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    Amazing! I got to post #1000. That goes on my list of things that happened to me once, along with racing a crazy Mexican on a Honda riding my 1941 Indian at 70+ right through the middle of Ciudad Del Carmen while sucking on a lime, the fourth spin mode of the Coser-Oonk CO2 experimental airplane and the hour I got to spend with the Stasi or KGB, or who the hell they were when I took a 16mm camera with 400 ft. magazine and telephoto lens to the Magdeburg, East Germany airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    'well regulated'

    I can see common ground.
    I'm not suggesting that people of demonstrated criminal conduct, or those lacking in the mental faculties should have unfettered access to firearms. Anymore than we want them to have access to driver's licenses, checking accounts or communications devices.
    But if the citizen is in good standing, would you limit how many miles they can drive, how many dollars they can earn or how many words they can print? Of course not.
    By the same reasoning, you need not have any fear of a law abiding citizen that wishes to have a larger magazine capacity or rate of fire. That person is not a threat to you or society.
    In my state, a person as young as 12 may hunt with adult supervision. They may hunt alone at age 14 after passing a safety course. They may purchase a long gun at the age of 18, and a pistol at the age of 21.
    I would say that is “well regulated.” And so far, pretty good.
    But before I support a new law, I want to know how it will help solve the problem of criminal activity, and how it will infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.

    I had a succinct meme that demonstrated how socialists create a problem in order to get society to accept infringements on their rights to solve the problem.
    For what ever reason, it cannot be displayed, raising questions about our First Amendment Rights.
    You aren't as free as you think you are.

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    sarcastically.......

    I guess its OK to rob my neighbors, after all they're going to be defenseless. Oh we've got rights? No, you don't you let the bureaucrats take a little at a time, before you turn around they'll be telling you it's a hate crime to think for yourself, ask reasonable questions of your public servants, God forbid you can actually get them to do their jobs ( who remembers the federal employee that didn't go to work for 15 years? still got paid) , write on internet forums (wasn't approved content), you can't do that after all their smarter then the rest of us (Mazie Hirono Dem, the senator from Hawaii said so, in an interview), once they take everything spoons, knives, forks, guns ,cars, SUVs , trucks, straws, fishing weights, tobacco, except the plastic sporks , Alcohol, subsidized weed, everything will be a utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    Have you noticed the small "detail graphic" that has begun to appear on recently manufactured urinals? They are there as aim points, and have shown to be effective at reducing housekeeping expenses for public and commercial lavatories.

    ADOT and others should consider providing suitable aim points in remote areas to minimize traffic sign depreciation. Guys get bored!

    Of course, that sign is every bit as effective as the day it was installed, and will remain so until the sun bleaches the paint, some vehicle leaves the roadway and takes the sign with it, or the curve is taken out of the road for reasons of safety.

    I sort of like the bullet holes in road signs (not that i would EVER do such a thing) much like a dog lifting a leg.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9100 View Post
    Last I heard, Puerto Rico was part of the United States.

    Bill
    Take a look at their gun laws and see how they differ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mram10 View Post
    Great example. How is that knife ban working out?
    The ban on shooting roadside signs or the one on knives ? For about five minutes after the kindergarten thing, Beijing did consider banning knives. But they came to their senses quickly

    I can say one thing tho - the guy who did it is not on this planet any longer. I am not usually a friend of capital punishment but sometimes ... I do not think the death penalty would deter the school shooters, but at least it would remove them from society. A quick and ignominious hanging might cut back a little on the glamour.

    Quote Originally Posted by jermfab View Post
    Because the hardware was effectively equal there was merit to the whole well-regulated militia having potential to overthrow a tyrannical government. That ship has long sailed.
    Wrongo, me boyo. Look at Vietnam, where a poorly armed populace took on the mighty US Army and handed them a nice defeat. Look at how the poorly-armed Iraq and Afghan populations have taken on the mighty US Army and handed them a stalemate. We've been there, spending billions of dollars, for what, twenty years ? And have nothig to show for it ? The US military hasn't won a war against civilians in the last seventy-five years.

