    Agree if everyone had/believed in God.. but some Muslims claim to believe in God and do such things..

    QT: [Those... both sound like terrible ideas. ] so just nickle and dime around and do nothing more than talk until only bad guys/gals have guns are gone and terror continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Miranda View Post
    Getting back on point to the main message of what can we do as a culture to combat gun violence; abolish public schools. ... Stop handing your children over to be indoctrinated by God-hating socialists.
    Agree that schools need a revamp but abolishing the schools will shift the problem elsewhere. The "God-hating socialists" just need to removed from anything to do with schools etc... Then we may see some improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiganbuck View Post
    QT: {and they’re a martyr.} with the hanged not named ..just called a terrorists they don't get the glory they want. Their name and photo should not even be in the news..they take the name terrorist when they choose that path.

    Agree if everyone had/believed in God.. but some Muslims claim to believe in God and do such things..

    QT: [Those... both sound like terrible ideas. ] so just nickle and dime around and do nothing more than talk until only bad guys/gals have guns are gone and terror continues.
    ALL Muslims believe in God. If they didn't, they wouldn't be Muslims, they would be atheists. How many atheist terrorists have you heard of?

    Much of the problem is people who believe so strongly in their version of God, and believe that God wants them to kill.

    With regard to keeping secret the names and photos of the executed, do we really want to be a nation that performs secret executions? We already have secret courts and secret laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Miranda View Post
    Getting back on point to the main message of what can we do as a culture to combat gun violence;
    Scottle did the right thing be breaking down "gun violence" into individual categories that could be addressed one at a time, divide and conquer style.

    By far, the most gang violence and murders comes from larger cities.



    I believe that those cities all have long Democratic control ... so there is your solution, nuke the cities or change politicians, but that would never fly. Neither would a crack down on gangs. It's much easier to victimize law abiding citizens than eliminating gangs that actually shoot back.

    In essence, there is nothing we can do to dramatically change "gun violence" until politicians regardless of affiliation are held responsible or we have smarter voters. Again, none of that is happening either.

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    Default Getting rid of guns stops massacres - or does it?

    Look what an "angry white male" just did in a school. Think the parents are glad guns weren't used?

    China school attack: Man kills eight elementary children on first day of term - World News - Mirror Online

    Multiple victim knife attacks are far more common than people think because the media doesn't fixate on them 24/7 the way they do with guns.

    May 12, 2010: Seven children and two adults were killed and 11 other persons wounded with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi.

    At least 19 people are dead after a knife attack outside of Tokyo, according to various reports


    Arson attacks have also caused mass casualties worldwide but they often aren't publicized because authorities fear copycats.

    Here's one that happened in the USA. 87 people killed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMasochism View Post
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    I'm currently in month 16 waiting for my tax stamp for the suppressor I bought last year for something I could make myself in a day with a manual lathe.
    Forgive the question but what is the practical use of a suppressor in civilian life?
    At the range you wear hearing protection, the reduction of recoil does not seem that much, so why?
    If you are going to shoot multiple times at wild game or a varmint perhaps you should not be hunting and certainly hiding your "flash" is of no help here.
    Is it worth the extra weight hanging out there?

    I like quiet and low recoil guns and IMO everyone should start out with first air and then a 22.
    If you load a random dead round into a handgun some people pull up and back with a dead click. WTF. Try to break that habit.
    I have just never understood the why behind this love.
    Bob

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    Civilians don't have guns in China, nor do most other country's when compared to the US. And where are you getting your fake news, it was 2 people killed outside Tokyo 16 injured.
    If you make up story's or pick and choose what to use to establish a base to compare against gun violence, everyone here is wasting their time.
    The NRA will have you believe they are protecting our 2nd Amendment.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Only one amendment in the history of the US has ever been repealed, you may know it as Prohibition. Nothing else. They used to be a useful tool to civilians but are now the largest marketing firm associated to all gun manufacturers. I love guns, I have many and have visited gun manufacturers across the country. Nobody is taking away your guns, but sales go up when a democrat gets in office, thats really funny. I live outside Chicago and go visit all the time, never worried about gang violence ever.

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    I stumbled into the stupid blog....some of this stuff is outright funny, despite the ignorance it shows of some individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john-san View Post
    I stumbled into the stupid blog....some of this stuff is outright funny, despite the ignorance it shows of some individuals.
    Do you mean like when some fool runs off at the mouth without knowing what he's talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by john-san View Post
    And where are you getting your fake news, it was 2 people killed outside Tokyo 16 injured.
    19 Killed in Stabbing Attack Near Tokyo - ABC News

    Japan knife attack: At least 19 dead - CNN

    Japan knife attack: stabbing at care centre leaves 19 dead | World news | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Forgive the question but what is the practical use of a suppressor in civilian life?
    Bob
    I had tubes in my ears multiple times as a kid as well as some other hearing/ear issues and ear plugs are painful if I wear them for more than an hour or so. Matches can last up to 6hrs, sometimes longer, and there is rarely a break to take them out and let my ears recover. If everyone has suppressors sometimes I still wear plugs, depends on who is there.