    Now imagine them in our own towns and countryside, faced with hundreds of thousands of armed guys who know their own neighborhoods intimately. No, you are 100% wrong. The civilians would annihilate the military.

    Whether US citizens actually have the balls to do that is another question, but this silly "the military would wipe the floor with you" is nonsense. History has shown us otherwise.

    Realize that while we were granted the right to free travel
    Libtard ...

    movie theaters being a technology the founding fathers could no more conceive of than a commercially available AR-15.
    Are you stupid or something ? There have been crowded theaters since before the Greeks. That was a bad claim, Bunky. William F Buckley would rip you a new liver on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob F. View Post
    This article seems to think there is a bit more to the mass shootings than meets the eye.
    I did not read the entire thing yet since it is a bit long but the last section discusses the shootings a bit.

    The CIA, Mossad and "Epstein Network” are Exploiting Mass Shootings
    seek professional help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Learning View Post
    I can see common ground.
    I'm not suggesting that people of demonstrated criminal conduct, or those lacking in the mental faculties should have unfettered access to firearms.

    And how do we figure that out?

    universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Learning View Post
    By the same reasoning, you need not have any fear of a law abiding citizen that wishes to have a larger magazine capacity or rate of fire. That person is not a threat to you or society.
    The same logic applies to machine guns cannons nuclear weapons


    We, as a society, have the right, nee, the responsibility, to decide, through careful consideration, hopefully with consensus, where the line between 'shall not be' and 'well regulated' falls.

    Most people do not wish to shoot other people, yet we do so more than any other industrialized nation.

    WE can do better

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    Most people do not wish to shoot other people, yet we do so more than any other industrialized nation.

    WE can do better
    And where would we rank without the epidemic of black on black violence fueled by the illegal drug trade?

    Black victims forgotten in national fog of gun violence | Newsday

    The gun grabbers keep trying to fool us by massively publicizing every rare instance of "angry white guys with guns" incident and then lumping them in with the MASSIVE number of shootings in inner cities to create deceptive statistics.

    News flash folks - you can't solve the problem of violence by criminal gangs with further restrictions against millions of law abiding citizens. There are already thousands of gun laws in place that were sold to us as the means to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals". They are poorly (often not at all) enforced against the people they were supposedly aimed at and then the poor results used as "proof" that more laws are needed.

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    QT: [ "angry white guys with guns" ]
    Most likely thee are just as many black shooters in drug wars and criminal shootings. but the news media and anti gun people like to single out one group one day , and another group the next day to be sure to get some "blame the other guy and blame the guns" attitude.

    Criminals with guns should be targeted first.
    Gun safety and shooting taught in schools would create gun respect, regard, and appreciation. This likely would increase the good guys/gals with guns and the bad guys would show more thought before pulling a piece.

    Schools should teach - "Cops will try to capture a shooter so that person can be hanged." ..Or in France have their head chopped off.

    If this guy was looking at hanging likely he would not killed a bunch of people.
    Norway Shooter Anders Breivik Smiles at 21 Year Prison Sentence - ABC News

    Now they have taken off his photo to show this poor killer some respect. poor guy, the other criminals might treat him bad if the were reminded he killed a bunch of people many just kids

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    blah blah blah blah blah

    fact free entertainment

    Why are you bringing up race, and then lying about numbers

    you are safer in gun limited Mass than any other populous state

    blah blah blah

    you clutch your pearls that you are not a racist, and then constantly cut around the edges, this time it is about black on black crime

    Well, I understand that you don't care about any 'others' that are killing each other, but I still do

    Go back to the beginning of this very thread to see what I had to say about mass shootings


    blah blah blah


    buy a point, please

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    They've also lied to us about the meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd Amendment.


    That's right, the traditional meaning meant "being in proper working order", not government regulation of an enumerated right that says "shall not be infringed".

    A militia, which was understood at the time to be the greater body of adult males, could not possibly remain "in proper working order" unless the people possessed the means for regular practice with the "arms" they had the right to "keep and bear". It is simply not possible to fully understand the Constitution without studying the writings of the time.

    In recent years it has been suggested that the Second Amendment protects the "collective" right of states to maintain militias, while it does not protect the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms. If anyone entertained this notion in the period during which the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were debated and ratified, it remains one of the most closely guarded secrets of the eighteenth century, for no known writing surviving from the period between 1787 and 1791 states such a thesis.
    -- Stephen P. Halbrook, "That Every Man Be Armed", 1984

    Militias, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. [...] To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.
    -- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment

    Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.
    -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers

    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
    -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers

    That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms...
    -- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789

    Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.
    -- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775

    "One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."
    -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmanuelGoldstein View Post
    The ban on shooting roadside signs or the one on knives ? For about five minutes after the kindergarten thing, Beijing did consider banning knives. But they came to their senses quickly

    I can say one thing tho - the guy who did it is not on this planet any longer. I am not usually a friend of capital punishment but sometimes ... I do not think the death penalty would deter the school shooters, but at least it would remove them from society. A quick and ignominious hanging might cut back a little on the glamour.


    Wrongo, me boyo. Look at Vietnam, where a poorly armed populace took on the mighty US Army and handed them a nice defeat. Look at how the poorly-armed Iraq and Afghan populations have taken on the mighty US Army and handed them a stalemate. We've been there, spending billions of dollars, for what, twenty years ? And have nothig to show for it ? The US military hasn't won a war against civilians in the last seventy-five years.

    Now imagine them in our own towns and countryside, faced with hundreds of thousands of armed guys who know their own neighborhoods intimately. No, you are 100% wrong. The civilians would annihilate the military.

    Whether US citizens actually have the balls to do that is another question, but this silly "the military would wipe the floor with you" is nonsense. History has shown us otherwise.


    Libtard ...


    Are you stupid or something ? There have been crowded theaters since before the Greeks. That was a bad claim, Bunky. William F Buckley would rip you a new liver on that one.
    ?comprehension reading much

    A MOVIE theater is different from a theater the 'ancient' greeks and romans had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim rozen View Post
    Liability insurance for gun owners and manufacturers, to pay medical costs to victims of angry white guys with guns?
    Is Jims blatant hatred and racism against whites ever going to be addressed?

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    Blah blah blah

    and a militia was for the common defense, not some guy polishing a pile of AK's in his basement

    2nd amendment absolutism is more likely to result in reconsideration of the 2nd amendment than enforcement of your expansive interpretation of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9100 View Post
    I agree that we need to revise and clarify the second amendment, but the convention to do that is going to make the civil rights movement look like a grade school fight.

    Bill
    I 100% disagree with any claim that we need to revise the second amendment. As for clarifying it, the true meaning is crystal clear when examined using the writings of the period as a guide. I have previously quoted just a tiny handful of the literally thousands of historical quotes affirming the individual right.

    Our age of "instant information" has made many people intellectually lazy despite the fact that not only much of Mr. Halbrook's and other scholar's modern analysis can be found on the internet, but so can the writings of the founders themselves. There is no better guide to the Constitution than the written thoughts of the men who not only wrote the document itself but then spent months "selling" it by writing to newspapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1974 View Post
    ?comprehension reading much

    A MOVIE theater is different from a theater the 'ancient' greeks and romans had.
    ONLY by virtue of the movie projector in the rear.

    In colonial times while it's true that acting troupes were not common (mostly due to common religious beliefs) there were all types of halls and meeting houses that were every bit as crowded as a movie theater today.

    Modern propaganda against the Constitution completely falls apart when compared against the known history and writings of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustafson View Post
    And how do we figure that out?

    universal background checks
    Which of the recent shooters illegally purchased a firearm without a background check?

    edited to add:

    From some relatively quick research, both the Dayton and El Paso shooters legally purchased their firearms completing a background check.

    So which shooters obtained their gun without a background check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    ONLY by virtue of the movie projector in the rear.

    In colonial times while it's true that acting troupes were not common (mostly due to common religious beliefs) there were all types of halls and meeting houses that were every bit as crowded as a movie theater today.
    Plovdiv, Bulgaria has a Roman theater that is still in use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMasochism View Post
    Is Jims blatant hatred and racism against whites ever going to be addressed?
    What else can you expect- he rides a BMW.

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