    I shoot multiple times when hunting, I am not ashamed of it. My record/fail is 5 rounds. Little bastard wouldn't take one. Last shot at 1188 yds was right between his paws. I let him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Forgive the question but what is the practical use of a suppressor in civilian life?
    At the range you wear hearing protection, the reduction of recoil does not seem that much, so why?
    If you are going to shoot multiple times at wild game or a varmint perhaps you should not be hunting and certainly hiding your "flash" is of no help here.
    Is it worth the extra weight hanging out there?

    I like quiet and low recoil guns and IMO everyone should start out with first air and then a 22.
    If you load a random dead round into a handgun some people pull up and back with a dead click. WTF. Try to break that habit.
    I have just never understood the why behind this love.
    Bob
    hearing protection mainly, Wish we had them when I was a kid as I probably wouldnt be hard of hearing like today.
    I always wore plugs and muffs when shooting my whole life.
    the only other reason for me anyway Is Because I legally can!

    for varmits they work nice due to the report is low and you can keep calling in other critters with out moving to another spot. we call it wack-m and stack-m or just a damn good day

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    Quote Originally Posted by john-san View Post
    Civilians don't have guns in China, nor do most other country's when compared to the US. And where are you getting your fake news, it was 2 people killed outside Tokyo 16 injured.
    Can you post a link to your story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    Can you post a link to your story?
    I'll do it.

    Japan stabbing: Two dead and 16 injured as knifeman attacks children in Kawasaki

    He was in such a hurry to rant against posters he didn't bother to check. There have been several knife attacks in Asia and several have high rates of fatality.

    This one was a terrorist attack involving multiple attackers.

    China knife attack leaves at least 33 dead and 143 wounded at Kunming train station | Daily Mail Online

    Meanwhile in the West some knife violence has become just part of the daily routine.

    London stabbings 2018 – latest knife crime statistics and attacks in Clapham, Crouch Hill, Hammersmith and Greenwich

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Forgive the question but what is the practical use of a suppressor in civilian life?
    At the range you wear hearing protection, the reduction of recoil does not seem that much, so why?
    If you are going to shoot multiple times at wild game or a varmint perhaps you should not be hunting and certainly hiding your "flash" is of no help here.
    Is it worth the extra weight hanging out there?

    I like quiet and low recoil guns and IMO everyone should start out with first air and then a 22.
    If you load a random dead round into a handgun some people pull up and back with a dead click. WTF. Try to break that habit.
    I have just never understood the why behind this love.
    Bob
    1. A few reasons, first would be the same reason as a muffler on a car, courtesy. You ever get pissed off at some jackass who is obviously just strait dumping their exhaust driving by your house? How many stories in your area of some developer buying land near a gun range then people move in and complain about the noise all day?

    Some guns/rounds are very loud even with hearing protection. Have you ever shot a .308 or 7.62x54R in an indoor range? Ear plugs with headphones still aren't enough, not to mention the shock wave.

    2. For hunting it also goes with courtesy. Many people in Texas rent out their properties for hunting. During peak season you may have hunters scattered all over an area. Imagine lining up a shot and your game gets spooked because someone somewhere else on another lot took a shot. Not to mention just preserving the peace for everyone else at 4AM. Also, the sound of your rifle itself will be suppressed but not the crack of the sonic boom from the round. If you miss your first shot the game will still get spooked. I don't know of many people who hunt with sub sonic ammunition.

    YouTube

    Hunting with a suppressor seems pretty normal for this gentleman.


    I just want to add on, gun owners are always forced into the defensive, we always have to justify why we NEED this or NEED that. I pose to you, why should I NOT be able to buy a simple device to make my fire arm a more pleasant shooting experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarbideBob View Post
    Forgive the question but what is the practical use of a suppressor in civilian life?
    At the range you wear hearing protection, the reduction of recoil does not seem that much, so why?
    If you are going to shoot multiple times at wild game or a varmint perhaps you should not be hunting and certainly hiding your "flash" is of no help here.
    Is it worth the extra weight hanging out there?

    I like quiet and low recoil guns and IMO everyone should start out with first air and then a 22.
    If you load a random dead round into a handgun some people pull up and back with a dead click. WTF. Try to break that habit.
    I have just never understood the why behind this love.
    Bob
    You've been given sever good reasons for wanting a noise suppressor.
    But the real question is why should anyone have to justify how they spend their own money or time?
    Nobody has asked why AL Gore has one of the largest carbon footprints on earth. And Ted Turner.
    Nobody has asked why anyone needs three bathrooms in their house. Or a swimming pool in Minnesota.
    No one cares if you buy a motorcycle that goes 150 mph.
    So nobody should care (especially the nosey government) what firearms and accessories I wish to own.

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